Post: Should there be a mosque built near ground zero?
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05-21-2010, 12:02 AM
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DirtyDudeOnline
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Positives:
- Place of religious worship.
- Also serves as a community center (gym, pool, theater, etc.)
- Shows America is religiously tolerant.
Negatives
- Near the site of 9/11.
- Can be seen as a "flag" declaring the Muslims are proud of what they did.
- It may cause people longer to forget about 9/11.
Discuss.
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05-21-2010, 04:56 AM
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itzbigant91
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05-21-2010, 05:47 AM
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~pocketemo~
Ex-Console Gamer
Originally posted by another user
Would you put a statue of Hitler near Auschwitz? It's basically a symbol that Islam has conquered through terrorism.
No thats different because it is a place of worship and has nothing to do with terrorism or what happened on 911 except that the people involved were of said faith.
A statue of hitler since he was the cause of the whole events of ww2 so is different. thats like saying that all germans are nazi because hitler & his followers were we all know there not, so how can we say all muslims are like that one group.
A statue of osama would be a symbol not a this, hell maybe he ate at burger king so better not let one of those be built.
Originally posted by another user
We deserved to have thousands of innocent people slaughtered? I know people who died that day, and chances are you probably don't. Sure you can say that, sitting comfortably from your chair, but I doubt you'd have the balls to say that in front of a victim's family member.
I don't know anyone no and I truly feel for them and their families,
I am just saying it happens on both sides. innocent is innocent its ok
that the usa slaughtered a hell of a lot more in countries around the world
on purpose or by accident hell they even like bombing each other they don't care.
Originally posted by another user
only a small minority of Nazi Party members killed people - most were simply in it for economic reasons - yet I doubt you would condone a Nazi Party branch being constructed two blocks from a concentration camp.
Again this really has nothing to do with a place of worship as the nazi party promote racism and all its members have the same mind set. a mosque
teaches the muslim faith not the beliefs of osama.
Originally posted by another user
This has what to do with what? First of all, if you think that most Americans like our presence in the Middle-East, then you're just ignorant. Regardless, are you saying that innocent Americans should be slaughtered because of our government's actions? An eye for an eye just leaves everyone blind.
I know not all americans are the same I know a lot of you and their well most a cool. But as long as thats whats your government and media displays you
as thats what you are.
propaganda in the media is used more today to control the masses then it ever
was in the past & sadly the majority of people rely on the media for their information rather then actually think and make their own conclusions.
Originally posted by another user
Anti-American bigotry FTW!!! Grouping all Americans together as the same is the same logic that got 6 million Jews murdered. Are you starting to see a recurring theme yet?
I never grouped americans together I said its how your promoted, But americans on the other hand are grouping muslims by the actions of one group.
Originally posted by another user
But he IS a terrorist... by definition. He uses tactics of fear to persuade people - terrorism
So are you saying that you think Osama was just in his actions?
So are you saying that you think Osama was just in his actions?
Yes he is a terrorist to your country, but he is nothing like hitler if I had to compare him to someone José Doroteo Arango Arámbula (poncho villa)
as does castro, they don't want to kill all whites just be left alone.
All 3 of the men above said enough and did what they thought they had to do
Im not saying there the right actions just they had cause.
An eye for an eye is sometimes your only option when all else has failed.
Originally posted by another user
Yes, now it's our fault it happened. That's the biggest scapegoat I've ever heard. Clearly there was a direct line from our government promoting its ideals in other countries and the slaughter of thousands.
If your government stayed out of other countries affairs things would be different,
But american likes to be part of ever decision be part of ever civil war & Rebelion
and most of all likes to dictate what other countries can & can't do.
America doesn't run the would people get tired of it acting like it does.
Its sad people get hurt and that people not involved get hurt.
But you can't expect that its ok for your country to do these thing and not have it returned. And you certainty can not hate all muslims and deny the their faith
just because a follower of that faith committed a horrible act.
