Post: Diveration of the US's Most Hated Terrorist's Pictures
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01-11-2013, 04:04 AM
#1
Lovol
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If you don't already know (referring to the title), the US's most notoriously hated terrorist is/was known as Osama Bin Laden (an opinion, but like I've stated, pretty notorious). And now in current events, the U.S. supreme court is struggling to decide whether or not to release pictures of him prior to his sea-burial.
According to Judicial Watch Attorney, Michael Bekesha, there are 52 images of him that were taken before his burial. Not sure if any of you remember, but there was a leaked photo of him dead after he was shot in his hideout (pretty gruesome). To me, that was complete nonsense. If the U.S. supreme court/executive office is having such trouble with deciding whether or not to release sane pictures, it's hard to believe that someone of military authority would release such a terrible picture.
Despite the 'leaked picture', Bin Laden underwent traditional Muslim pre-burial procedures and was respectively buried (dropped?) somewhere in the ocean.
Now, I've seen two dead people in my life. First one was my grandma. I was little and didn't know much about what was going on, and trusted my mom in that she was just 'in a deep sleep'. The second was my other grandmother– before her funeral, there was a seeing of her in the casket for everyone to say their last goodbyes, etc. Now, when I was there, everyone was dressed nicely, acting respectively, and (obviously) upset. In addition to everyone there, so was my grandmother. She was in her finest clothes before she was buried ready to take on what many people (dis-including myself) call the afterlife.
So I'm thinking that his cultural/traditional Muslim burial procedures were something a little like that. So how bad can the pictures be?
That's just one side of it, however. Sadly, there are those 'modern day anarchists' all over society that will dispute Bin Laden's death despite any amount of proof displayed. Controversy will be arise, arguments will come, and a lot of people won't be happy.
In addition to internal chaos, there's the external (possibly internal, but more/less not location, per say) disputes. People of AlQueda/Muslim heritage might take it extremely offensively (can't speak for anyone) and will try to rebel however they can against the U.S. government.
Any which way you go about it, someone won't be happy. In fact, the White House released the following statement, assuming it would be a national security threat:
Originally posted by Jay Carney
It is not in our national security interest ... to allow these images to become icons to rally opinion against the United States
My opinion is for them to remain to authorized personnel. As much as I'd love to see the pictures myself, I'd rather just let them turn into public domain in the next 100 years.
What do you think?
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01-11-2013, 05:26 PM
#2
Can you prats above grow up please, this is a section for mature and intellectual discussion, not immature and childish insults.
With regards to the OP, I think anyone who really fears terrorists has been massively deceived by the media and what can only be described as propaganda. Barely anyone ever dies to terrorism in the first world, and this irrational fear of it is used as an excuse to pass draconian legislation all in the name of protection. With that being the case, for the sake of transparency the pictures should probably being released. Is that standard for these situations or not?
With regards to the OP, I think anyone who really fears terrorists has been massively deceived by the media and what can only be described as propaganda. Barely anyone ever dies to terrorism in the first world, and this irrational fear of it is used as an excuse to pass draconian legislation all in the name of protection. With that being the case, for the sake of transparency the pictures should probably being released. Is that standard for these situations or not?
01-11-2013, 08:29 PM
#3
Lovol
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Originally posted by Clutch
Can you prats above grow up please, this is a section for mature and intellectual discussion, not immature and childish insults.
With regards to the OP, I think anyone who really fears terrorists has been massively deceived by the media and what can only be described as propaganda. Barely anyone ever dies to terrorism in the first world, and this irrational fear of it is used as an excuse to pass draconian legislation all in the name of protection. With that being the case, for the sake of transparency the pictures should probably being released. Is that standard for these situations or not?
With regards to the OP, I think anyone who really fears terrorists has been massively deceived by the media and what can only be described as propaganda. Barely anyone ever dies to terrorism in the first world, and this irrational fear of it is used as an excuse to pass draconian legislation all in the name of protection. With that being the case, for the sake of transparency the pictures should probably being released. Is that standard for these situations or not?
