(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); This is something that honestly bothers me because, of all the things to choose to fight against, this makes so little sense.

Naturally, I'm talking about the anti-evolution movement which is being mocked and ridiculed by everyone with at least a high school education. It's been bothering me for a while but I wanted to put it in text because really I'd love an answer to some questions from at least one Creationist (and I know NGU has at least a couple of crazies so don't be shy). My question is simply this...

Why Evolution?

Of all the scientific theories to decide your religion is incompatible with, why this one? It makes so little sense. There are literally thousands of scientific theories, some of them, particularly when it comes to areas like quantum physics, that have little supporting evidence, or are entirely theoretical, supported by mathematical models only as they're effectively untestable with current technology. So why pick Evolution, one of the most studied, most well understood, most important modern scientific theory of the last 200 years. Evolution is the basis behind agriculture, animal breading, all forms of medical research, and modern sanitation. Without understanding the mechanisms of Evolution, our species would still have life expectancies in the 40's.

Now, I've come to a conclusion, but I don't understand the reasoning.

Creationists are arguing against Evolution when they actively know Evolution is a fact. Why? I'm honestly not sure...

Creationist tend towards the following actions:

First they will describe Evolution in an incorrect manner or completely change the subject all together. Asking how life began or asking for "evolution" to explain why the planets formed. This is obviously stupid, that's like asking me to tell you how Gravity explains the flavour of cheddar cheese. Gravity has sod all to do with cheese, just as Evolution has sod all to do with the planets forming or the beginning of life. The thing is, every time a Creationist makes this argument we tell them what Evolution actually is, so they already know their error. We don't need to tell them again. They're ACTIVELY ignoring our arguments and making up completely fake ones because they already know the memorised retorts for them.

Secondly, when asked to explain Creationism, or Intelligent Design, whichever name you want to use, they will always resort to the same bullshit reasoning. Usually using the universal constants, of some version of irreducible complexity as a justification for believing in this shit. Again, these arguments where refuted years ago, I can even take you to 5 year old YouTube videos of people refuting them. Even more insulting is the false dichotomy given. The implication is that, either they're right or everything "randomly got that way", which is bullshit. Creationists know that Evolution is not a mechanism based on chance, we've told them time and time again.

Thirdly the Creationist will argue that our evidence is faulty, asking for the "missing link", even though there hasn't been a "missing link" in the human ancestry for over 2 decades. They'll try to argue that carbon dating is faulty, that archaeology is flawed, or even try to claim certain fossils are fake. Again, once a Creationist makes these arguments, the reasonable person arguing with said Creationist will naturally show them reams of evidence, which the Creationist insists on ignoring.

Lastly the Creationist will usually argue against "morality" which is basically insinuating that I am a raving monster ready to be set free. It's sick emotional pleading and a desperate attempt the scapegote this issue.

So... what the hell is it about Evolution that pisses off the Creationists so much? What possible reason do they have to purposely and continuously lie? I just don't understand... what possible benefit could Creationists have for a world filled by idiots, no medical research and no tech advancement? It just seems so counter-intuitive.

Anyone who can give me an answer, please do... oh and don't try to disprove Evolution, you're not good enough for that, any of you. So...

Why???

No we shouldn't, not when evolution is so thoroughly understood and proven now that we can call it a fact alongside gravity.

In-case you don't understand, what you just said was as stupid as saying "errr yeah I don't believe in gravity and I think we should be open to other ideas too like magic or pixies underneath the earth holding it up with something akin to magic"... see my point?

Being open minded is not the same as being willing to accept any old bullshit. I am open minded. I am perfectly willing to accept that evolution could be wrong, IF someone could produce evidence that proves that it is, but they don't. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, the evidence for "creationism" is non-existent. There are literally thousands of scientific papers published on evolution every year.

The Mice DNA thing doesn't matter really, it's incidental. What matters is evolution is the single most well understood supported scientific theory in the world. It has more evidence than any other theory in modern science and is better understood than any other theory in modern science. If you're unfamiliar with it, read up on the principals of evolution, it's surprisingly complex and elegant, that said, it only explains how simple single cell organisms slowly changed to become complex organisms, animals and eventually us. It doesn't explain the origin of life or anything else.

The reason I'm so easily offended by this is Creationists either have to be one of three things, profoundly stupid, extremely misinformed to the point of brainwashed, or complete liars; and the most common is the last. Most creationists will purposely make out as though they're stupid when they're really lying, and I really don't get why they do this. It's almost as though creationism is one massive trolling effort.

So far every post I've ever read from you is exactly how I feel about things, but you describe them much better than I ever could. I learn more from your posts every day than I do at school lmao

It one question which has been asked from the start of life on earth.
Where did we come from and how did we get here?

