Post: Kaf's Oneironaut Thread (Lucid Dreaming Info, Tips, Advice)
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01-21-2012, 03:15 AM
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ARIISSEK
:nyan: Kaffy :nyan:
A "Oneironaut" is an explorer of the dream space.
In this thread I will attempt to guide you in the right direction towards your first (Or additional) Lucid Dreams. I will add more detail to each of
the pages / subtopics soon as I am currently tired as anything :fa:
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[multipage=Getting Started]
LESSON 1: You can't just dive into lucid dreaming and expect to get one the first night.
A few lucky people have the ability to just wind up in lucid dreams. This is more common in children, but not everyone outgrows it.
Now that that's clear, here come the basics:
1) Dream Journals.
Dream journals are almost universally helpful. They are exactly what they sound like, and have an immense impact on your
lucid dreaming abilities. When recording in a Dream Journal, take a moment before moving to "feel" your dream. Focus on the parts you found significant
as well as the details.
Examples of common RCs:
[multipage=Supplements]
LESSON 2: It's not all about technique.
NOTE: Supplements and foods are (most of the time) NOT a placebo effect. While everyone's experiences will vary, they impact your body or brain in some way.
I'm including supplements before techniques because I find they are extremely helpful, and it's all about the buildup of knowledge.
Also, supplements will often enhance your dreams, regardless of whether or not you have a lucid dream. You may not realize until you
wake up, but they bring on a sort of "Vividness" and can make them fairly bizarre.
Do not use supplements as a crutch!
My favourites:
*I am not a medical doctor. Taking any form of medicine, herb, etc., can be dangerous. Based off my observations and research only.
Galantamine
Choline
Vitamin-B Family
Melatonin
Tryptophan
I'll give you a brief rundown of how much I personally take of each, and when to take them
GALANTAMINE
Only really useful for WBTB. You can also benefit if suffering from REM deprivation or taking a REM-Booster.
I take 8 - 40 mg. Should certainly not be taken in large doses for a long period of time.
CHOLINE
Works well with Galantamine for WBTB.
I take 250-600MG of this along with the galantamine.
VITAMIN-B FAMILY (B-6 or 12 in particular)
Increases vividness.
Take immediately before bed or a WBTB. It acts quick, but lasts through the night and stays in your system awhile.
I take up to 600mg of B-6 a night sometimes, however the recommended dose for LDs would have an upper limit of 200mg, and not every night.
MELATONIN
Regulates normal sleep schedule. Helps put you to sleep for a WBTB as Galantamine and Choline can be fairly... Awakening.
10 Mg should do the trick if taken after waking up for a WBTB.
Taking adverse amounts can cause nightmares.
Tryptophan
Increases Vividness, Causes REM-Rebound. Take before going to sleep. Causes REM-Rebound in later stages
of sleep, ideal for WBTB
.
I take 300mg, reccomend 1-200.
This was written to give you a brief idea of some supplements you can use. Look up more information to get a better understanding of any you are particularly interested in.
[multipage=Techniques]
Techniques Page!
Obviously a fairly critical part to inducing lucid dreaming, are the methods in which you do so.
On this page I will give you the method, the best general way to go about that method, why it (should) work, and tips for success.
I will try to add methods as fast as I can
the pages / subtopics soon as I am currently tired as anything :fa:
While none of us are the first to have discovered this or make a thread for it, feel free to take a moment to visit:
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[multipage=Getting Started]
LESSON 1: You can't just dive into lucid dreaming and expect to get one the first night.
A few lucky people have the ability to just wind up in lucid dreams. This is more common in children, but not everyone outgrows it.
Now that that's clear, here come the basics:
1) Dream Journals.
Dream journals are almost universally helpful. They are exactly what they sound like, and have an immense impact on your
lucid dreaming abilities. When recording in a Dream Journal, take a moment before moving to "feel" your dream. Focus on the parts you found significant
as well as the details.
Things to jot down:
[*=left]Where the dream began (Go as far back as you can)
[*=left]Who was there, as well as how they looked, and what 'odd' pieces of clothing they are wearing
[*=left]What you did and what happened to you
[*=left]Feelings. Yah, interpret the frigg out of it.
