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Hello-

The topic of 2nd chance is too large to stuff in a general game-play thread. So here we go. This thread will only be open about 48 hours so get involved while it lasts.

I've looked into this as requested. Yes. The game has 0.5 seconds of invulnerability while falling. It's intentional. It's been like this forever. It was 0.5 in World at War. It also appears to have been 0.5 in Modern Warfare 2. I am not 100% positive. I think it was 0.8 in Modern Warfare 1/ Call of Duty 4. At least in the early days. It may have been patched.

2nd Chance has this invulnerability because if it did not have it, you would never fall and make it into 2nd chance. You would never get Last Stand/Final Stand/2nd Chance (these 3 things are all the same core mechanic with different features).

This mechanic frustrates some players. Removal or further reduction of the invulnerability would all but wipe the perk off the planet. I'm sure many people on these forums would be okay with that. We don't want to remove the Perk entirely. However, we are committed to working with people to tune it.

Ok. Know right this second any "Just remove the perk" replies are going to be ignored and get you blacklisted. I like interacting with the people who are engaging in civil dialog. If you like to nerd rage, scream, yell, or bounce out profanities be prepared to never discuss the game with a developer because that's all that will get you.

This said .... let's talk about what we are willing to do and get some polite and constructive feedback:

Some of this perk is handled in script. For example: a headshot means No 2nd Chance. Adding shotguns to that list is trivial and low risk. Something we would be willing to consider.

Some of this perk is handled in code. That automatically makes it more dangerous and risky. Any mistakes or desire to back out the changes would mean we need to wait for the next TU. It could be up to 6-8 weeks between TUs, so we just don't like making code changes for gameplay reasons.

We already test for certain types of damage (we call it MOD or means of death). This is why you can still knife someone "falling" and kill them. We would consider testing for other means of death such as fire, impact, explosive, impact, and possibly even sniper rifles.

In a sick way, 2nd chance is insurance against one hit kill weapons. It also rewards teamwork. This is partially why we are not prepared to flat out allow snipers to drop 2nd Chance users. As a sniper you have precision as your advantage so you can go for a headshot.

As a shotgun user, precision is not what you have. Headshots with shotguns is the very definition of chance and randomization. Shotguns are generally disadvantages over many other weapons except at extreme close ranges.

Treyarch COD games have usually had some type of "medic" sub-class, mechanic, or feature. We like that. We think the dynamic is interesting and can be rewarding. The intention of many perks is to create those dynamics. It's not to frustrate you for that one in a million ballistic knife shot where you ended up hitting him in the 0.5 seconds he was invulnerable. However, it's a "perk." Look up what perk means. It needs to offer something.

In summary:

-We are considering allowing shotgun users who do sufficient damage to a 2nd Chance user to put him out of his misery straight away

-- We would consider this because their is good precendt for it. Their are plenty of cases where you won't ever go into 2nd chance. Headshots and using objectives are good examples.

-We are considering allowing more items to be exempt from the "invulnerability frames."

-We are NOT going to remove the perk or flat out remove the "invulnerability."

-We are (still) considering other changes we listed in the gameplay thread (which was written before this post) including changing the revive time, making it so you can only be revived once, and perhaps changing who gets kill vs assist credit.

Discuss. Politely.

David 'Vahn' Vonderhaar

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Its replys like that, that makes you look like an immature kid and they're the exact type of replies he doesn't want.

Personally, I would say shorten the lenght of time before bleeding out.
Add a small bit of sway as suggested above.

If anyone here has ever played BFBC, the medic in that is perfect.
If you get shot enough, you die, but you're body will remain revivable.
If a medic sees your body within a certain time limit (15secs?) they can revive you, it will count as a kill for the other player, and it will still count as a death for you, but it will remove the "ticket" (similar to team score in TDM from the scoreboard. I can only see this working properly in TDM, but maybe if instead of removing the points, it will just remove the death of the player who got revived?
Oh and the best thing is you can't shoot while in "last stand".

Of course, this will never happen as it would be more of a plain revive than a last stand, but I agree with most of smokeythebears post except only people with second chance can revive, the pro version would become mostly useless as you rarely see more than one-two players per game using it, unless they're a clan.
So maybe a shorter revive time for people who also use second chance?

Second Chance, how about no second chance at all, because in real war there's no damn second chance.

hahahaha like there gonna fix the game. treyarch cant make a game 4 shit. infinity ward bitches

-I believe they should be in a dazed/stunned effect while they are in Second Chance. Simply make Second Chance aiming/ADS less stable.
-Or every time you move while being in Second Chance you lose blood/health.
-Tune the damage players (with Second Chance) receive and calculate if they should be awarded a Second Chance.
-While in the Second Chance state take away health regeneration.

I don't think Second Chance should totally be removed, I myself don't use it but it comes in handy for people trying to raise there KDR and other reasons. I think they should add SNIPER & SHOTGUNS to the exception if you get shot by either one of these your done no more second chance bye, bye your dead..LOL Moving on, I think you should make it so that person could only be revived by people using certain perks NOT THE SAME ONE but maybe a list of like 3 perks. Last and not least the .05 with me this could go either way I have been the victim of pumping spa's lead into people only to put them in 2nd to get killed by two bullets from a pistol but ehhhh they make a good point w/out this THERE NO POINT IN 2ND CHANCE I don't ever use it so if they remove it I won't miss it but a lot of people are going to be upset last thing 3ARC is trying to do is upset the SNIPERS & LAST stand/2nd chance users...:bye:

as i said the only thing is pisses me off about second chance is that some fgt gets the kill after i downed the guy... so i can just down him and keep going without having to finish him off.. the only way u can get a kill while ur in 2nd chance is when the guy who downed tries to finish u off... u know wut i mean..

i am a 2nd chance user myself thats why i know this the only way i can kill the guy who downed me is becus he has to aim at the floor to finish me off..

They did a much better job than you would ever be able to.
And made a much more balanced game than Infinity Ward, if there is one thing Treyarch do different to Infinity Ward is fix and support the game post launch.

And its they're, can't, and for.

I HATE this perk, but am I missing something, I never see this "invincible" period everybody else does

"support" ya sure thats y we r still freezing, lagging. i know ps3 doesnt get the best servers but this a joke. balance, its a video game its supposed 2 b fun not boring as fuk. because i recall when some1 is at war they dnt have 2 wait 15 sec to shoot a tube or call in air support. ppl that complain on this game cry because they care some bout they stats. there banning ppl 4 boostin. thats there god damn fault. if they ban me i'd sue. SUPPORT THE GAME. they treat psn users like shit