Originally posted by another user
It's not about their religion, it's the fact that it's symbol of the ideology that demolished both the WTC and the building where the mosque is supposed to be built - in a similar fashion that a US embassy in the middle of, say, Hiroshima would be entirely disrespectful. The point is that it looks like they are marking their territory.
A mosque doesn't teach terrorism or violence it teaches the muslim faith
which is actually quite peaceful & strict
Its is not a symbol stop comparing it to things that have no relevance, the catholic church murdered millions theres one on every block in every country.
The catholic church is extremely more violent then the muslims, hell how many crusades were there because they had to save the holy land?.
So if you must compare thats the area you should be thinking but even then as history shows the catholics are way more dangerous.
Have a read in to the muslim faith & you'll see it has no relevance to 911 except
it happened to be the religion of those involved.
It was your government getting into things it shouldn't, Its not the people as
from all I hear most of you are not happy with how your government works.
So why hate a mosque let them build it and worship, them like you can not control what their leaders do.
On a side note hitler was a very intelligent man a lot of his ideas were revolutionary. Had he not been intent on world domination & a master race
he probably would have been a great leader.
But hitler was a psycho osama is just like José Doroteo Arango Arámbula is a revolutionary & freedom fighter if poncho had osamas resources what you think
he would have done?
poncho even though an enemy of the us at that time and committed acts of terror. yet today even americans respect him.
You have every right to hate osama for what he did to you because you are an innocent and you didn't do anything so yeah, but not muslims their just like you getting caught in the cross fire of your leaders stupidity.
Why because our leaders do something must we all be blamed when in most cases the people totally disagree with the choice .
If the wanna build a statue of osama I'll support you in not wanting it but not a mosque.
please read into the muslim faith I assure you it does not represent promote
or teach terrorism or violence.
05-21-2010, 11:33 AM
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xinfectedsoulx
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No. It's just disrespectful in many ways. It's like a bunch of extreme Christians blowing up a famous landmark in Pakistan, and then non extremist Christians building a church right next door. No way in hell would they like that idea. Why should it be the other way around. For one, do they even have churches or cathedrals in Pakistan?
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05-22-2010, 06:33 PM
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DirtyDudeOnline
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Originally posted by elfmotat
Would you put a statue of Hitler near Auschwitz? It's basically a symbol that Islam has conquered through terrorism.
Yea but a statue doesn't cost $100,000,000.00...
We deserved to have thousands of innocent people slaughtered? I know people who died that day, and chances are you probably don't. Sure you can say that, sitting comfortably from your chair, but I doubt you'd have the balls to say that in front of a victim's family member.
That was the mosque's fault? The mosque sent the planes into the the twin towers? I wouldn't have the balls to say in front of a victim's family member to say "get over it," nor would I want to but in front of all of America I certainly would want to and do so as well. People got over Pearl Harbor faster than this tragedy. Yes it was a tragedy but its been almost nine years of people needing a justification to go into the middle east and **** shit up.
Only a small minority of Nazi Party members killed people - most were simply in it for economic reasons - yet I doubt you would condone a Nazi Party branch being constructed two blocks from a concentration camp.
Oh, yea, Muslims are Nazis now. :angel:
This has what to do with what? First of all, if you think that most Americans like our presence in the Middle-East, then you're just ignorant. Regardless, are you saying that innocent Americans should be slaughtered because of our government's actions? An eye for an eye just leaves everyone blind.
You're accusing him of going off topic when you're talking about Nazi's, Jews, Concentration Camps, and Hitler? :rolleyes:
Innocent American's shouldn't be slaughtered because of our government's actions, they should just see it coming. What response would America have if Iraqi troops invaded our country? How many innocent civilians have been killed in the Middle-East? Karma.
Anti-American bigotry FTW!!! Grouping all Americans together as the same is the same logic that got 6 million Jews murdered. Are you starting to see a recurring theme yet?
