Post: Does Earth′(Prime) Exist?
04-27-2010, 09:09 PM #1
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Alot of talk goes on about parallel universes, but for this debate we should focus on Earth. Do you believe that there is a such thing as Earth′ ? I mean it only seems reasonable since every tree has a root(in a general sense there's probably a type of tree that has no root, but I'm not a botanist so...) why would parallel universes be any different?

I guess it can be considered a paradox, but we could answer it simply with spontanous generation, which HAS been disproved by some scientists however it kind of HAD to occur at one time.
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04-28-2010, 12:55 AM #11
elfmotat
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Originally posted by EvilRip0306 View Post
I don't understand much big boy talk but I'll put it simply

But this may resemble an episode of Avengers

If we destroy our earth than any earths parallel to it would also be destroyed but reality would still exist.

If we destroy earth prime ALL of the parallel universes would be destroyed because that was the "original" earth. Every other earth was just a variation of it.

The question is, does that earth exist or is it only possible in theory


Then no, that wouldn't make any sense considering the Earth is only a collection of matter. It wasn't created all at once, therefore there can be no "prime." Any parallel branches would relate back to individual particles rather than a collection, such as Earth.
04-28-2010, 01:04 AM #12
well my idea is that the big bang was just the start
the big bang was caused by a giant beyond belief star that had a supernova
after that its remaining debris formed stars and repeated
some turning into planets and some stars
and that will go on forever
this is all just a theory but it seems pretty possible
because at the center of our galaxy it looks like something very big is there
but remember im just a young person and i guess making up a theory like that helps me process the thought of all that
04-28-2010, 01:10 AM #13
elfmotat
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Originally posted by PAyNe View Post
well my idea is that the big bang was just the start


This has what to do with what?

Originally posted by PAyNe View Post
the big bang was caused by a giant beyond belief star that had a supernova
after that its remaining debris formed stars and repeated
some turning into planets and some stars
and that will go on forever
this is all just a theory but it seems pretty possible


Do you have any clue what the Big Bang was, or are you just making this stuff up as you go along?

Originally posted by PAyNe View Post
because at the center of our galaxy it looks like something very big is there


It's called a supermassive black hole... every galaxy has one. This is only one of a few hundred billion galaxies, so I'm not really sure how that relates to anything you just said.

Originally posted by PAyNe View Post
but remember im just a young person and i guess making up a theory like that helps me process the thought of all that


It would probably help more if you learned what these things actually are instead of making up your own explanations.


Sorry if I came off as being mean, but I felt the need to jump in on this one.

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04-28-2010, 01:26 AM #14
Originally posted by elfmotat View Post
Then no, that wouldn't make any sense considering the Earth is only a collection of matter. It wasn't created all at once, therefore there can be no "prime." Any parallel branches would relate back to individual particles rather than a collection, such as Earth.


But wouldn't that mean that each particle would need a prime? And what if those prime particles had came to gather to make Earth, it could be considered Earth prime?

And even if a only single prime particle was destroyed that would destroy any parallel branch that the particle was located in.
04-28-2010, 01:29 AM #15
elfmotat
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Originally posted by EvilRip0306 View Post
But wouldn't that mean that each particle would need a prime? And what if those prime particles had came to gather to make Earth, it could be considered Earth prime?

And even if a only single prime particle was destroyed that would destroy any parallel branch that the particle was located in.


Particles can't be destroyed however Smile. It violates conservation of matter and energy.
04-28-2010, 01:41 AM #16
Haha Touché

But the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy states

"The Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, but can change its form."

What if the particle was moved or altered in a way which would cause Earth to cease to exist? That would dislocate all of the particles into different areas of the "prime" universe
04-28-2010, 01:55 AM #17
elfmotat
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Originally posted by EvilRip0306 View Post
Haha Touché

But the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy states

"The Law of Conservation of Energy states that energy cannot be created or destroyed, but can change its form."

What if the particle was moved or altered in a way which would cause Earth to cease to exist? That would dislocate all of the particles into different areas of the "prime" universe


The whole notion of the "prime" isn't really valid in the first place.

The theory goes that when a quantum wave collapses, the universe splits into two where one state exists in one branch an vice versa. The original particle no longer exists, and whatever you do to one has no effect on the other unless they are entangled, so the whole concept is flawed.
04-28-2010, 02:25 AM #18
Originally posted by elfmotat View Post
This has what to do with what?



Do you have any clue what the Big Bang was, or are you just making this stuff up as you go along?



It's called a supermassive black hole... every galaxy has one. This is only one of a few hundred billion galaxies, so I'm not really sure how that relates to anything you just said.



It would probably help more if you learned what these things actually are instead of making up your own explanations.


Sorry if I came off as being mean, but I felt the need to jump in on this one.


I actually dont know how that had any relevancy Not Happy or Sad
I guess 3 hours of sleep really takes its toll on you
i guess my mind got mixed up
ADD much?
isnt there a such thing as dark matter which is extremely reactive to normal matter
and some scientists believe that there are dark matter galaxies??
sorry but space and all is pretty complex
04-28-2010, 02:32 AM #19
Originally posted by elfmotat View Post
The whole notion of the "prime" isn't really valid in the first place.

The theory goes that when a quantum wave collapses, the universe splits into two where one state exists in one branch an vice versa. The original particle no longer exists, and whatever you do to one has no effect on the other unless they are entangled, so the whole concept is flawed.


Claps Makes sense, I really can't debate much when we start discussing quantum mechanics (if I'm even using the right term) since I don't have much knowledge of it. But based upon your knowledge of the subject it seems to make sense that an alteration of something in one universe would not have an effect on another universe.

Hopefully there is someone on NGU who can possibly counter your argument.:beer:

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