That question is part of the heart of what religion is trying to find the answer to these questions. Reason why it is attacked it because it another way of answering that question.

Evolution quite a modern way of answering that question where as religion used different methods to answer it.
However these methods no longer cut it so religion has seen the power of proof which science tries to provide and guesses the rest.
Of course evolution is a theory and sadly nature not all things fit the rule of thumb. But far more then most things which is why it expected as right.

My point is both science and religion are trying to answer the same questions. No wonder both try to disprove each other. Of course science aim is not to disprove religion but in the process of proving things it has.

Irony is without religion we would not have science to begin with

Hope that makes sense

Interesting point, and while I can agree when it comes to a broader description, that science and religion are often opposed. With evolution this is not to case.

I've ready the Bible and at no point does it state the age of the earth or how live became complex, this is something assumed based on other pieces of scripture. In fact all it states is that God created everything in six "something" and rested on the seventh, and that something can be translated to be days, ages or aeons. It also doesn't specifically say how everything was made, it could be a poetic line when they say "God made Adam from dirt". Perhaps this is an allegory of Adam evolving from single cell organisms in the dirt over millions of years (after all, how long is an "age" to God).

Evolution is the theory of how complex life formed from single cell life, and how lifeforms over generations adapts to the world around it. It doesn't try to explain where life came from, that's Abiogenesis, or how the universe began, that's not even the same branch of science, that's Cosmology. Of all the theories in science to pick, this is one that is so easily worked into religion without causing much fuss, so why would religious people oppose it. That's what I don't understand. Why oppose something that doesn't actively disagree with or even comment on your faiths major tenets, yet Creationists still do.

Religion has found it very hard finding the answers to the questions being asked.
The answers it used before are being questioned pushing it to come up with new answers.
Along with the fact religion is no longer a major part of life. Religion has found it very hard to keep it self relevant why it tries to question what science is saying.
Loads of people who support religion who work within the science community they doubt some of the theories science has come up with.
Why because it goes against there faith.

On the subject why evolution appears to be the center that simple.
It challenges the core of many religions and was one of the first theories to do so along with being widely accepted.
Religions at the end of the day are run by people who wish to keep there power. Along with adding many things into religion which are open to how you wish to see them.
Reason why there a high amount of moderate supporters believe science helps them understand god and the world.
Some of the more hardline supporters see it as under minding the faith. Note that most of the hardline supporters run things but times are changing.

Science and religion has a long history together. Where supporters of science are hunted down by the church.

Creationist always associate with religion and religion always helps to control what people thinks.
Evolution is trying to disapprove religion which mean it will make the public more difficult to control.

I think Creationists and Evolution are not exclusive. For example: Superior being can create first life form and the first life form transform to human being over time.

I disagree avidly, Evolution isn't trying to do anything, Evolution has nothing to do with religion, it's just the scientific explanation for the complexity and variety of life on earth and the method by which life adapts, nothing more. Evolution has nothing to say on the subject or religion, doesn't mention nor oppose God, and is entirely compatible with every mainstream religion today. This is why I find it so odd that the religious oppose it so fervently.


Precisely, and while I disagree with the world-view, this seems like a much more reasonable way of maintaining faith with the evidence as it is. It makes sense for a religious person to assume God simply used Evolution as part of his plan, after all, such an elegant, self regulating, complex system is exactly the kind of thing that our brains would not be able to independently design, it would take a truly abstract mind to plan Evolution, and surely most religious people would agree God has an abstract mind. I wonder why the religious don't simply take this view, it's surely much easier than arguing against Evolution when they know it's right, provably so.

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While your explanation is well thought out and probably correct in the eyes of the Creationists, that they feel Evolution is challenging their faith and they must fight back to remain relevant, and to keep control one point I'm not sure about.


Really? Does it? The core of many religions is that we don't adapt to our surrounding over generations eventually mutating enough that we become different species, and this is the method by which the vast variety of life has formed. I thought the core of modern religions was about faith, the test of life, divine judgement and the will of God. Why would a theory about the diversity of life challenge this? Now, I've no doubt you're right, many Creationists feel Evolution challenges their faith, but why? how? I don't see where religion and evolution clashes, I really don't.

I disagree with you that evolution doesn't do anything. It initiates people to think or question about their faith/beliefs. (This is good but that's not always what religions want.)
In the past (or even now), most religions claims that human being are created from their god. They read "God made Adam from dirt" as "GOD made HUMAN from dirt".

Evolution is disapproving religion by saying "human being" is not made from their god and what they believe is fault. (Please understand that God is usually almighty or perfect and god can not be wrong)