Lovol, I really find this interesting, seeing as you're from the same area as Trayvon.

In my opinion, Zimmerman is guilty. He used a lethal weapon during a hand to hand fight. Now, lets take a few things in...

Zimmerman is not a cop. He was a neighborhood watch person.
Zimmerman was big. Although he doesn't look "ripped" he is not a small twig.
Trayvon was in 9th grade, or there about. Lovol correct me if I'm wrong.

Regardless of how "suspicious" Trayvon looked, he shouldn't have been followed that closely. Simply watching were he went would suffice.

Also, with a hoodie and jeans on, and him walking away, Zimmerman couldn't have seen that he is black before pursuing him.

That means this is not a hate crime, IF it is a crime. Now imagine if you were walking home from a gas station, and a big man started following you. You legally have no where to go. You can't trespass into someones yard to escape, unless he's seriously pursuing you. Now I'm a decent sized kid, 190 lbs, 5 ft 11, and I can tell you if a man is following me, and I have no escape route, I'd confront him, if it's my last resort.

Since it's impossible to prove whom confronted whom first, or who instigated this, let's assume Zimmerman was not at fault by following Trayvon, and Trayvon DID throw the first punch. The real issue, which I find very interesting, would be Zimmerman's use of deadly force. (A gun)

Now let's take a legal look at this.

The Florida law states... In Florida you may lawfully use deadly force, BUT ONLY to defend your life. Florida is one of a handful of states in the US that has "no duty to retreat" doctrine written into the state's laws. (i.e.: If you are in, or at, a place that you may lawfully be, and are accosted or trespassed upon and threatened with deadly force you may retaliate in kind.)

Now the real deciding factor in this case is "threatened with deadly force". Is a fist a deadly force? If a fist is considered deadly, then there will be no consequences for Zimmerman, if the race card isn't pulled in the trial, which is B.S. If a fist is considered harmless, then Zimmerman will rot in hell.

Personally, I believe they were both at fault, and I feel playing the "drug dealer" card, as many do, is wrong. They claim he is a bad kid cause a kid on facebook asked him for some "plants". In all honesty, who doesn't smoke. Whether he was high or not, if he wasn't harming anyone or anything, he should have been allowed to proceed without interruption, IF he was not harming anyone or property.

Also, I'm in Naples on the South West coast of FL, there was a killing a lot like this that went down, I saw it on this site a month or so ago.

Opinions?

Innocent until proven otherwise is a two way street. Sadly the young man known as Trayvon is dead. So his side of the story from his view will never be told.

It's hard to think logically when someones parts of ones life become public. I too have been on the fritz about the entire situation. Yes, because of the fact that he has been in trouble recently. And the shooter Zimmerman as they are calling him did have some defensive wounds.
Now in all honesty If the cops had no reason to believe it wasn't self defense he deserves to be free. He does need to be charged for refusing to follow police orders. They told him to cease pursuit, but he persisted.

In the state of Michigan, and the last time I checked. Self defense with deadly force is in the home only I believe. And you must be able to prove that your life was threatened and you are unable to escape.

The problem with the entire story is it has been said that Zimmerman did not stop when told to by the officer on the phone, but that eventually he did stop and turn around and that is supposedly when Trayvon attacked.


Now on to the uproar. At first people were going back and forth about race. Others claim it is because Zimmerman is free. I personally believe do not know what to believe at the moment.

But I am pissed at those crying race and shit..

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The link leads to a recent article in which a couple African American kids set another kid (white kid) on fire while one yelled "this is what you deserve white boy". From my understand the kids who poured gasoline on the victim are still free.


In the end I think justice needs to be served for Trayvon. Whether or not that means they find Zimmerman guilty or not. I also think people such as al sharpton and jesse jackson need to stay the fuck out of things like this. Whenever figures like that get involved things always get blown out of proportion.