Anti-Islam bigotry FTW!!! In your argument at first you promote prejudice within your statements and now you're against it? Grouping all Muslims together is the same logic that got six million Jews murdered.
But he IS a terrorist... by definition. He uses tactics of fear to persuade people - terrorism.
A mosque IS a place of worship NOT a flag of conquering America... by definition. A temple or place of worship - Mosque.
So are you saying that you think Osama was just in his actions?
For his people, was he not? Was America just in killing Saddam Hussein? Yes. In the mind of the Iraqis? No.
Yes, now it's our fault it happened. That's the biggest scapegoat I've ever heard. Clearly there was a direct line from our government promoting its ideals in other countries and the slaughter of thousands.
Not a scapegoat, why do you think the people of the Middle-East hate America? This may be a long-shot but I think it has something to do with invading them with no logical purpose for us to do so.
It's not about their religion, it's the fact that it's symbol of the ideology that demolished both the WTC and the building where the mosque is supposed to be built - in a similar fashion that a US embassy in the middle of, say, Hiroshima would be entirely disrespectful. The point is that it looks like they are marking their territory.
If it is not about their religion then why can't they worship it two blocks from where an event nine years ago occurred? Is the person who's just trying to make his religion more easily accessible to worship by a large community present in that area also involved in 9/11?
Yea but a statue doesn't cost $100,000,000.00...
We deserved to have thousands of innocent people slaughtered? I know people who died that day, and chances are you probably don't. Sure you can say that, sitting comfortably from your chair, but I doubt you'd have the balls to say that in front of a victim's family member.
That was the mosque's fault? The mosque sent the planes into the the twin towers? I wouldn't have the balls to say in front of a victim's family member to say "get over it," nor would I want to but in front of all of America I certainly would want to and do so as well. People got over Pearl Harbor faster than this tragedy. Yes it was a tragedy but its been almost nine years of people needing a justification to go into the middle east and **** shit up.
Only a small minority of Nazi Party members killed people - most were simply in it for economic reasons - yet I doubt you would condone a Nazi Party branch being constructed two blocks from a concentration camp.
Oh, yea, Muslims are Nazis now. :angel:
This has what to do with what? First of all, if you think that most Americans like our presence in the Middle-East, then you're just ignorant. Regardless, are you saying that innocent Americans should be slaughtered because of our government's actions? An eye for an eye just leaves everyone blind.
You're accusing him of going off topic when you're talking about Nazi's, Jews, Concentration Camps, and Hitler? :rolleyes:
Innocent American's shouldn't be slaughtered because of our government's actions, they should just see it coming. What response would America have if Iraqi troops invaded our country? How many innocent civilians have been killed in the Middle-East? Karma.
Anti-American bigotry FTW!!! Grouping all Americans together as the same is the same logic that got 6 million Jews murdered. Are you starting to see a recurring theme yet?
Anti-Islam bigotry FTW!!! In your argument at first you promote prejudice within your statements and now you're against it? Grouping all Muslims together is the same logic that got six million Jews murdered.
But he IS a terrorist... by definition. He uses tactics of fear to persuade people - terrorism.
A mosque IS a place of worship NOT a flag of conquering America... by definition. A temple or place of worship - Mosque.
So are you saying that you think Osama was just in his actions?
For his people, was he not? Was America just in killing Saddam Hussein? Yes. In the mind of the Iraqis? No.
Yes, now it's our fault it happened. That's the biggest scapegoat I've ever heard. Clearly there was a direct line from our government promoting its ideals in other countries and the slaughter of thousands.
Not a scapegoat, why do you think the people of the Middle-East hate America? This may be a long-shot but I think it has something to do with invading them with no logical purpose for us to do so.
It's not about their religion, it's the fact that it's symbol of the ideology that demolished both the WTC and the building where the mosque is supposed to be built - in a similar fashion that a US embassy in the middle of, say, Hiroshima would be entirely disrespectful. The point is that it looks like they are marking their territory.
