(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); so if you pause for like 5 seconds behind a wall or door etc, thats camping?

like you get get clout in black ops if you run around in the open runnin and gunnin? using no tactics to protect your life like you would in real life?

like anytime somebody gets shot by somebody that is standing or sitting still...they scream CAMPER! over the bluetooth airwaves

i just dont see how one can keep their K/D ratio low if they run all wild out in the open

Camping has become an subjective term and a scapegoat often. I will give my thoughts on what IS and IS NOT camping.

Camping:

Sitting in a room 5+ seconds waiting on enemies to come in.
Laying prone in a doorway.
ADSing out an opening 5+ seconds especially with Target Finder .

NOT camping:
Sniping in traditional/realistic sense (although annoying)
Defending B flag(in a close domination game)

There rest is in a subjective gray area that may seem like camping to enemy but isn't in reality:

Waiting in a room for specific enemy for 2-3 seconds through aid of UAV, VSAT, a teammate alerting you to watch out, a death skull, seeing friendly arrow disappear near you OR the enemy fired unsilenced weapon or threw a nade thus alerting you he was coming.

There is a fine line between those annoying bastards sitting in a room just waiting for someone to run by. However, every time someone has jump on enemy doesn't mean he is camping.

Camping successfully in BO2 is more difficult than any other COD really, it's not impossible but it's harder to camp for the highest streak in BO2 than it is to camp for highest streak in MW3 or even BO1 lol. Rushing and objective play is easiet way.

Another issue is a lot of people think just running around with no strategy, reaction time, or map knowledge just pressing buttons is rushing. Playing solo can really make campers hard to defeat I will say though.

Pretty much anything but killing someone you meet while running out in the open is considered camping if your opponent gets pissed.

I've had people sending me hate mail calling me camper after I killed them once at the beginning of a game with a target finder (first blood kill, shooting from a window).

Besides, camping is a legit strategy and it makes a lot more sense than those "pros" who run around quickscoping or trickshotting, it is also certainly better than dropshotting (dropping to the ground under fire is smart, but in this game you can do so while having unbelievable accuracy) and especially better than bunny hopping like idiots.

I find it amusing that pretty much everytime I camp, those who complain the most spend the whole game trying to kill me dropshotting and bunny hopping.. it doesn't work and they get mad.

Camping in this game is much better and more rewarding than in most other COD games: due to map layout and customizable loadouts you can pretty much build balanced classes that allow you to shoot from a distance, defend yourself in close quarter combat (when people come to get you out of your camping area), cover your ass with proximity triggered gadgets (mines, shock charges), survive nades/C4s..
It is certainly much better than in the other CODs where camping was most often boring cause you would sit behind a door and wait for ever.. boring.

It is completely legit and a valid strategy.

Also, unless we consider objectve based games (where campers can hurt your team by not helping with the objectve), I'll take even a poor camper in my team over one of those idiots that can't play at all, run all over the map and end up going 5-35 in TDM or KC.
Not to mention tubers, trickshotters, knifers etc who always end up in the negative.

Oh one last thing, I don't see why people bitch about campers when this game gives you all the tools you need to get rid of any camper in any map: stuff like engineer, EMPs, FMJ and so on.
I know it because smart opponents make it much harder for me to camp and also everytime there's good campers in the other team I'll switch to one of my anti-camper classes to kill them.
Which is something you often have to do yourself because too many random team mates are too stupid to actually switch to a better class and will keep going at the campers the wrong way, dying over and over.

you could be rushing down the middle of the map and get a kill from a dog and still get called a camper

The only people that complain about campers are usually the ones not doing so well in the match. I love people who camp, I get all my kills off them. I run from spot to spot killing a camper, taking his spot for a minute then on to the next

There really is a fine line between camping and not camping. Majority of the time I get called a camper because I watch over two choke points, thus having an advantage over the enemy team. But yet it is not like I am sitting in a corner for the whole game waiting for people to walk by, or rotating corners. Which I have seen a lot of.

I'm going to summarize what Porter pretty much said. Anything wrong with the game or something that isn't kosher with the majority of the players is used as a scapegoat for their inability of countering it. In all honesty camping has never been too good of a strategy because most campers aren't very observant. If someone wants you killed, by God they will kill you no matter the circumstances(or at least try to kill you). And on the other hand, camping can actually be a great strategy when it's down to the wire and you have to ensure the win in a close match, I call it hardball defense.

I just find it funny when you know someone is there because of a grenade indicator, someone calling them out or because you have a UAV up and you wait about three seconds for them to walk in. The first thing out of their mouth is... "YOU GOD DAMN CAMPER!" Someone ought to make a video talking about actually camping and playing defensively and smart. That's my two cents on camping but I'm sure good players abroad will agree.

I see camping as someone who is sat in a corner with ADS or laying prone. If your watching a particular choke point or a high traffic area thats not camping because your playing strategically so long as your moving. However if your looking out a window or laying prone in a building waiting for an easy kill thats not playing defensive.

I do this after 3 kills going for bloodythirsty, I'll hide like a little bitch for that streak lol.