I'm sorry but I disagree with you 100%. Being suspended with a bag with pot residue in it is completely irrelevant to his shooting. People just want to incriminate him in any possible way they can. One guy even said he should have expected to be shot wearing a hoody, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?! It was RAINING while he was walking home.. I wear hoodies all the time, does that mean I should be on my guard because of it? That's nonsense. I don't know to what extent you researched, but in Zimmerman's own 911 call you can hear him say under his breath "Fucking Coons". That's why the race card has been pulled, and I understand that. He also has counts of domestic violence, and resisting a police officer while intoxicated. I don't think someone with violent crimes should be able to buy guns in the first place. Did you know Zimmerman has gone into hiding? And they're also saying he had been treated for depression. I'll tell you one thing, if someone has depression, they're immediately turned down for the military because if something sets that person off, they're a loose cannon. Put a gun in this guys hands, it's the same thing.

They said he had signs of a fight on him, but if some big guy was following me like that and got me to the ground I'd fight back too. But have you seen the photos of Zimmerman? He's clearly a big dude going against a skinny teenager. I can't see that kid really being able to overthrow him, especially with a gun pointed at him. The kid had nothing on him and was walking down the street when this guy instigated him.

Regardless of what ANYONE believes, they shouldn't have let him walk free. They should have at the VERY LEAST arrested him and let the courts oversee all the evidence and let them decide. I mean, it's a murder... a serious crime was commited and the police didn't investigate thoroughly? That's nonsense, even if the "Stand your ground" law is in play.

It blows my mind how so many people were so concerned with getting Kony to be recognized, but they don't seem to care that a young person was killed for nothing in our own country (for those of us in the USA)

Here's some links to check out for some people:
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Zimmerman's phone call: (Skip to 1:50 and listen closely for "fucking coons")

My opinion.

Here's a neighbors phonecall, this sends chills down my spine.

I agree but skip to 1:00 and you can hear him say he is coming towards me. If that was you and you see someone approaching your house black , white , asian it does not matter your first reaction is "oh shit was is he coming towards my house". At this point with a good a enough lawyer you COULD argue self defense. But I do think he had no reason to shoot and kill him unless he was in immediate danger i.e. shots being fired. And that was not the situation so I see how it got away with it but he was still in the wrong imo.

I recently have heard the 'coon' audio. I feel the audio is shitty but am not denying the possibility that he could have said it. But I mean who honestly has not used a racial slur before?! I know I have to someones face when they insulted me and threw one at me. But like I said it is possible that he was racist.

As for the hiding. It's been said that is for his own safety and I agree it has blown into this large race war. Not to mention that new black panther group putting a $10,000 bounty on his head. You know the guy would end up dead without proper justice.

The issue is he may be guilty and get off.. Who knows the legal system is broken in America. I know personally my brother is in jail because of some he said, she said shit.

Finally I haven't heard anything about the depression [to lazy to research is probably why :?D] But there is a possibility he owned the gun before hand. If that is not the case then whoever sold him the weapon needs to also be charged in the death of Trayvon for failure to properly investigate before a sale of a firearm.

The police did not tell him not to pursuing, a 9/11 dispatcher did, from my understanding. They have no authority.

Also, to clarify, I am in Florida, and the exact rule for using deadly force on another person is it is allowed if and only if you are confronted by another person, while in a place you are legally aloud to be, (Not trespassing) and they use deadly force FIRST, or there is an immediate possibility of them using deadly force. (Ie: I am pointing a gun at you, or I say I'm going to stab you and I clearly have a knife in my pocket) This case will all boil down to 2 things.

1. Was Trayvon pursued and threatened first? - pretty straight forward, yes or no. Most likely un-provable though, so it will most likely be decided by point #2...

2. If not, did Trayvon use deadly force first? - - This is not as clear cut. Did Trayvon go for his gun? If so, he had a right to shoot. The most likely argument will be whether or not a fist is considered deadly force. I personally feel it is not, if it is considered a weapon, a bookbag could be considered a lethal weapon, as would a cell phone.

Sorry I didn't mean to say police... But at the same time a dispatcher should have some kind of authority. Or at the very least would be communicating with the police...
You have to think in legal terms though. In court they will most likely use that recording of the dispatcher telling him to back off and ask why he did not leave.


Edit: I tried doing some quick research on dispatchers but I am tired... Honestly if they have no authority then I don't see how on occasion they have given people permission to used deadly force.