If it is not about their religion then why can't they worship it two blocks from where an event nine years ago occurred? Is the person who's just trying to make his religion more easily accessible to worship by a large community present in that area also involved in 9/11?
I don't promote the building of the mosque there but I don't also think it should be restricted... Stop crying over 9/11, I don't really give a shit if someone you knew died there nine years ago. I only have sympathy for you if you keep it to yourself not bitch about it for nine years and counting. You don't see people trying to kill "God" because their parents died nine years ago?
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05-22-2010, 08:35 PM
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elfmotat
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Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
Yea but a statue doesn't cost $100,000,000.00...
And that has what to do with what? Would you prefer it if my analogy was of a 10-story Hitler shrine where neo-nazi's go to worship their leader?
Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
That was the mosque's fault? The mosque sent the planes into the the twin towers?
That's just dishonest twisting of my words. That wasn't what I said, meant or inferred and you know it. What I said was the faith that the mosque represents was the catalyst for the destruction of the building that once stood in its place. In other words, it looks like they're marking their territory.
Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
I wouldn't have the balls to say in front of a victim's family member to say "get over it," nor would I want to but in front of all of America I certainly would want to and do so as well. People got over Pearl Harbor faster than this tragedy. Yes it was a tragedy but its been almost nine years of people needing a justification to go into the middle east and **** shit up.
What? Why should people get over it? Would you like somebody to murder one of your family members so that we can time how fast it takes you to get over it? No?
If you think for a second that I agree with our military's presence in the middle-east, then you know nothing about me. I never used 9/11 as a "justification to go... and **** shit up," so please stop making things up.
Let me guess, now you're going to respond by saying, "I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the majority of Americans." If this is the case, then first of all make it ****ing clear what you mean. Second the majority of Americans don't support the "War on Terror" so please stop making shit up.
Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
Oh, yea, Muslims are Nazis now.
Yes, that's EXACTLY what I said. Well done sir. (Btw, you may want to look into these new things called analogies. I hear they're really cool. What are you going to respond with, a mocking of my joke-making skills as a substitute for lack of content? Well at least I'm not the one dishonestly putting words into people's mouths.)
Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
You're accusing him of going off topic when you're talking about Nazi's, Jews, Concentration Camps, and Hitler?
ANALOGY - Please look it up.
Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
Innocent American's shouldn't be slaughtered because of our government's actions, they should just see it coming.
Let's say you elect a new mayor of your town. He passes a bill that allows for the persecution of anyone who participates in an online community with the alias "elfmotat." I respond by murdering a few dozen people from your town with no direct affiliation to the creation or passing of the bill, you all just happen to live there - yourself included. It's not my fault though, right? You all should have seen it coming.
Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
What response would America have if Iraqi troops invaded our country? How many innocent civilians have been killed in the Middle-East? Karma.
Karma is not real. Sorry if I just dropped a bombshell on your stone-age superstitions, but it's not. If you think that innocent people should be killed in response to other innocent people being killed, you're just a sick excuse for a human being.
Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
Anti-Islam bigotry FTW!!! In your argument at first you promote prejudice within your statements and now you're against it? Grouping all Muslims together is the same logic that got six million Jews murdered.
1. Show me any instance in which I promoted prejudice in any way, shape or form.
2. Show me any instance in which I grouped Muslims together, or even inferred it.
Can't do either? Really? It's because it didn't happen, so STOP MAKING SHIT UP!
Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
A mosque IS a place of worship NOT a flag of conquering America... by definition. A temple or place of worship - Mosque.
No, it's clearly not a physical flag, but it can be perceived as a symbolic one - which is the whole point of this post.
Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
For his people, was he not? Was America just in killing Saddam Hussein? Yes. In the mind of the Iraqis? No.
No, he wasn't justified at all from either perspective. There is simply no excuse for killing innocent people - yes that includes the US. And if you knew anything you would know nearly all Iraqi people hated Saddam.
Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
Not a scapegoat, why do you think the people of the Middle-East hate America? This may be a long-shot but I think it has something to do with invading them with no logical purpose for us to do so.
