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05-19-2010, 08:04 PM
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FINANCIAL DISTRICT — Word of a 13-story mosque and community center slated to rise two blocks from the World Trade Center site has sparked strong reactions in the neighborhood and online.
Some are outraged: relatives of 9/11 victims are upset, some Islamic leaders are calling the center a mistake, and a You must login or register to view this content. Others say the center would provide much-needed services to the neighborhood.
Patrick Ashley, the founder of the Facebook group, hopes the mass objections will force the Cordoba Initiative, the group behind the center, to back off.
“I don’t have any problem with them building a mosque, just not so close to the site,” said Ashley, a stay-at-home father from Rochester, N.Y.
Mosque to Open Two Blocks From World Trade CenterA preliminary rendering of the 13-story Cordoba House on Park Place. (DNAinfo/Julie Shapiro)
“It’s saying, ‘We destroyed the Twin Towers and we’re planting our flag right there for the rest of the Islamic world to see.’”
Daisy Khan, executive director of the Cordoba Initiative, said the goal of the Cordoba House is to bridge the divide between the Muslim and non-Muslim world, while at the same time building a center the entire community can enjoy.
The $100 million center, named the "Cordoba House," would replace the shuttered Burlington Coat Factory building on Park Place, which was damaged on 9/11.
Khan said the Cordoba Initiative did not pick the site just because of its proximity to the World Trade Center.
“In New York City, it’s not that easy to find real estate,” she said. “This was the right kind of footprint — height, width, what we could build. We didn’t say, ‘We have to be right next to the memorial.’”
The objections to the Cordoba House could likely come to a head at Community Board 1’s next meeting May 25. The board’s Financial District Committee unanimously supported the mosque last week, and since then the board has become a target, too.
Mosque Moves In Two Blocks From World Trade CenterThe Burlington Coat Factory building on Park Place, where the Cordoba Initiative hopes to build a $100 million Islamic cultural center. (DNAinfo/Julie Shapiro)
Ro Sheffe, chairman of the Financial District Committee, said the Cordoba House will be much more than a mosque — it will also offer secular events and provide the community with a much-needed theater, gym and pool.
Sheffe also pointed out that a mosque near the World Trade Center is nothing new — a smaller mosque on West Broadway about 10 blocks north of the site has been holding services since long before 9/11.
The Cordoba Initiative currently has all the rights and permissions it needs to build the mosque and community center, so even if politicians wanted to hold up the plans, there would be little they could do.
Some of downtown’s leaders, including Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and CB1 Chairwoman Julie Menin, are keeping quiet on the issue. They both say they want to hear more from the community before taking a position.
For many local residents and workers, the issue is more practical than political.
“You need something like that around here,” said Tyrone Gamble, 38, manager at Uncle Mike’s bar around the corner from the Cordoba House.
TriBeCa could use an affordable community center, “instead of all these expensive gyms,” Gamble said.
The Cordoba Initiative hopes to hold one-on-one meetings with those concerned about the project and is accepting requests at [email][email protected][/email].
Some are outraged: relatives of 9/11 victims are upset, some Islamic leaders are calling the center a mistake, and a You must login or register to view this content. Others say the center would provide much-needed services to the neighborhood.
Patrick Ashley, the founder of the Facebook group, hopes the mass objections will force the Cordoba Initiative, the group behind the center, to back off.
“I don’t have any problem with them building a mosque, just not so close to the site,” said Ashley, a stay-at-home father from Rochester, N.Y.
Mosque to Open Two Blocks From World Trade CenterA preliminary rendering of the 13-story Cordoba House on Park Place. (DNAinfo/Julie Shapiro)
“It’s saying, ‘We destroyed the Twin Towers and we’re planting our flag right there for the rest of the Islamic world to see.’”
Daisy Khan, executive director of the Cordoba Initiative, said the goal of the Cordoba House is to bridge the divide between the Muslim and non-Muslim world, while at the same time building a center the entire community can enjoy.
The $100 million center, named the "Cordoba House," would replace the shuttered Burlington Coat Factory building on Park Place, which was damaged on 9/11.
Khan said the Cordoba Initiative did not pick the site just because of its proximity to the World Trade Center.
“In New York City, it’s not that easy to find real estate,” she said. “This was the right kind of footprint — height, width, what we could build. We didn’t say, ‘We have to be right next to the memorial.’”
The objections to the Cordoba House could likely come to a head at Community Board 1’s next meeting May 25. The board’s Financial District Committee unanimously supported the mosque last week, and since then the board has become a target, too.
Mosque Moves In Two Blocks From World Trade CenterThe Burlington Coat Factory building on Park Place, where the Cordoba Initiative hopes to build a $100 million Islamic cultural center. (DNAinfo/Julie Shapiro)
Ro Sheffe, chairman of the Financial District Committee, said the Cordoba House will be much more than a mosque — it will also offer secular events and provide the community with a much-needed theater, gym and pool.
Sheffe also pointed out that a mosque near the World Trade Center is nothing new — a smaller mosque on West Broadway about 10 blocks north of the site has been holding services since long before 9/11.
The Cordoba Initiative currently has all the rights and permissions it needs to build the mosque and community center, so even if politicians wanted to hold up the plans, there would be little they could do.
Some of downtown’s leaders, including Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver and CB1 Chairwoman Julie Menin, are keeping quiet on the issue. They both say they want to hear more from the community before taking a position.
For many local residents and workers, the issue is more practical than political.
“You need something like that around here,” said Tyrone Gamble, 38, manager at Uncle Mike’s bar around the corner from the Cordoba House.
TriBeCa could use an affordable community center, “instead of all these expensive gyms,” Gamble said.
The Cordoba Initiative hopes to hold one-on-one meetings with those concerned about the project and is accepting requests at [email][email protected][/email].
So they want to build not one...but 2 ****ing mosques within a block of ground zero. I'm all for religious freedom but this is just ****ing crossing the line.
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05-19-2010, 09:29 PM
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05-19-2010, 09:34 PM
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05-19-2010, 09:36 PM
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THE_JoKeR
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Originally posted by Why
Since WHEN DOES THE Quran say GO AND KILL PEOPLE
I dunno.
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"Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them." 4:89
"Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil." 4:76
"Oppose and admonish those who refuse to follow Muhammad." 4:63
"Believers fight for Allah; disbelievers fight for the devil. So fight the minions of the devil." 4:76
"Oppose and admonish those who refuse to follow Muhammad." 4:63
05-19-2010, 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by Why
Since WHEN DOES THE Quran say GO AND KILL PEOPLE
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41
O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51
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05-19-2010, 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by Why
Since WHEN DOES THE Quran say GO AND KILL PEOPLE
(9:5-6)But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them
Calling for the murder of "infidels," and only sparing them if they convert to Islam.
[ame=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=966WFdC48PE]YouTube - Mosque Built at Ground Zero...[/ame]
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05-19-2010, 10:02 PM
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