Any given recording should be no less than half a page unless the dream ended suddenly. If it did, record why.
2) Dream Signs
Most people have some sort of dream sign. You may not realise it, because it may be so seemingly insignificant as a cloud shaped like an apple.
Dream signs are a sort of "Trigger" to let you know that you are dreaming. You should question things, always ask if things are in the right place.
Getting to know your dream sign is extremely important to many induction techniques, which is why you need to be so detailed in your dream journal.
3) Reality Checks
Reality checks are something that give your dream a little push, and strengthen the knowledge that you are dreaming.
I personally do not believe they are viable as an induction technique, most people who have regular LD's use them for the purpose above.
2) Dream Signs
Most people have some sort of dream sign. You may not realise it, because it may be so seemingly insignificant as a cloud shaped like an apple.
Dream signs are a sort of "Trigger" to let you know that you are dreaming. You should question things, always ask if things are in the right place.
Getting to know your dream sign is extremely important to many induction techniques, which is why you need to be so detailed in your dream journal.
3) Reality Checks
Reality checks are something that give your dream a little push, and strengthen the knowledge that you are dreaming.
I personally do not believe they are viable as an induction technique, most people who have regular LD's use them for the purpose above.
Examples of common RCs:
[*=left]Hands - Your hands typically look 'off' in your dreams. You may have more or less fingers that appear or disappear as you look at them, or they may be extremely long.
[*=left]Time - Clocks don't always read the same time twice as the dream world is EXTREMELY visual. For different individuals, only a certain type may work (Analog / Digital). Look at a clock, remember the time, look away for 15 seconds, look back. This also works for books.
[*=left]Breathing - Very simple. Plug your nose, close your mouth, and attempt to breathe through your nose. If you can, you're likely dreaming, if not, don't be disheartened.
See the next tab for more Reality Checks!
[multipage=Reality Checks]
1) Hands
What to do: Whenever you think about it, take a look at your hands. You have extra fingers or just have four. They may also be disproportional.
2) Time
What to do: Make it a habit so that whenever you look at a clock, you memorize the time, look away, and then look back at it a few seconds later. If it doesn't match up within a minute or two, you may be dreaming.
3) Mirrors
What to do: Always be sure to thoroughly inspect yourself in the mirror. In waking life, you tend to do this on autopilot without realizing it, so it's the same in your dream. It may seem like a carnival mirror, or you may
be semi-transparent without noticing.
4) Lights
What to do: To reaffirm a dream state, flicker the lights. It will rarely actually affect anything, and the appropriate light may not even be in the room/corridor!
[multipage=Reality Checks]
A good reality check is not planned. They should be at least somewhat spontaneous, and always act on them quickly, before your mind has a chance to "prepare" to conform to your expectaions.
1) Hands
What to do: Whenever you think about it, take a look at your hands. You have extra fingers or just have four. They may also be disproportional.
2) Time
What to do: Make it a habit so that whenever you look at a clock, you memorize the time, look away, and then look back at it a few seconds later. If it doesn't match up within a minute or two, you may be dreaming.
3) Mirrors
What to do: Always be sure to thoroughly inspect yourself in the mirror. In waking life, you tend to do this on autopilot without realizing it, so it's the same in your dream. It may seem like a carnival mirror, or you may
be semi-transparent without noticing.
4) Lights
What to do: To reaffirm a dream state, flicker the lights. It will rarely actually affect anything, and the appropriate light may not even be in the room/corridor!
[multipage=Supplements]
LESSON 2: It's not all about technique.
NOTE: Supplements and foods are (most of the time) NOT a placebo effect. While everyone's experiences will vary, they impact your body or brain in some way.
I'm including supplements before techniques because I find they are extremely helpful, and it's all about the buildup of knowledge.
Also, supplements will often enhance your dreams, regardless of whether or not you have a lucid dream. You may not realize until you
wake up, but they bring on a sort of "Vividness" and can make them fairly bizarre.
Do not use supplements as a crutch!
My favourites:
*I am not a medical doctor. Taking any form of medicine, herb, etc., can be dangerous. Based off my observations and research only.
