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In my opinion, war is an ineffective way of solving problems and making advancements as a human species. Not as a country or a group, but a human species, because in the end, that's all that really matters. We all share the same planet, sometimes even the same continents, yet our own stupidity allows us to form alliances, and therefore enemies, and use violence as our means of influence.

Look where humans have come, look at how advanced we are as a society. Our technology advances at shockingly high rates, and we are constantly learning more and more about the universe in which we inhabit. Yet still, here lies the pathetic humans that think that their opinions are non-negotiable, and if anyone gives them any trouble, war is the solution. War means nothing. War says which country can raise a stronger army, or which country can throw the most bombs, or the biggest bombs. But ultimately, the strength and physical power of a country is irrelevant to any future peace. Why must humans resort to violence when someone else won't agree with them? It's just stupid.

A better way to function is to be willing to negotiate, be willing to accept someone else's ideas if they can prove yours wrong. There is an answer to everything, there will always be right and wrong, better and worse. Right now, if someone can't accept one or the other, and be willing to change for the better, than war/violence is the automatic solution. I could be wrong here, but I think that one of the most important matters that needs to be resolved is religion. Actually, it's not even that religion shouldn't exist. I'd be perfectly fine with religion existing (not that I would be a part of it), as long as religion doesn't play a role or affect how people make major decisions, decisions that affect other people and/or countries.

This is getting long for the first post, so I'll sum it up now. To put it in one sentence, I just don't understand why people can't sit down and agree on a final consensus without bringing violence into the equation. It just seems so barbaric.

War is not beneficial for man, but it's beneficial for the ones who fund it.Fund both sides of the war (in each war) and you can control the outcome. The truth is, the people who appear to control the planet (Rothschilds,Rockerfellers,etc) DO NOT want a peaceful world. More chaos and wars is a way to advance the agenda for a 1 world government. Now for the common man, they are forced to believe they are fighting to protect their country, so a lot of young ppl join the military while at the same time the ones who fund the wars NEVER send their youth. Here's a quote from Henry Kissinger ( Rothschild pawn/globalist) about soldiers: "Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." While I hate what he said and hate him period, he do have a point. If people refuse to fight their wars, there will be no wars. If this is how they think of all soldiers, the soldiers should stand down.

War is not beneficial for individual humans, however it has been extremely beneficial for a few countries, namely the United States of America.

Consider this, where do you think American technology came from? America? Nope. Guess again. It came from:

Germany and the rest of Europe.

If the United States had not gotten involved in World War II, they would not have a lot of the technologies that they have now. They would have lost the space race to the Soviet Union, not to mention that Germany would have ended up wining the war, and we all know how that would have ended up.

NASA, was based on primarily German technology that was collected and perfected after the second world war. The missile technologies that the Germans came up with were far ahead of anything the US or USSR had at the time. The super powers who attacked Germany and eventually defeated them competed so that they would be able to gain as much knowledge and use it for themselves. An excellent example of this is how a large group of German rocket scientists (led by Wernher von Braun) were taken back to the USA to develop missiles and nuclear weapons for the United States.

Although NASA was not founded by German scientists, a huge amount of technology was used from Germany that would not have been gained if there was no war in 1939-1945.

Now, war in some instances is a necessity to preserve the national defense of a nation. At this point in time, if the Unites States withdrew from the middle east, do you think that would make us safer? Do you think if we just leave Iran alone they won't get to a nuclear weapon? Do you honestly think that they will ever cooperate with the United States? Do you honestly ever think that their government will get rid of terrorists?

No. It's never in a million years would this happen. There are bad people who want to harm the US and will stop at nothing to do so. The US has serious sanctions imposed on Iran and they are still pushing forward with a nuclear program. Iran also wants to wipe Israel off the map with a nuclear weapon as well. Some of these people are extremists. They will not stop if you tell them to. They will not stop from attacking Israel and the United States simply because we tell them to. We can try negotiating all they want, but they act like bratty schoolchildren and will ask for ridiculous things.

