Post: Same killstreaks...every game.....
01-16-2012, 03:38 PM #1
X-Nothing-X
There's way Too Much..
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1. Stealth Bomber
2. EMP

Guns-
Type 95, silent. Striker, grip (Both guns need nerfed...BAD)
Lay prone on ground. Sit in corner, repeat.

Black op's Ruined how people play. Remember when running and knifing a guy would reward YOU...???

It's getting friggin old guys.... you almost HAVE to play with your team, cuz no one ever puts up UAV's, no one EVER runs assult cuz they SUCK to much to get 3 kills in a ROW.

I'm just ranting...but it's getting old....

It's sad...let's try maybe using something different....eh ?

/rant.
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01-19-2012, 12:44 AM #38
Porter_Justice
Cake is a lie
@ResistTheSun, according to everybody online most people camp so isn't that less reason to cater toward rushers???

Also to say the game requires no skill is false. The game takes more than guns,perks, camping vs rushing. Things like awareness, soundwhoring, playing with a party vs solo are big factors.

The game is easier to pick up and play than other FPS but that doesn't make the game void of skill. A Pulitzer Prize winning book will be a more intellectual read than say Playboy but you can't act as if needing the ability to read isn't there in both cases.

Originally posted by ResistTheSun View Post
That a good question......
Sorry for keeping it brief on "make the maps less campy" but this what i mean.

Reduce the number of lines of sights and bottlenecks.
Good example of a very campy map. Is Arkaden from MW3. I know what your thinking how is that map campy. Wellllll
B flag has a high number of lines of sights on it.
I count about 7

I know a couple spots on that map where you could stay and camp the lines of sights around B.
Also need to reduce the amount of hardcorners leading on to areas too. As for cover just make it chest high and you can't head glitch. I just want a game where the action keeps moving around the map and you need to keep control. Not just camp a coupel spots and win.


You're too good for this bro.

Camping is a tactic NOT an exploit. FPS games won't be catered to run and gunners. Rushing is a tactic. I play GW and avoid campy game modes myself however as annoying as camping is, it's not a game breaking issue nor something that needs to be addressed.

Contrary to what COD players want to believe, Sniper rifles and Assault Rifles,LMGs are made for medium to long range combat whixh is where long sightlines come into play. Most maps on MW3 have lots of close quarters where Shotguns, SMGs and rushing come into play.

You're normally pretty insighful with trying to add some sort of balancing. However this post is nothing more than, "I don't like campers so they should force everybody to rush."

I understand it's a videogame and it's annoying when people are hiding but believe it or not camping isn't some exploit. The amount of actual camping compared to people actually camping is a big gap. Things like UAV benefit the idea someone is campng more. If I see 3 red dots coming towards me, I'm much more likely to take them out by getting behind cover and surprising them. That is a strategy just like if I rushed out like Rambo.

It's one thing to say it's not fair certain shotguns take way too many bullets at close range to kill. It's another to say they should make the game more run and gun. It's like asking EA to eliminate deep passes so everyone had to run and offense. Or asking NBA games to eliminate dunking.

Rushing is a playing style. You can't force people to play a certain way. Doing so would make Snipers ir********. As you know I hate Support, but I'd be selfish and lying to pretend it's game breaking when in reality it's something I don't like.

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01-19-2012, 12:47 AM #39
xVii-
Big Sister
KSG12 + Specialist e'ryday
01-19-2012, 12:52 AM #40
Spazz-Killa
Do a barrel roll!
IW tried to put too much into a game thinking that it would make it better. Noob move.
01-19-2012, 01:11 AM #41
ResistTheSun
In Flames Much?
Originally posted by Justice View Post
You're too good for this bro.

Camping is a tactic NOT an exploit. FPS games won't be catered to run and gunners. Rushing is a tactic. I play GW and avoid campy game modes myself however as annoying as camping is, it's not a game breaking issue nor something that needs to be addressed.

Contrary to what COD players want to believe, Sniper rifles and Assault Rifles,LMGs are made for medium to long range combat whixh is where long sightlines come into play. Most maps on MW3 have lots of close quarters where Shotguns, SMGs and rushing come into play.

You're normally pretty insighful with trying to add some sort of balancing. However this post is nothing more than, "I don't like campers so they should force everybody to rush."

I understand it's a videogame and it's annoying when people are hiding but believe it or not camping isn't some exploit. The amount of actual camping compared to people actually camping is a big gap. Things like UAV benefit the idea someone is campng more. If I see 3 red dots coming towards me, I'm much more likely to take them out by getting behind cover and surprising them. That is a strategy just like if I rushed out like Rambo.

It's one thing to say it's not fair certain shotguns take way too many bullets at close range to kill. It's another to say they should make the game more run and gun. It's like asking EA to eliminate deep passes so everyone had to run and offense. Or asking NBA games to eliminate dunking.

