Post: Political Affiliation
06-24-2010, 04:23 AM #1
NoMooreMercy
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(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); I see plenty of religious debates, but no political debates! So what political affiliation are you a part of and what party are you registered/plan to register with? And how do you think whatever nation you're a citizen of can be changed positively by your political ideals?

Liberal? Conservative? Libertarian? Authoritarian? Socialist? Capitalist? Communist? Fascist?

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[s]But beware, it's not exact. According to the quiz, I'm a moderate-Libertarian Socialist but in reality, I recognize myself as a Libertarian Communist. I plan to register with the You must login or register to view this content..[/s]

EDIT: I've been reading a lot this summer, I mean A LOT, and I've decided to drop Marxism as my primary political belief. I realize not everyone is like me, a "dictatorship of the people" just isn't possible. Anyone with that much power will ultimately abuse it (For example, Joseph Stalin of the Soviet Union or Pol Pot of ...the short-lived Democratic Kampuchea) and cause mass-human rights violations within the nation. Authoritarian Communism may work at first (Vladimir Lenin of the Soviet Union or Fidel Castro of Cuba for example), but in the long run these nations will soon have to let up on various restrictions and allow, to some degree, private competition. Every Communist nation on Earth today has reverted to Authoritarian Socialism or Command Capitalism. ... See MoreI was a Libertarian Communist, but I just realize this vision of a perfect world just isn't real with that much power going to a dictator. In Communism, we were supposed to overthrow the machine, not duplicate and repeat. And that is why, today, I declare myself a Libertarian Socialist. Private competition must exist to some degree, to achieve the closest possible system to a Utopia, everyone must be equal and the only way to achieve that in my mind now is through Libertarian Socialism.

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The United States has been a starkly capitalist nation for too long, the nation's infrastructure is falling down around us, and the government isn't doing shit about it. Especially when we're in a time of need, we need jobs and we need them now. I believe if the government were to make jobs, a MASSIVE public works project (something akin to FDR's Public Works Administration; part of the bigger New Deal plan), we could provide our citizens with jobs, and put money back into the system while re-building our nation from the ground up. Things always get worse before they get better, but on the path the United States is now... we're in for a heap of trouble. The Democrats and Republicans continue to just bitch back and forth, rather than actually work together to get something done and put our nation back on the right path.
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06-25-2010, 02:50 AM #11
NoMooreMercy
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Originally posted by another user
Then get the **** out of America. We were founded upon captitalsm, not communism. Go to Russia which was funded on communism.

America was founded on democracy and the will of the people. The country has since shifted to the will of the big business and the wants of the bureaucracy. I really can't take someone seriously with this sort of attitude. Good day.
06-25-2010, 04:23 AM #12
H₂O
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Originally posted by NoMooreMercy View Post
America was founded on democracy and the will of the people. The country has since shifted to the will of the big business and the wants of the bureaucracy. I really can't take someone seriously with this sort of attitude. Good day.


What kind of economic/government classes have you taken? Take some, then debate with me.
06-27-2010, 09:34 PM #13
noone12
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One thing's for sure--I'm very, very far right. That has never truly changed. However, I fluctuate on the scale of authoritarianism vs. libertarianism.

On some issues--especially foreign ones--I'm fascist (all the way right and all the way authoritarian). However, with domestic isues, I'm generally a libertarian (all the way right and all the way libertarian).

I believe that, within the US, people should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't physically, negatively impact the welfare of others. However, the sole goal of foreign affairs is to achieve the interests of the United States, and those goals should be met through any means possible. In that regard, I'm not an isolationist like many other libertarians.
06-29-2010, 07:03 PM #14
NoMooreMercy
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Originally posted by noone12 View Post
One thing's for sure--I'm very, very far right. That has never truly changed. However, I fluctuate on the scale of authoritarianism vs. libertarianism.

On some issues--especially foreign ones--I'm fascist (all the way right and all the way authoritarian). However, with domestic isues, I'm generally a libertarian (all the way right and all the way libertarian).

I believe that, within the US, people should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't physically, negatively impact the welfare of others. However, the sole goal of foreign affairs is to achieve the interests of the United States, and those goals should be met through any means possible. In that regard, I'm not an isolationist like many other libertarians.

Well what do you typically suggest happen when a nation's foreign interests conflict with the United States interests? Take that political compass quiz btw, I'm interested to see your results.

EDIT: I've recently changed my political affiliation, edited the original post to reflect my new political beliefs.
06-30-2010, 04:53 AM #15
noone12
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Originally posted by NoMooreMercy View Post
Well what do you typically suggest happen when a nation's foreign interests conflict with the United States interests? Take that political compass quiz btw, I'm interested to see your results.

EDIT: I've recently changed my political affiliation, edited the original post to reflect my new political beliefs.

The nation's interests in foreign affairs trump the nation's domestic policies. I've taken the Political Compass quiz before; I'm at about where Thatcher is but further right.
06-30-2010, 02:01 PM #16
itzbigant91
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Independence Party of America.

i took one of those political-like compas tests to see whether i was more of a democrat or republican and i was 2 points towards republican.

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06-30-2010, 06:32 PM #17
noone12
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Originally posted by NoMooreMercy View Post
America was founded on democracy and the will of the people.

I'm going to hope into this debate if you don't mind. Well, I suppose I will either way.

Anyways, please reflect on what you have said. The Founding Fathers hated democracy. The American Revolution was not some kind of democratic revolution, it was authoritarian. Shifting from one ruler to another because the Founding Fathers saw benefit through doing such. If you objectively look at the Founding Fathers, it's clear that they supported libertarianism in order to maximize their profits. Not de facto equality, but de jure equality. They didn't want the tyranny of the majority to infringe on the rights of others (which democracy allows).
06-30-2010, 11:32 PM #18
NoMooreMercy
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Originally posted by noone12 View Post
The nation's interests in foreign affairs trump the nation's domestic policies. I've taken the Political Compass quiz before; I'm at about where Thatcher is but further right.

I'm talking about our relations with other nation's and their foreign interests, how would you react if our nation's foreign interests conflicted with another nation's foreign interests; especially a rising superpower such as China or the Russian Federation.
Originally posted by itzbigant91 View Post
Independence Party of America

What are their beliefs? I'm not familiar with the party, I figure they're a moderate-right Libertarian party?
Originally posted by noone12 View Post
I'm going to hope into this debate if you don't mind. Well, I suppose I will either way.

Anyways, please reflect on what you have said. The Founding Fathers hated democracy. The American Revolution was not some kind of democratic revolution, it was authoritarian. Shifting from one ruler to another because the Founding Fathers saw benefit through doing such. If you objectively look at the Founding Fathers, it's clear that they supported libertarianism in order to maximize their profits. Not de facto equality, but de jure equality. They didn't want the tyranny of the majority to infringe on the rights of others (which democracy allows).

It was still more democratic than the previous government in which they were under though.
07-01-2010, 01:26 AM #19
noone12
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Originally posted by NoMooreMercy View Post
I'm talking about our relations with other nation's and their foreign interests, how would you react if our nation's foreign interests conflicted with another nation's foreign interests; especially a rising superpower such as China or the Russian Federation.

That would depend on the circumstance, but if dire enough, probably war.

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