I like to "camp" buildings... like on Plaza take one of the buildings and put shock charge by stairs and the door below, that way I know where ppl are and do a circuit around the building killin ppl as they come near

At the end of the day some people are better at dealing with campers than others. Camping by itself won't make someone a better player so although it clearly takes more skill to rush, rushing in itself doesn't mean skill. Contrary to what we think, the MAJORITY of players rush and/run around pressing buttons. So going 10-23 means you had a bad game usually regardless of if you were "rushing" or not. Going 30-3 usually means a good game and whether you camped or not doesn't take away what you did, it obviously just cheapens it. I personally think the only way to consistently do well is to rush and at the least being aggressive. Meaning rushing but if you have to try and hold a B flag or you see the enemy is spawning in an area, you patiently take them out. If you're an aggressive player who likes to dominate and win you probably wouldn't be camping anyway. It's easier to rush for K9 unit on Black Ops 2 than it is to camp for Attack Dogs on Black Ops 1.

So camping is really going to hurt you if that's all you do anyway because unless you're playing noobs, there are too many things that will take you out. Speaking of noobs I also notice that a few of the big Youtubers rush but I only see them playing noobs. Which begs the question:

Is rushing against absolute noobs any better than camping or playing defensive against good players? It's almost like bragging about whooping ass on Madden online with the Cleveland Browns yet you purposely play people with bad records.



Well what you describe is pretty much camping with not much of a gray area. Not sure how you're saying camping is somehow not as egregious as drop shots especially seeing as how dropshots in BO2 is nerfed compared to previous COD games. If you drop shot in BO2 you pretty much have to still be accurate and you can't actually turn/spin in any direction. And "pros" don't go around trick shotting or quick scoping, only trolls and people looking for montage clips do those things. A legit sniper knows how to snipe in all facets, they wouldn't be solely trying to do trick shots or certainly wouldn't be those annoying fucks using semi auto snipers like the SVU just spraying...

I personally think camping is overused although what you described is pretty much what camping is. Thing is, if you have a competent player/rusher on the other team they usually know how to curtail some of that. Meaning they wouldn't constantly run the same way getting killed over and over thinking that raging and screaming about you camping actually does anything compared to flanking, using nades, C4, a streak, or just avoiding you til you realize no one is coming.

At the end of the day some people are better at dealing with campers than others. Camping by itself won't make someone a better player so although it clearly takes more skill to rush, rushing in itself doesn't mean skill. Contrary to what we think, the MAJORITY of players rush and/run around pressing buttons. So going 10-23 means you had a bad game usually regardless of if you were "rushing" or not. Going 30-3 usually means a good game and whether you camped or not doesn't take away what you did, it obviously just cheapens it. I personally think the only way to consistently do well is to rush and at the least being aggressive. Meaning rushing but if you have to try and hold a B flag or you see the enemy is spawning in an area, you patiently take them out. If you're an aggressive player who likes to dominate and win you probably wouldn't be camping anyway. It's easier to rush for K9 unit on Black Ops 2 than it is to camp for Attack Dogs on Black Ops 1.

So camping is really going to hurt you if that's all you do anyway because unless you're playing noobs, there are too many things that will take you out. Speaking of noobs I also notice that a few of the big Youtubers rush but I only see them playing noobs. Which begs the question:

Is rushing against absolute noobs any better than camping or playing defensive against good players?



Shock charges are about as campy as it gets. However, I run Tac Mask on 80% of my classes and it's very rewarding to run through a shock charge and kill whoever was trying to wait on that hitmarker.

You're right, what I meant is some people will call you camper before you even start camping - first blood kills actually occur a few seconds after a match has started, so killing even from a window and even with a target finder then doesn't necessarily mean your camping.
Same as when people walk on a mine anywhere and shout fucking camper!

That being said, and given that pure camping is in my opinion a nono in objective based games, cause you hurt the team.. camping in TDM and KC is a legit strategy if you askme.
But then again, there's a difference between camping around a corner getting 4 kills in a whole match or camping smart spots where you have clear line of sight from one or two windows in high traffic areas and can also rack up kills when people come to take you out from close range.

For example, the roofs in Plaza.. pretty much any house except the kebab shop in Standoff, the upper floors in Hijacked and so on.
When I camp I hardly ever get less than 20 kills in a match (not too bad), usually 30+ (my record is 85-4).
I don't hurt my team and I have fun.

And like you said, skilled players will take you out of a camping spot especially if they team up.

But most of the people cursing and raging are too stupid to realize it's actually easy to make a camper's life miserable if you use a class with stuff like Engineer (or tac mask, flakjacket), EMP nades, FMJs etc to go get them.
They will keep coming back exactly the same way they did before, die on the claymore or get shot in the face, yell, rinse and repeat..

It's actually their fault because this game gives you all the tools to easily counter campers in any map, any place.

About bunny hopping and dropping.. while dropping is a real life strategy in some situations, it looks ridiculous when abused in my opinion.
It's perfectly fine and surely legit though, and I surely don't complain (besides, I usually kill droppers no problem).
Bunny hopping on the other hand is by no means cheating of course, but it looks stupid, not to mention that COD soldiers can barely run for 20 meters or so and I wonder how they manage to jump like basketball players, but whatever.
Then again it is legit so I surely don't complain, but I find it funny that some people think it's perfectly normal to run around hopping like kangaroos in "war" yet it's a sin to hold an easily defendable position