Galantamine
Choline
Vitamin-B Family
Melatonin
Tryptophan
I'll give you a brief rundown of how much I personally take of each, and when to take them
GALANTAMINE
Only really useful for WBTB. You can also benefit if suffering from REM deprivation or taking a REM-Booster.
I take 8 - 40 mg. Should certainly not be taken in large doses for a long period of time.
CHOLINE
Works well with Galantamine for WBTB.
I take 250-600MG of this along with the galantamine.
VITAMIN-B FAMILY (B-6 or 12 in particular)
Increases vividness.
Take immediately before bed or a WBTB. It acts quick, but lasts through the night and stays in your system awhile.
I take up to 600mg of B-6 a night sometimes, however the recommended dose for LDs would have an upper limit of 200mg, and not every night.
MELATONIN
Regulates normal sleep schedule. Helps put you to sleep for a WBTB as Galantamine and Choline can be fairly... Awakening.
10 Mg should do the trick if taken after waking up for a WBTB.
Taking adverse amounts can cause nightmares.
Tryptophan
Increases Vividness, Causes REM-Rebound. Take before going to sleep. Causes REM-Rebound in later stages
of sleep, ideal for WBTB
.I take 300mg, reccomend 1-200.
This was written to give you a brief idea of some supplements you can use. Look up more information to get a better understanding of any you are particularly interested in.
[multipage=Techniques]
Techniques Page!
Obviously a fairly critical part to inducing lucid dreaming, are the methods in which you do so.
On this page I will give you the method, the best general way to go about that method, why it (should) work, and tips for success.
I will try to add methods as fast as I can
WBTB - (Wake-Back-To-Bed)
First up is the wake back to bed. The WBTB method attempts to induce a lucid dream by passing from the concious state to a dream state as seamlessly as possible.
To preform a WBTB, set your alarm clock for 4'30 after you go to sleep (If you go to sleep at 10 set your alarm clock for 2'30). When it goes off, just get up, turn it off, and do something calm for a half hour.
During this time, focus on your intent to have a lucid dream. Remind your self constantly that you will Have a lucid dream and visualize what it will take place.
This can theoretically be done in almost any 90 minute interval of sleep, due to the way we go through phases as we sleep. These are easiest after 4'30 because you are still drowsy, but much more likely to go right back into a lucid dream then if you tried it an hour and a half into the night.
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1) DO NOT sit down and watch a TV program. Think about dreaming. Focus on your dream. Remind yourself of YOUR. DREAM. It should be the only thing in your head, especially when you lay back down.1
2) See supplements.
3) Don't have background noise on. It distracts you and gets your mind off task.
First up is the wake back to bed. The WBTB method attempts to induce a lucid dream by passing from the concious state to a dream state as seamlessly as possible.
To preform a WBTB, set your alarm clock for 4'30 after you go to sleep (If you go to sleep at 10 set your alarm clock for 2'30). When it goes off, just get up, turn it off, and do something calm for a half hour.
During this time, focus on your intent to have a lucid dream. Remind your self constantly that you will Have a lucid dream and visualize what it will take place.
This can theoretically be done in almost any 90 minute interval of sleep, due to the way we go through phases as we sleep. These are easiest after 4'30 because you are still drowsy, but much more likely to go right back into a lucid dream then if you tried it an hour and a half into the night.
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1) DO NOT sit down and watch a TV program. Think about dreaming. Focus on your dream. Remind yourself of YOUR. DREAM. It should be the only thing in your head, especially when you lay back down.1
2) See supplements.
3) Don't have background noise on. It distracts you and gets your mind off task.
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01-21-2012, 07:23 PM
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01-21-2012, 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by Monk
A "Oneironaut" is an explorer of the dream space.
In this thread I will attempt to guide you in the right direction towards your first (Or additional) Lucid Dreams. I will add more detail to each of
the pages / subtopics soon as I am currently tired as anything :fa:
While none of us are the first to have discovered this or make a thread for it, feel free to take a moment to visit:
You must login or register to view this content.
And
You must login or register to view this content.
You can use the tabs to the right to guide yourself around.
Also, I can always be PM'd or Quoted if you would like more specific / personalized info.