Yes, they hate America because of our governments actions therefore they are justified in killing our innocent people. Thank you for your insight.
(Let me guess, you're going to respond by saying now I'M the one putting words in people's mouths. Please read what you said back to yourself and tell me that's not what it infers.)
Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
If it is not about their religion then why can't they worship it two blocks from where an event nine years ago occurred?
Because of what it represents. The same way a Hutu club building would not be tolerated near a Tutsi memorial. It doesn't mean all Hutus killed people or supported violence, it's simply not an appropriate location. They have every right to be Muslim, worship their god, etc., but the location is simply inappropriate.
You seem to think that by stopping the building from being located there I'm somehow supporting the illegalization of Islam, or something to that effect. Stop taking things in black and white terms.
Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
Is the person who's just trying to make his religion more easily accessible to worship by a large community present in that area also involved in 9/11?
Is the person who sees a problem with invoking painful memories and representing the majority of New Yorkers by necessity saying that anyone who practices Islam was involved in 9/11? Get your head out of your ass please.
Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
I don't promote the building of the mosque there but I don't also think it should be restricted... Stop crying over 9/11, I don't really give a shit if someone you knew died there nine years ago. I only have sympathy for you if you keep it to yourself not bitch about it for nine years and counting.
Like I said before, nobody is going to forget. Not for a while at least. Nobody cares who you do and don't have sympathy for.
Originally posted by DirtyDudeOnline
You don't see people trying to kill "God" because their parents died nine years ago?
What? Is that what you think this is about? Symbolically killing God? Stop thinking grandiose and live in reality.
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05-23-2010, 05:59 AM
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DirtyDudeOnline
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Originally posted by elfmotat
And that has what to do with what? Would you prefer it if my analogy was of a 10-story Hitler shrine where neo-nazi's go to worship their leader?
Oh I'm sorry I figured you would know how to put two and two together or at least know the facts of what you're talking about.
Nobody puts a mosque in an area as a "flag proving Muslims ****ing owned America and they won" while spending $100,000,000.00 on it, it obviously serves other purposed, LIKE ****ING USING IT FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES. Get your head out of your ass please.
That's just dishonest twisting of my words. That wasn't what I said, meant or inferred and you know it. What I said was the faith that the mosque represents was the catalyst for the destruction of the building that once stood in its place. In other words, it looks like they're marking their territory.
Yea a plane crashing into a building and building a temple for worship are COMPLETELY ****ING RELATED right? It doesn't represent anything but a mosque, unless of course you want to be an ignorant cunnt.
What? Why should people get over it? Would you like somebody to murder one of your family members so that we can time how fast it takes you to get over it? No?
People should get over it because that's what the **** you do in life. What does my family member have anything to do with getting over a life that was lost? My cousin was recently "murdered" by a drunk driver four years ago, do I remorse over it everyday? No.
If you think for a second that I agree with our military's presence in the middle-east, then you know nothing about me. I never used 9/11 as a "justification to go... and **** shit up," so please stop making things up.
Let me guess, now you're going to respond by saying, "I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the majority of Americans." If this is the case, then first of all make it ****ing clear what you mean. Second the majority of Americans don't support the "War on Terror" so please stop making shit up.
Don't tell me I'm making shit up when you're putting random shit in my mouth then pulling it back out and telling me to stop making random shit up, that's just ****ing pathetic. Where exactly did I state the majority of Americans support the "War on Terror," can't find it? THAT'S BECAUSE I DIDN'T ****ING SAY IT DUMB****. Where did I say state YOUR views on the current military presence? I DIDN'T. Please ****ing stop making shit up. I was referring to our political leaders when I said there are those who need justification for invasion to the Middle-East. Learn to infer please? Thanks.
Yes, that's EXACTLY what I said. Well done sir. (Btw, you may want to look into these new things called analogies. I hear they're really cool. What are you going to respond with, a mocking of my joke-making skills as a substitute for lack of content? Well at least I'm not the one dishonestly putting words into people's mouths.)