01-11-2013, 09:16 PM
#4
Millz
Worth the Weight
You do make a good argument, however I personally feel that these pictures being released or not being released is going to have a very similar outcome.
There are those people who still believe 9/11 was an inside job, the Kennedy assassination, the moon landing, Area 51, aliens, diet (aspartame and cancer, creation of diseases for depopulation, Obama isn't an American, the holocaust never happened, and let's not forget the ending of the world.
I could go on, there are going to be idiots who always choose to believe that their government is evil, and yet still vote to keep more big government in place. Anyways.
To be entirely honest, I feel as if though a very large amount of people who suffer from critical thinking, would realize what this would do the the United States of America. I have no problem with transparency, the thing is that a large majority of people who view these pictures in the middle east are only going to increase tensions with the USA. I've stood very firm when it comes to the withdrawal of the troops from the middle east. They can kill each other for centuries if they want, they refuse to listen, and it is not OUR job to get the people overseas educated about the real world. They choose to kill each other, then that's what they will get. Leaving troops there is just going to cause more American lives to be lost. America has huge problems to worry about at home, before deciding that they should be going out and helping other countries around the world.
If we finally adopt a non-interventionist policy when it comes to war, then I could see these photos being released without any problems. There is always going to be lash-back when it comes to things like this, but it is the right of the people. What happened to transparency? It's still as thick as fog from where I sit. The elected officials in the United States were elected for the task of being transparent with the general public, and they have not. They have passed laws allowing for the imprisonment of American citizens without the right to trail, and they can target American citizens for assassinations now? It's time these people started living up to their promises, and even though I am willing to bet my entire life savings that they won't, I still hope they do.
Tldr:
America withdraws troops, builds national defense = nothing wrong with photos
Americans continue invading countries = no dice.
There are those people who still believe 9/11 was an inside job, the Kennedy assassination, the moon landing, Area 51, aliens, diet (aspartame and cancer, creation of diseases for depopulation, Obama isn't an American, the holocaust never happened, and let's not forget the ending of the world.
I could go on, there are going to be idiots who always choose to believe that their government is evil, and yet still vote to keep more big government in place. Anyways.
To be entirely honest, I feel as if though a very large amount of people who suffer from critical thinking, would realize what this would do the the United States of America. I have no problem with transparency, the thing is that a large majority of people who view these pictures in the middle east are only going to increase tensions with the USA. I've stood very firm when it comes to the withdrawal of the troops from the middle east. They can kill each other for centuries if they want, they refuse to listen, and it is not OUR job to get the people overseas educated about the real world. They choose to kill each other, then that's what they will get. Leaving troops there is just going to cause more American lives to be lost. America has huge problems to worry about at home, before deciding that they should be going out and helping other countries around the world.
If we finally adopt a non-interventionist policy when it comes to war, then I could see these photos being released without any problems. There is always going to be lash-back when it comes to things like this, but it is the right of the people. What happened to transparency? It's still as thick as fog from where I sit. The elected officials in the United States were elected for the task of being transparent with the general public, and they have not. They have passed laws allowing for the imprisonment of American citizens without the right to trail, and they can target American citizens for assassinations now? It's time these people started living up to their promises, and even though I am willing to bet my entire life savings that they won't, I still hope they do.
Tldr:
America withdraws troops, builds national defense = nothing wrong with photos
Americans continue invading countries = no dice.
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01-11-2013, 11:55 PM
#5
CLM
[b]They say sorry Mr. West is..[/b]
"The Osama Pictures are Just a Look a Like Cadaver"
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Alex Jones here on the front line, reporting to you the people, the real truth. After some heavy sessions with my Ouija board, I figured out George Bush has been secretly working in the White House to cover this all up. Him and the voice actor for Donald Duck spent hours looking through cadavers till they found an Osama look-alike. At this point, they hired a secret Al Queda GFX artist that goes by the alias Jesse (real name yet to be known), and paid him to edit some photos.
