(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Let's compare CoD4 + WaW's Juggernaut to Black Ops' Second Chance.

Juggernaut:

• Takes one extra bullet to kill
  
• Could still one-shot someone with Jugs with a shot to the neck/chest
  
• Forced you to sacrifice Stopping Power, one of the most important perks in CoD4/WaW
  
• Took up a very important perk slot
  

Second Chance:

• Takes one extra bullet to kill, after the enemy falls to the ground
  
• Has frames of invincibility (where you can't kill them as they're falling to the ground)
  
• The enemy is able to shoot or knife you while they're falling, while your bullets do nothing during that period of time
  
• Impossible to one-shot someone with a sniper rifle unless it's a headshot
  
• Doesn't suffer any gun damage loss, since Stopping Power was taken out of the game
  
• Takes up perk slot 3, which in my opinion is the least important perk slot
  
• Can be revived by people without Second Chance, which takes only one second
  

So why was Juggernaut taken out so early in the franchise while Treyarch decides to keep in Second Chance (which was bad enough, before they decided to make it even more frustrating)? Something needs to happen soon.

just saying mate

Am not offended some random user posting on a net forum does not offend me easy.
Yeah i can understand why your annoyed at it......i get annoyed at drop shots etc
I do it a good method to keep alive , just pointin out that second chance and drop shotting the same thing almost. Trying to keep alive and helps you.

If you hate one you must hate the other one.

Still think most users hate on it due to not getting the kill deep down.

Btw i don't use it , does not help on the game modes i play

yeh its annoying espacially if you play vs some 1 who keeps running around with a handgun. Cause if he doesnt use dual wield or the fully auto attachment on it he wont pull out a M1911 he keeps his handgun and can shot you while beeing in the invicibly frames.God thanks that you cant use dual wield in 2nd chance or it would be more annoying as it is now. Its not just annoying that they need a extra bullet to kill but most of the time i dropshot and realise it to late if some1 goes to 2nd chance. So i pull a whole clip into them. And loosing 30 bullets to 1 noob is just plain dumb.

both sides have a fair argument, but I'm with OP, its the invincible part for me, needs to be tweaked imo, but if it never does it won't impact me as we're pretty much used to it now. i wouldn't want to see it gone even tho i don't use it but the falling invincibility needs removing.

Actually they can shoot and knife at the beginning of the fall into second chance. Once you hit the ground you have a small wait time to pull out the pistol. The invincibility frame should be shortened. Its the same as deathstreaks, any time a player is rewarded for getting their face kicked in is retarded.

Drop shooting isn't annoying, it's a skill. Last stand doesn't.

number 1 have you tryied it or is it because you suck in last stand
number 2 to get revived someone has to come over 2 you when you could be on the other side of the map
number 3 you have to have seconed chance pro in order to get revived

well imo Juggernaut was never bad. Nobody could ever really complain about it. And heres why:

Stopping Power= 1 less bullet to kill
Juggernaut=1 extra bullet to die

1 Extra bullet to kill vs 1 extra bullet to die.

So it takes the same amount of Bullets For the Juggernaut to Kill the Stopping power as it does for the stopping power to kill the Juggy. It just seemed a useless perk unless the other person was not using SP.

Number 1, it does take an extra bullet to kill technically, it's not something that needs to be tested. And no I don't suck in Second Chance, nor do I use Second Chance, it's for faggots.

Number 2, a lot of the time you could be flanking in their spawn, only to down a guy with Second Chance who ends up killing you. It's happened to me a lot.

Number 3, Second Chance Pro is incredibly easy to get.

And number 4, I'm guessing you use Second Chance.

how do you know its easy to get if you never use it and i do use it so i can kill guys like you in your spawn