Hmm, comparing Nazis to Muslims, perfect two compatibilities for analogies unless compared to as complete opposites. You may know what analogies are but you sure as **** don't know how to use them. (Btw, you may want to look into how the ****ing use analogies. I hear they're really cool if your not a dumb**** and actually know how to use them.)
ANALOGY - Please look it up.
HYPOCRITE - Please look it up.
You mock ~pocketemo~ for using analogies that compare the Middle-East people to the United States invading the Middle-East yet you call it an analogy when you compare a group that killed millions upon millions of people to a plane destroying a building. Yeah, I think you're the one that needs to look up analogy. Try looking up hypocrite too if you have enough time.
Let's say you elect a new mayor of your town. He passes a bill that allows for the persecution of anyone who participates in an online community with the alias "elfmotat." I respond by murdering a few dozen people from your town with no direct affiliation to the creation or passing of the bill, you all just happen to live there - yourself included. It's not my fault though, right? You all should have seen it coming.
Exactly.
Karma is not real. Sorry if I just dropped a bombshell on your stone-age superstitions, but it's not. If you think that innocent people should be killed in response to other innocent people being killed, you're just a sick excuse for a human being.
I never stated it was. I was using it as the belief the sometimes bad shit happens to you if you do bad shit. Where did I state I think innocents SHOULD be killed if innocents are killed? I just said it happens, the power to do it isn't my choice but it does happen. Please step out of your box and enter the real world now.
1. Show me any instance in which I promoted prejudice in any way, shape or form.
2. Show me any instance in which I grouped Muslims together, or even inferred it.
Can't do either? Really? It's because it didn't happen, so STOP MAKING SHIT UP!
No, it's clearly not a physical flag, but it can be perceived as a symbolic one - which is the whole point of this post.
OK then how about we don't perceive shit?
No, he wasn't justified at all from either perspective. There is simply no excuse for killing innocent people - yes that includes the US. And if you knew anything you would know nearly all Iraqi people hated Saddam.
Hey GhandiV2 I have a message for you, THE WORLD ISN'T ****ING PERFECT. Are you like a ****ing hippy or some shit? I don't think you understand world peace is possible.
Yes, they hate America because of our governments actions therefore they are justified in killing our innocent people. Thank you for your insight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War You have a lot of reading to do.
(Let me guess, you're going to respond by saying now I'M the one putting words in people's mouths. Please read what you said back to yourself and tell me that's not what it infers.)
T-H-A-T-'-S N-O-T W-H-A-T I-T I-N-F-E-R-S. Just because you predicted I would accuse you of putting shit in my mouth because you know you did doesn't make you one step ahead of me. It just proves you put shit in my mouth. So please stop putting shit in my mouth.
Because of what it represents. The same way a Hutu club building would not be tolerated near a Tutsi memorial. It doesn't mean all Hutus killed people or supported violence, it's simply not an appropriate location. They have every right to be Muslim, worship their god, etc., but the location is simply inappropriate.
Comparing primitive African tribes that attempted to commit genocide on one another recently to 9/11? Yeah, you're amazing at using analogies.
You seem to think that by stopping the building from being located there I'm somehow supporting the illegalization of Islam, or something to that effect. Stop taking things in black and white terms.
WHUR DAH **** DID I SUY DAT? No where. Stop making shit up.
Is the person who sees a problem with invoking painful memories and representing the majority of New Yorkers by necessity saying that anyone who practices Islam was involved in 9/11? Get your head out of your ass please.
By your logic nobody should be allowed to wear a Muslim prayer cap in the city of New York because it invokes painful memories.
Like I said before, nobody is going to forget. Not for a while at least. Nobody cares who you do and don't have sympathy for.
Nobody cares for those who want a reason to cry over something, hence you and everyone else that still remorse's over 9/11.
What? Is that what you think this is about? Symbolically killing God? Stop thinking grandiose and live in reality.