Rushing is a playing style. You can't force people to play a certain way. Doing so would make Snipers ir********. As you know I hate Support, but I'd be selfish and lying to pretend it's game breaking when in reality it's something I don't like.


Am fine with camping as a tactic. However am not fine with shooters pushing for camping to be the only tactic to be used.
That my problem

That what COD does it forces everybody into the same playstyle in order to equal the skill gap. I would like to see a large number of playstyles appear.
Not just one.
As for it being a exploit no. Just playing the game how it was designed.

If you want me to tell you a exploit that easy. Drop shot....
The high weapon damage combined with no increase on weapon spread and instant drop makes it effective.

My playstyle is camping in this game.
Why because it how the game was designed. It cheap has no skill and makes me sad to see shooters are going that way.
Your example is camping in other games i could rush around that corner whoever had the better aim won. In COD it best to wait on a guy not bull rush him.

Just like you it something i don't like , it not game breaking until people abuse it. E.g dom when spawn camping and keeping them lines of sight helps you win the game.

Yes i do abuse it if IW put it in the game.
01-19-2012, 01:39 AM #42
Porter_Justice
Cake is a lie
^in all fairness when you use shotguns especially shitty shotguns your only chance at success is for people not to camp.

How does the game promote camping? If anything the amount of people running around with Strikers, Akimbo FMGs, and SMGs will make most players forced to camp.

I'm all about a game where you can run around and have 1v1 figts like BO. However I fear most of you want a game where everybody runs around dying every two kills and is a cluster****.

It's common sense really. The easiest way for us to get kills is if our opponents rush. If we are camping or rushing the only way kills are easier is if the enemy rushes.

If you're hiding in a corner camping,you'll have more success if the enemy is rushing instead of hiding too.

If you're running around with a USAS12(lmao) then you'll also have more success if the enemy is running around in sight as opposed to hiding. Although if you think his gun is "OP" you can still discredit him even thoug he was rushing...
01-19-2012, 06:12 PM #43
Originally posted by ResistTheSun View Post
That a good question......
Sorry for keeping it brief on "make the maps less campy" but this what i mean.

Reduce the number of lines of sights and bottlenecks.
Good example of a very campy map. Is Arkaden from MW3. I know what your thinking how is that map campy. Wellllll
B flag has a high number of lines of sights on it.
I count about 7

I know a couple spots on that map where you could stay and camp the lines of sights around B.
Also need to reduce the amount of hardcorners leading on to areas too. As for cover just make it chest high and you can't head glitch. I just want a game where the action keeps moving around the map and you need to keep control. Not just camp a coupel spots and win.

---------- Post added at 07:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:29 PM ----------



:P
Now do you see my point in COD being a game without skill ?

Do agree on the support spam the problem is.....i think that killstreaks in general should go.
Killstreak spam is a problem in my eyes no matter who it from.

In some ways support makes people want to take objectives when there little reward in doing so with the odds against them.
That irony the two design choices going against each other.

Saying that i never liked the idea of something taking me out of a fight :/


From that viewpoint I see what you mean, another good example is B flag on Lockdown, there's just so many lines of sight on that one. In my experience tho, I find people camp more on A and C flags but by now most players know the spots to look for. I think most of these maps are so small that most campers don't last long in one place so I don't have an issue with it, cheers.
01-19-2012, 06:43 PM #44
ResistTheSun
In Flames Much?
Originally posted by zomcarnage View Post
From that viewpoint I see what you mean, another good example is B flag on Lockdown, there's just so many lines of sight on that one. In my experience tho, I find people camp more on A and C flags but by now most players know the spots to look for. I think most of these maps are so small that most campers don't last long in one place so I don't have an issue with it, cheers.


Look at the map again....not just the flags and your see there soo many lines of sights it impossible to check them all.
Combined with the high damage weapons and the fact you die so fast why move off a line of sight ?
And radar why move
Camping is the best method

Yet how people don't see this i fail to understand maybe people have not played any shooters that was not made in the 90s idk

I understand why COD is made that way because well most people suck and COD makes it easy for people to do well.
But it got silly and makes the game not constant and a joke.
01-19-2012, 07:55 PM #45
xBruTaLiTy-
I defeated!
I always use: Predator, Strafe Run, Pave Low.
01-20-2012, 06:56 PM #46
This game is far from being balanced in any way. In fact it is the worst balanced COD ever. Assassin Pro is the GOD perk and the only way to counter it is Recon and Recon Pro, which still puts you at a disadvantage because you have to find the assassin pro guy to use it on him. Then you have the recon drone but no one on my team ever runs that and it last for what 1:00. Assassin pro makes you give up nothing to achieve that much stealth and then they can slap on dead silence pro to even reduce the effects of recon. Obviously Robert Bowling is the ultimate camper to think this was balanced.

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