All these cover-ups to raise moral in this current economy but we all know Osama died 10 years ago in a gummy bear factory explosion. Anyways folks, you heard here first. My top notch sources can confirm this (sources will not be shared). Stay aware and be prepared for the alien invasion of 2013.
This is the type of crap that will come out of this. Showing pictures of dead people is unnecessary. I'm not going to be able to sleep better at night, knowing I saw Osama in a casket. As far as national security, that is a valid point but not as big a deal as people make it out to be.
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Alex Jones here on the front line, reporting to you the people, the real truth. After some heavy sessions with my Ouija board, I figured out George Bush has been secretly working in the White House to cover this all up. Him and the voice actor for Donald Duck spent hours looking through cadavers till they found an Osama look-alike. At this point, they hired a secret Al Queda GFX artist that goes by the alias Jesse (real name yet to be known), and paid him to edit some photos.
All these cover-ups to raise moral in this current economy but we all know Osama died 10 years ago in a gummy bear factory explosion. Anyways folks, you heard here first. My top notch sources can confirm this (sources will not be shared). Stay aware and be prepared for the alien invasion of 2013.
This is the type of crap that will come out of this. Showing pictures of dead people is unnecessary. I'm not going to be able to sleep better at night, knowing I saw Osama in a casket. As far as national security, that is a valid point but not as big a deal as people make it out to be.
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01-12-2013, 02:09 AM
#6
NeedaLifeSoon
Retired Life
I care nothing about the pictures release, the west wants to see the gore, the east wants more reasons to hate.
What does bother me is all of the consideration given to whether it will offend the Muslim world.
What consideration do they have for the West when so many Muslim Fundamentalist have released videos of them beheading innocent westerners, such as journalists and international workers.
If we are going to release some pictures or video I would prefer that it was his head being carried on a spike with a cross branded on one cheek and a star of David branded on the other and have it shown being carried by runners traveling around the world , like an olympic torch, and stopping in the 33 cities and 20 countries where Al Qaeda has carried out over 40 attacks on innocent victims.
Killing over 7,000 people, wounding nearly 30,000 and killing over 3,000 Muslims while they were at prayer service or the market shopping.
But hey, we don't want to offend anyone do we.
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What does bother me is all of the consideration given to whether it will offend the Muslim world.
What consideration do they have for the West when so many Muslim Fundamentalist have released videos of them beheading innocent westerners, such as journalists and international workers.
If we are going to release some pictures or video I would prefer that it was his head being carried on a spike with a cross branded on one cheek and a star of David branded on the other and have it shown being carried by runners traveling around the world , like an olympic torch, and stopping in the 33 cities and 20 countries where Al Qaeda has carried out over 40 attacks on innocent victims.
Killing over 7,000 people, wounding nearly 30,000 and killing over 3,000 Muslims while they were at prayer service or the market shopping.
But hey, we don't want to offend anyone do we.
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01-12-2013, 02:18 AM
#7
MLB
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Originally posted by Lovol
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If you don't already know (referring to the title), the US's most notoriously hated terrorist is/was known as Osama Bin Laden (an opinion, but like I've stated, pretty notorious). And now in current events, the U.S. supreme court is struggling to decide whether or not to release pictures of him prior to his sea-burial.
According to Judicial Watch Attorney, Michael Bekesha, there are 52 images of him that were taken before his burial. Not sure if any of you remember, but there was a leaked photo of him dead after he was shot in his hideout (pretty gruesome). To me, that was complete nonsense. If the U.S. supreme court/executive office is having such trouble with deciding whether or not to release sane pictures, it's hard to believe that someone of military authority would release such a terrible picture.
Despite the 'leaked picture', Bin Laden underwent traditional Muslim pre-burial procedures and was respectively buried (dropped?) somewhere in the ocean.
