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Only because they are so small. Ghosts as we know them are the size of a human. :p

Thank you for everything.
I think of everything as of .Vanz, but there are so contradictory things.
It is all that I believe.
Thanks to all of your opinions!

That's a poor comparison. We know atoms exist through means other than our sight, hearing or sense of touch; the same can't be said of ghosts. The keyword here is 'know', before anyone attempts to link me to some stupid picture that supposedly captures ghosts knocking over a vase or something.




What is a spirit and how do either of you know it exists? It's no better of a claim than that of a ghost or leprechaun. There's no evidence at all.



You think some dust on a camera lens is a demon because: you believe that some person who we don't know existed had some unproven and contradictory divine inspiration about some further unproven deity and then made a book that collected all of these unproven claims together, within which was something about this being called a demon. Please tell me you can see how appalling that reasoning is.



By definition, there is. Much like a computer, one day each of our bodies will cease to function, our brains will turn off and our existence will cease to be. Stop avoiding the issue.



There is no soul or spirit unless you can prove that there is, which I highly doubt you can. On that note, if you can, please present a paper on it and collect your Nobel prize.

Logically speaking, we can see emotions within the brain. We can manipulate personalities using science. There's no reason to think that our personalities are anything more than our brains working within their means.



More claims, no proof. As per usual.



Because they're cherry-picking which utterly stupid beliefs they wish to partake in believing. Every religionist does this bar certain fundamentalists, and they're just the very embodiment of delusion.



So does Harry Potter. So what?



How funny, I've never noticed. Perhaps they're hiding under my mattress or in my wardrobe or something?



More claims without evidence. sigh Let me guess, you got this idea from some sort of horror movie or ghost programme, right?



No, those people are known as con artists.



And these ones are known as actors and/or modern video editing technologies.



Then you're a fool.

Scientists, professional and amateur investigators, and just everyday people who have witnessed and seen ghosts are believers, but universal belief is based on evidence, and even with photographic, video and audio evidence, many people aren't yet willing to universally accept that ghosts exist. As one who has seen them, I of course have no doubt, and it has caused me to rethink many things of a spiritual nature. There is a lot of evidence that tips the scale toward the existence of ghosts than there is to disprove they do. By evidence, I mean that which cannot be explained by any other cause.

I have no doubt that science will ultimately come to the realization of the existence of ghosts. Remember that science has often sworn that ancient species are extinct, only to be proven wrong when a specimen was found. The Coelacanth is a prime example of why no one should ever discount the possibility of something not being provable. Science long held the Coelacanth was extinct millions of years ago - only to be slammed when a live specimen was caught several decades ago.

We often consider ourselves smarter than we really are, and science, though often right, isn't always correct by a longshot. In the end, seeing is believing, and for anyone who has ever witnessed any type of entity, be it active or residual (a "recording" of an event that repeats and cannot interact with the viewer), there is no question of their existence. Remember too that even if science does prove their existence, not everyone will believe it either. There are still people who believe the Earth is flat, that we've never been to the Moon, and that the U.S. Navy supports an underwater alien base in the Bahamas.
My advice is to do what many of us have done - start your own journey to determine for yourself if they exist or not, and keep an open mind when doing so. In the end, what YOU believe is really all that matters.
And i don't think i'm being a " fool" to believe it, this is just your opinion, and i gave mine here.

Irrelevant. Plenty of people believe in magic, that doesn't give it even an ounce of truth.



The problem with said evidence is that it's never conclusive, and if you weren't predisposed to the idea of ghosts there's no reason you'd link the two. The evidence you propose is always either fake, confusing or suggestive at best. There's no reason to link some hazy camera lens or some creaking floorboards to some description of 'spirit' on this basis.



When people are coming back from the brink of death, it's typical for them to see a figure from whatever faith they hold. Sometimes they even claim to have talked to them. Given the wide variety of beliefs held and how incompatible they are with one another, it just goes to show how flawed our senses can be.