[multipage=Getting Started]
LESSON 1: You can't just dive into lucid dreaming and expect to get one the first night.
A few lucky people have the ability to just wind up in lucid dreams. This is more common in children, but not everyone outgrows it.
Now that that's clear, here come the basics:
1) Dream Journals.
Dream journals are almost universally helpful. They are exactly what they sound like, and have an immense impact on your
lucid dreaming abilities. When recording in a Dream Journal, take a moment before moving to "feel" your dream. Focus on the parts you found significant
as well as the details.
Examples of common RCs:
LESSON 2: It's not all about technique.
I'm including supplements before techniques because I find they are extremely helpful, and it's all about the buildup of knowledge.
Also, supplements will often enhance your dreams, regardless of whether or not you have a lucid dream. You may not realize until you
wake up, but they bring on a sort of "Vividness" and can make them fairly bizarre.
Do not use supplements as a crutch!
My favourites:
*I am not a medical doctor. Taking any form of medicine, herb, etc., can be dangerous. Based off my observations and research only.
Galantamine
Choline
Vitamin-B Family
Melatonin
Tryptophan
I'll give you a brief rundown of how much I personally take of each, and when to take them
GALANTAMINE
Only really useful for WBTB. You can also benefit if suffering from REM deprivation or taking a REM-Booster.
I take 8 - 40 mg. Should certainly not be taken in large doses for a long period of time.
CHOLINE
Works well with Galantamine for WBTB.
I take 250-600MG of this along with the galantamine.
VITAMIN-B FAMILY (B-6 or 12 in particular)
Increases vividness.
Take immediately before bed or a WBTB. It acts quick, but lasts through the night and stays in your system awhile.
I take up to 600mg of B-6 a night sometimes, however the recommended dose for LDs would have an upper limit of 200mg, and not every night.
MELATONIN
Regulates normal sleep schedule. Helps put you to sleep for a WBTB as Galantamine and Choline can be fairly... Awakening.
10 Mg should do the trick if taken after waking up for a WBTB.
Taking adverse amounts can cause nightmares.
Tryptophan
Increases Vividness, Causes REM-Rebound. Take before going to sleep. Causes REM-Rebound in later stages
of sleep, ideal for WBTB.
I take 300mg, reccomend 1-200.
This was written to give you a brief idea of some supplements you can use. Look up more information to get a better understanding of any you are particularly interested in.
[multipage=Techniques]
Coming soon :fa:
There are many methods (Though as you can see by now I prefer WBTB for manual induction) and they take time to write for.
the pages / subtopics soon as I am currently tired as anything :fa:
While none of us are the first to have discovered this or make a thread for it, feel free to take a moment to visit:
You must login or register to view this content.
And
You must login or register to view this content.
You can use the tabs to the right to guide yourself around.
Also, I can always be PM'd or Quoted if you would like more specific / personalized info.
[multipage=Getting Started]
LESSON 1: You can't just dive into lucid dreaming and expect to get one the first night.
A few lucky people have the ability to just wind up in lucid dreams. This is more common in children, but not everyone outgrows it.
Now that that's clear, here come the basics:
1) Dream Journals.
Dream journals are almost universally helpful. They are exactly what they sound like, and have an immense impact on your
lucid dreaming abilities. When recording in a Dream Journal, take a moment before moving to "feel" your dream. Focus on the parts you found significant
as well as the details.
Things to jot down:
[*=left]Where the dream began (Go as far back as you can)
[*=left]Who was there, as well as how they looked, and what 'odd' pieces of clothing they are wearing
[*=left]What you did and what happened to you
[*=left]Feelings. Yah, interpret the frigg out of it.
Any given recording should be no less than half a page unless the dream ended suddenly. If it did, record why.
2) Dream Signs
Most people have some sort of dream sign. You may not realise it, because it may be so seemingly insignificant as a cloud shaped like an apple.
Dream signs are a sort of "Trigger" to let you know that you are dreaming. You should question things, always ask if things are in the right place.
Getting to know your dream sign is extremely important to many induction techniques, which is why you need to be so detailed in your dream journal.
3) Reality Checks
Reality checks are something that give your dream a little push, and strengthen the knowledge that you are dreaming.