Now, I've seen two dead people in my life. First one was my grandma. I was little and didn't know much about what was going on, and trusted my mom in that she was just 'in a deep sleep'. The second was my other grandmother– before her funeral, there was a seeing of her in the casket for everyone to say their last goodbyes, etc. Now, when I was there, everyone was dressed nicely, acting respectively, and (obviously) upset. In addition to everyone there, so was my grandmother. She was in her finest clothes before she was buried ready to take on what many people (dis-including myself) call the afterlife.
So I'm thinking that his cultural/traditional Muslim burial procedures were something a little like that. So how bad can the pictures be?
That's just one side of it, however. Sadly, there are those 'modern day anarchists' all over society that will dispute Bin Laden's death despite any amount of proof displayed. Controversy will be arise, arguments will come, and a lot of people won't be happy.
In addition to internal chaos, there's the external (possibly internal, but more/less not location, per say) disputes. People of AlQueda/Muslim heritage might take it extremely offensively (can't speak for anyone) and will try to rebel however they can against the U.S. government.
Any which way you go about it, someone won't be happy. In fact, the White House released the following statement, assuming it would be a national security threat:
My opinion is for them to remain to authorized personnel. As much as I'd love to see the pictures myself, I'd rather just let them turn into public domain in the next 100 years.
What do you think?
If you don't already know (referring to the title), the US's most notoriously hated terrorist is/was known as Osama Bin Laden (an opinion, but like I've stated, pretty notorious). And now in current events, the U.S. supreme court is struggling to decide whether or not to release pictures of him prior to his sea-burial.
According to Judicial Watch Attorney, Michael Bekesha, there are 52 images of him that were taken before his burial. Not sure if any of you remember, but there was a leaked photo of him dead after he was shot in his hideout (pretty gruesome). To me, that was complete nonsense. If the U.S. supreme court/executive office is having such trouble with deciding whether or not to release sane pictures, it's hard to believe that someone of military authority would release such a terrible picture.
Despite the 'leaked picture', Bin Laden underwent traditional Muslim pre-burial procedures and was respectively buried (dropped?) somewhere in the ocean.
Now, I've seen two dead people in my life. First one was my grandma. I was little and didn't know much about what was going on, and trusted my mom in that she was just 'in a deep sleep'. The second was my other grandmother– before her funeral, there was a seeing of her in the casket for everyone to say their last goodbyes, etc. Now, when I was there, everyone was dressed nicely, acting respectively, and (obviously) upset. In addition to everyone there, so was my grandmother. She was in her finest clothes before she was buried ready to take on what many people (dis-including myself) call the afterlife.
So I'm thinking that his cultural/traditional Muslim burial procedures were something a little like that. So how bad can the pictures be?
That's just one side of it, however. Sadly, there are those 'modern day anarchists' all over society that will dispute Bin Laden's death despite any amount of proof displayed. Controversy will be arise, arguments will come, and a lot of people won't be happy.
In addition to internal chaos, there's the external (possibly internal, but more/less not location, per say) disputes. People of AlQueda/Muslim heritage might take it extremely offensively (can't speak for anyone) and will try to rebel however they can against the U.S. government.
Any which way you go about it, someone won't be happy. In fact, the White House released the following statement, assuming it would be a national security threat:
My opinion is for them to remain to authorized personnel. As much as I'd love to see the pictures myself, I'd rather just let them turn into public domain in the next 100 years.
What do you think?
Jay Carney, White House Press Secretary
01-12-2013, 11:05 AM
#10
Two posts since my last seem to think that the release of these pictures will raise tensions with the middle east. Do you really think that the innocent civilians over there support the people who are bombing their schools and hospitals? That's another thing (again), we rarely have to deal with 'terrorism' at all. It's become a boogeyman. Look into the middle east if you want to look at a place where terrorism is an actual threat.
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