Firstly, I'd like a link to the evidence you speak of. As I said above, the only 'evidence' I've ever come across has required some strong predisposition to link them to ghosts.

Secondly, it isn't my job to disprove a damn thing. The burden of proof is with you and due to the fallacious way in which you view your supposed evidence of ghosts that burden has yet to be fulfilled.



Again, link me, please.



Are ghosts natural or supernatural?

If natural, they're hiding pretty damn well after so many investigations. If supernatural, then science will never be able to discover them by definition and for all intents and purposes may as-well not exist. Regardless, this is just another claim. If you can prove that your ghosts exist beyond any doubt, please collect your Nobel prize. It'd be well deserved.



This is a positive trait of science, not negative. Science goes on the evidence and works from there, it won't manipulate the evidence to suit a model like religions or conspiracy theories do.

Regardless, this is still no argument in your favour. It could otherwise just as easily to attempt to prove the possibility of leprechauns existing, which whilst literally possible, is realistically not worth bothering with.



You're the one pretending to be smarter than you actually are by claiming that you know beyond all doubt that ghosts exist. And as I've already said, science occasionally being incorrect is besides the point.



This quote proves your disposition. For any sceptic, the line of thought goes "now let's investigate this and find the cause". For you, it's "this must be X that I already thought might exist".



Yeah, there will always be fools who refuse to look at evidence and instead would rather bury their heads in the sand. It's sadly so common.



I always have an open mind to new ideas, however what you're really saying is no better than what religionists say. It goes something like "trust me, believe this and you'll see how it's true". So very fallacious.

Also, "start your own journey", really? I'm sick of hearing this, it's the most condescending crap that you spiritualists like to spout.



No, what we actually know to be true is what actually matters. Our mere faith in something doesn't change whether it's true or not so said faith is ultimately irrelevant.



I do think you're a fool, however you likely think the same of me regarding this topic. It doesn't matter.



Also, BAMF, if you disagree with my post refute it. Don't just groan it as that's a sign that you couldn't refute it but refuse to accept that you're wrong. This is the intellectual discussion section and there's little more intellectually dishonest.

Do you know where the soul goes after it leaves the body after we die ? I don't think anyone can explain that . We as humans try to find answers to these kind of questions.

The Bible has given us an indepth look at what we find is the true word of Jesus and God. John who was one of the 12 apostles saw for himself what we did not see he saw Jesus after he came back from being dead to show us that there is life after death.

There is scientific evidence that the garments that Jesus wore back then cured a man of leprocy and thus told the world that he existed 2000 years before our time . There are missionaries who are trying to let the world know that there is life after death.

Science has proven that there were patricles on these garments that can not be explained away . Leading scientists of the world have done extensive research on these garments. As evidence I propose that there is life after death .

Well, look at our universe and you will find out, How is everything so perfect? and what Heaven is. The vatican has the original documents which scientists and researchers have seen and authenticated they are proof that spirits and souls do exist.This is also an unknown energy we cannot explain but now know exists.
If the soul does not exist then why do people have Out Of Body Experiences or why is there astral travel can you explain that scientifically ? Probably not .

That just goes to show you that there is life after death .
Let me ask you this mr. Everything Scientific . Is it documented that there is not life after death?

Some people do not want to believe in life after death, especially when they are severely depressed. Some people( i'm not saying its your case) want to believe that suicide would end their suffering, and that they do not have to continue to struggle. Others believe that worrying about the future is a waste of time, and that everyday should be lived only as it comes - so they don't consider the concept. They're is also no much evidence that there is life after death and so some people might not want to believe since they have no proof.

Acknowledging life after death is usually associated with a religion, and people who have been raised void of religious influence and are not of faith; may have trouble believing in something beyond the grave. Some people believe only in what they have direct evidence of, or have witnessed; and evidence of life after death can only be found when it is too late to come back and tell the world about.

I'm not trying to be smart here, I'm only giving my opinion as was proposed by the author of the thread, it's just a discussion, I'm not here to offend anyone but I think nobody is forced to agree with me. I'm just saying what I think and what I believe. I respect your opinion as a person and therefore give you a positive vote by giving your opinion, you are good at arguing.