You said analogy at least three times in your counter argument yet you don't know what it means yourself.
Oh I'm sorry I figured you would know how to put two and two together or at least know the facts of what you're talking about.
Nobody puts a mosque in an area as a "flag proving Muslims ****ing owned America and they won" while spending $100,000,000.00 on it, it obviously serves other purposed, LIKE ****ING USING IT FOR RELIGIOUS PURPOSES. Get your head out of your ass please.
That's just dishonest twisting of my words. That wasn't what I said, meant or inferred and you know it. What I said was the faith that the mosque represents was the catalyst for the destruction of the building that once stood in its place. In other words, it looks like they're marking their territory.
Yea a plane crashing into a building and building a temple for worship are COMPLETELY ****ING RELATED right? It doesn't represent anything but a mosque, unless of course you want to be an ignorant cunnt.
What? Why should people get over it? Would you like somebody to murder one of your family members so that we can time how fast it takes you to get over it? No?
People should get over it because that's what the **** you do in life. What does my family member have anything to do with getting over a life that was lost? My cousin was recently "murdered" by a drunk driver four years ago, do I remorse over it everyday? No.
If you think for a second that I agree with our military's presence in the middle-east, then you know nothing about me. I never used 9/11 as a "justification to go... and **** shit up," so please stop making things up.
Let me guess, now you're going to respond by saying, "I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the majority of Americans." If this is the case, then first of all make it ****ing clear what you mean. Second the majority of Americans don't support the "War on Terror" so please stop making shit up.
Don't tell me I'm making shit up when you're putting random shit in my mouth then pulling it back out and telling me to stop making random shit up, that's just ****ing pathetic. Where exactly did I state the majority of Americans support the "War on Terror," can't find it? THAT'S BECAUSE I DIDN'T ****ING SAY IT DUMB****. Where did I say state YOUR views on the current military presence? I DIDN'T. Please ****ing stop making shit up. I was referring to our political leaders when I said there are those who need justification for invasion to the Middle-East. Learn to infer please? Thanks.
Yes, that's EXACTLY what I said. Well done sir. (Btw, you may want to look into these new things called analogies. I hear they're really cool. What are you going to respond with, a mocking of my joke-making skills as a substitute for lack of content? Well at least I'm not the one dishonestly putting words into people's mouths.)
Hmm, comparing Nazis to Muslims, perfect two compatibilities for analogies unless compared to as complete opposites. You may know what analogies are but you sure as **** don't know how to use them. (Btw, you may want to look into how the ****ing use analogies. I hear they're really cool if your not a dumb**** and actually know how to use them.)
ANALOGY - Please look it up.
HYPOCRITE - Please look it up.
You mock ~pocketemo~ for using analogies that compare the Middle-East people to the United States invading the Middle-East yet you call it an analogy when you compare a group that killed millions upon millions of people to a plane destroying a building. Yeah, I think you're the one that needs to look up analogy. Try looking up hypocrite too if you have enough time.
Let's say you elect a new mayor of your town. He passes a bill that allows for the persecution of anyone who participates in an online community with the alias "elfmotat." I respond by murdering a few dozen people from your town with no direct affiliation to the creation or passing of the bill, you all just happen to live there - yourself included. It's not my fault though, right? You all should have seen it coming.
Exactly.
Karma is not real. Sorry if I just dropped a bombshell on your stone-age superstitions, but it's not. If you think that innocent people should be killed in response to other innocent people being killed, you're just a sick excuse for a human being.
I never stated it was. I was using it as the belief the sometimes bad shit happens to you if you do bad shit. Where did I state I think innocents SHOULD be killed if innocents are killed? I just said it happens, the power to do it isn't my choice but it does happen. Please step out of your box and enter the real world now.
1. Show me any instance in which I promoted prejudice in any way, shape or form.
2. Show me any instance in which I grouped Muslims together, or even inferred it.
Can't do either? Really? It's because it didn't happen, so STOP MAKING SHIT UP!