But at the same time, things like 9/11 were caused due to blowback. The US (1953) had installed the shah of Iran. The US oil companies gained about 50% of Iran's oil production. If you recall the hostage crisis, that was also because of the US nitpicking in the middle east.

For the most part, I don't feel that war is a proper solution to anything. I am still in favor of a non interventionist military, but enough is enough. The world wouldn't have ended up like this if everyone just got along and didn't get in each other's hair. But then you move on to, are humans inherently good or evil? What if there is a nation that is weak and a nation wants to take it over? Do you think that we can ALL always get along?

It's a long discussion, so I'll cut this off here for now.

I certainly don't think that the US should withdraw from the middle east, but I also think that there shouldn't be a problem in the first place. I'm probably sounding really perfectionist/unrealistic when I say this, but all of these problems are due to those extremists you mentioned and the people that are inherently evil. If EVERYONE on Earth was completely logical and, well, moral (I can't really think of another word), then there would be no reason for any threats to be made towards other countries, and no reason for any countries to have the need to place themselves in other countries for their own safety.



I agree with what you're saying here. Do I think that we can ALL get along? Not any time soon, I don't think. However, I think that if we were able to all get along, it would be a LOT easier to get other things done.

I also understand what you're saying with how we wouldn't be where we are today without wars of the past. The US originally sent men to the moon purely because of the competition that the Soviet Union created in the cold war with Sputnik. As soon as the "space race" ended, when the cold war ended (I'm pretty sure), the general public lost interest in space and NASA, and NASA itself went into a slump. But anyway, what I'm trying to say is that competition definitely acts as a catalyst for new discoveries/change, but I think that the question is whether or not competition is the "right" way to make change. Maybe we shouldn't have made it as far as we've made it (don't think I'm referring to some sort of destiny here). I'm now starting to sort of simulate how humanity would function, so for now I'll end my post here, but there is a lot to think about now....

Very well said!

This a long discussion that can most likely go on forever, but realistically not everyone is equally intelligent and have the same point of view of life. While I read your thread, you said everyone should be able to negotiate and come to reasonable conclusions which does not involve war, that just isn't realistic in a world of SEVEN BILLION people now and was probably not realistic back then when many other wars took place.(Most due to religion,power,greed and wealth) I can most definitely say, everyone human being is driven by power, wealth, greed and in the bigger picture, survival. There is no trust among us humans, deep down everyone is trying to benefit themselves or 'their people' as much as they can. I hope you have got a sense of where I'm going but if you didn't, what I'm trying to say, war's caused by humans and humans are not perfectionist nor have alike thinking. Although, war has been effective for many technological advancements such as GPS, satellites, computers, and radars, just to name a few. Just a quick post of my opinion!

For me the war is stupid, useless...

I agree. War should never have to be used, except as a last case scenario, but it's actually safe to say that if the United States had not gotten involved in WWII they would not be in the same position that it is today. War actually pushed more scientists and engineers to create wonders that could be used to defend countries.

If Germany hadn't made the mistake of attacking Russia; Germany would have easily beaten us, United States; along with Europe. It was the cold front that decimated the Germans; it locked much of the soldiers up and crippled them to a degree where it provided an advantage over them.

The Russians were extremely close to loosing the war to the Germans. The Germans were literally a few miles away from their capital. Sooner or later, winter or no winter, Germany would have defeated Russia, the problem was not Russia, as much as it was the fact that Germany was fighting a huge amount of countries on all fronts as well. The Germans were overthrown in a collective effort by a large amount of countries all collectively fighting against them. If Germany had taken on Russia in a one on one fight, Russia would have stood no chance to the amount of tech that Germany had.

We probably would be under German rule today if they hadn't hit Russia like Pichu said. War in my opinion is effective in solving problems, eg. crazy mofo dictators and rouge countries, or in some cases if your countries population density is too high and you need more land for your citizens. But most reasons are stupid, eg. attacking countries for resources like oil.