And I won't call you a "fool" just like you said i am, because I respect others opinions, I respect yours even if i don't agree with you. Cheers.

You've yet to demonstrate that there is a soul, so the question is nullified immediately.



People who don't understand the principles of scepticism do. Funnily enough, these are also the people who rarely if ever come up with answers.



The bible has given us as much of an in-depth look at reality as Harry Potter has. Moving on.



Stop making claims you can't back up. Provide sources when making such claims, please.



Firstly, I want a source, because this sounds like the kind of false, regurgitated crap that theists like to use. Secondly, if you can provide me with a source, I'd bet you everything that I own that it was:
a) Written by a Christian.
b) Already refuted, but said refutation has been ignored.



This rather amusing video sums up how wrong you are in saying that:





False. These would have been scientists in a time of deep scientific ignorance that sought only to fabricate results and attempt to back up the church which at the time had a reputation for killing those who would say otherwise.



Then name it.



Out of body experiences I already dealt with in my prior post.



No, actually it just goes to show how flawed our senses are. If we're predisposed to something confirmation bias plays a huge part in what we think we see etc.



For all intents and purposes yes, just as much as it's documented that there aren't any flying spaghetti monsters in a neighbouring galaxy. And again with you failing to understand that the burden of proof lies with you. And no, making unsupported claims does not qualify as proof.

Any scientist who isn't religious will tell you that there needn't be a soul and we have everything we need for our somewhat unique personalities right here in our brains. The reason a religious scientist may suggest otherwise would either be out of hope or disposition.



Quite the opposite. Most people rely on some degree of faith to get through difficult stages in their lives and only drop their faith when looking back upon it.



If the assumption is that there's an afterlife, suicide seems like an infinitely more admirable option.

If there's an afterlife, you end your misery and live on in bliss. If there isn't, you just wasted your one and only chance at a life.



I disagree with the very fundamentals of this concept and I believe that most atheists and sceptics would, too. It tends to be the religious who believe they have another life waiting for them that ignore the future.



Disbelieving due to a lack of proof is fine reasoning. It's the same reasoning people like you apply to everything bar your 'spiritualism'.



The vast majority of atheists in the world today disbelieve in the concept of an afterlife, and the vast majority of them(us) used to be religious to some degree.



Fallacious. The easiest way I can show you is to copy your quote and change the claim a bit.

"Some people believe only in what they have direct evidence of, or have witnessed; and evidence of flying spaghetti monsters can only be found when it is too late to come back and tell the world about due to radiation and such."

Granted, not the best example, but it portrays the point bearably.



This is a debate, not an argument.



I don't respect beliefs like yours for multiple reasons. Let's list as many as come to the top of my head:

• It teaches you to be content with not understanding the world.
  
• It tells you that this life isn't of great importance as there's another one waiting for you.
  
• It tells you that if you don't believe you're going to hell for all of eternity.
  
• Your religion(I'm assuming Christianity) has been the cause of great problems and great halts to progress over the last couple of thousands of years.
  
• It indoctrinates children so that they can't comprehend anything other than what they've been taught. This isn't a sign that you're right, it's actually a sign that they're brainwashed.
  
• It therefore breeds ignorance, quite literally.
  
• Even right now your church is causing problems. From the attempt to limit the rights of homosexuals to the spread of lies and propaganda in Africa regarding condoms, you're just making things worse.
  
• And so much more.
  

Religion is the cause of so many problems in this world; I truly hope that there'll be the rise of an age of reason within my lifetime. It may well happen too, given that non-belief is rising faster than any belief system today, as shown consistently by various polls and surveys all around the world.

cool story bro :| whatever you say and believe. period.

I refute everything you claim and you come back with that. You don't even have the decency to admit that you're wrong. You're everything that's wrong with this section right now, and to a lesser extent society. Intellectually dishonest. Well done.