No, it's clearly not a physical flag, but it can be perceived as a symbolic one - which is the whole point of this post.
OK then how about we don't perceive shit?
No, he wasn't justified at all from either perspective. There is simply no excuse for killing innocent people - yes that includes the US. And if you knew anything you would know nearly all Iraqi people hated Saddam.
Hey GhandiV2 I have a message for you, THE WORLD ISN'T ****ING PERFECT. Are you like a ****ing hippy or some shit? I don't think you understand world peace is possible.
Yes, they hate America because of our governments actions therefore they are justified in killing our innocent people. Thank you for your insight.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War You have a lot of reading to do.
(Let me guess, you're going to respond by saying now I'M the one putting words in people's mouths. Please read what you said back to yourself and tell me that's not what it infers.)
T-H-A-T-'-S N-O-T W-H-A-T I-T I-N-F-E-R-S. Just because you predicted I would accuse you of putting shit in my mouth because you know you did doesn't make you one step ahead of me. It just proves you put shit in my mouth. So please stop putting shit in my mouth.
Because of what it represents. The same way a Hutu club building would not be tolerated near a Tutsi memorial. It doesn't mean all Hutus killed people or supported violence, it's simply not an appropriate location. They have every right to be Muslim, worship their god, etc., but the location is simply inappropriate.
Comparing primitive African tribes that attempted to commit genocide on one another recently to 9/11? Yeah, you're amazing at using analogies.
You seem to think that by stopping the building from being located there I'm somehow supporting the illegalization of Islam, or something to that effect. Stop taking things in black and white terms.
WHUR DAH **** DID I SUY DAT? No where. Stop making shit up.
Is the person who sees a problem with invoking painful memories and representing the majority of New Yorkers by necessity saying that anyone who practices Islam was involved in 9/11? Get your head out of your ass please.
By your logic nobody should be allowed to wear a Muslim prayer cap in the city of New York because it invokes painful memories.
Like I said before, nobody is going to forget. Not for a while at least. Nobody cares who you do and don't have sympathy for.
Nobody cares for those who want a reason to cry over something, hence you and everyone else that still remorse's over 9/11.
What? Is that what you think this is about? Symbolically killing God? Stop thinking grandiose and live in reality.
You said analogy at least three times in your counter argument yet you don't know what it means yourself.
Cue the stopping of your ignorance?
EDIT: Mind the language, it wasn't meant for flaming or insulting. Spices things up
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05-23-2010, 09:14 PM
#19
Ronye West
Anti-HSx9
I think both sides here are giving good arguements.
In my opinion, I wouldn't mind having a mosque being built near where the twin towers were crashed into. However, there are sooooo many people who blame the whole muslim religion for the disaster due to the media and their ignorance. A Mosque is a place of worship and not a place of terrorism.
Although I wouldn't really point fingers I do think it was the american's government fault as they provoked the attack. But I also hate British people saying it's got everything to do with american civilians. These people are total hypocrites because we invaded the middle east along with american for no reason, but I do think we've made many lives better by driving out the taliban from afganistan.
Also elf, I agree with alot of what you're saying but when you say "Build a hitler statue next to auschwitz" it's not like they're building a saddam statue next where the towers where knocked down.
In my opinion, I wouldn't mind having a mosque being built near where the twin towers were crashed into. However, there are sooooo many people who blame the whole muslim religion for the disaster due to the media and their ignorance. A Mosque is a place of worship and not a place of terrorism.
Although I wouldn't really point fingers I do think it was the american's government fault as they provoked the attack. But I also hate British people saying it's got everything to do with american civilians. These people are total hypocrites because we invaded the middle east along with american for no reason, but I do think we've made many lives better by driving out the taliban from afganistan.
Also elf, I agree with alot of what you're saying but when you say "Build a hitler statue next to auschwitz" it's not like they're building a saddam statue next where the towers where knocked down.
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