I personally do not believe they are viable as an induction technique, most people who have regular LD's use them for the purpose above.
2) Dream Signs
Most people have some sort of dream sign. You may not realise it, because it may be so seemingly insignificant as a cloud shaped like an apple.
Dream signs are a sort of "Trigger" to let you know that you are dreaming. You should question things, always ask if things are in the right place.
Getting to know your dream sign is extremely important to many induction techniques, which is why you need to be so detailed in your dream journal.
3) Reality Checks
Reality checks are something that give your dream a little push, and strengthen the knowledge that you are dreaming.
I personally do not believe they are viable as an induction technique, most people who have regular LD's use them for the purpose above.
Examples of common RCs:
[*=left]Hands - Your hands typically look 'off' in your dreams. You may have more or less fingers that appear or disappear as you look at them, or they may be extremely long.
[*=left]Time - Clocks don't always read the same time twice as the dream world is EXTREMELY visual. For different individuals, only a certain type may work (Analog / Digital). Look at a clock, remember the time, look away for 15 seconds, look back. This also works for books.
[*=left]Breathing - Very simple. Plug your nose, close your mouth, and attempt to breathe through your nose. If you can, you're likely dreaming, if not, don't be disheartened.
LESSON 2: It's not all about technique.
I'm including supplements before techniques because I find they are extremely helpful, and it's all about the buildup of knowledge.
Also, supplements will often enhance your dreams, regardless of whether or not you have a lucid dream. You may not realize until you
wake up, but they bring on a sort of "Vividness" and can make them fairly bizarre.
Do not use supplements as a crutch!
My favourites:
*I am not a medical doctor. Taking any form of medicine, herb, etc., can be dangerous. Based off my observations and research only.
Galantamine
Choline
Vitamin-B Family
Melatonin
Tryptophan
I'll give you a brief rundown of how much I personally take of each, and when to take them
GALANTAMINE
Only really useful for WBTB. You can also benefit if suffering from REM deprivation or taking a REM-Booster.
I take 8 - 40 mg. Should certainly not be taken in large doses for a long period of time.
CHOLINE
Works well with Galantamine for WBTB.
I take 250-600MG of this along with the galantamine.
VITAMIN-B FAMILY (B-6 or 12 in particular)
Increases vividness.
Take immediately before bed or a WBTB. It acts quick, but lasts through the night and stays in your system awhile.
I take up to 600mg of B-6 a night sometimes, however the recommended dose for LDs would have an upper limit of 200mg, and not every night.
MELATONIN
Regulates normal sleep schedule. Helps put you to sleep for a WBTB as Galantamine and Choline can be fairly... Awakening.
10 Mg should do the trick if taken after waking up for a WBTB.
Taking adverse amounts can cause nightmares.
Tryptophan
Increases Vividness, Causes REM-Rebound. Take before going to sleep. Causes REM-Rebound in later stages
of sleep, ideal for WBTB
.I take 300mg, reccomend 1-200.
This was written to give you a brief idea of some supplements you can use. Look up more information to get a better understanding of any you are particularly interested in.
[multipage=Techniques]
Coming soon :fa:
There are many methods (Though as you can see by now I prefer WBTB for manual induction) and they take time to write for.
Another reality check is to turn the lights on and off a few times. In dreams you either cant turn them off or on, or they do weird shit.
Also look in the mirror. The mirror won't mirror your movements or you see scary shit (such as you bleeding all over or something like that)
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01-22-2012, 12:38 AM
#8
ARIISSEK
:nyan: Kaffy :nyan:
Originally posted by kane212v2isgay
Another reality check is to turn the lights on and off a few times. In dreams you either cant turn them off or on, or they do weird shit.
Also look in the mirror. The mirror won't mirror your movements or you see scary shit (such as you bleeding all over or something like that)
Also look in the mirror. The mirror won't mirror your movements or you see scary shit (such as you bleeding all over or something like that)
Yah, I'm aware of both of those but I just put in what worked best for me at the time. I've got more supplements to add as well and I'll put those RCs in along with some others when I put the methods in.
I'll try to add pictures to make it less boring.
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