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EDIT: I've been reading a lot this summer, I mean A LOT, and I've decided to drop Marxism as my primary political belief. I realize not everyone is like me, a "dictatorship of the people" just isn't possible. Anyone with that much power will ultimately abuse it (For example, Joseph Stalin of the Soviet Union or Pol Pot of ...the short-lived Democratic Kampuchea) and cause mass-human rights violations within the nation. Authoritarian Communism may work at first (Vladimir Lenin of the Soviet Union or Fidel Castro of Cuba for example), but in the long run these nations will soon have to let up on various restrictions and allow, to some degree, private competition. Every Communist nation on Earth today has reverted to Authoritarian Socialism or Command Capitalism. ... See MoreI was a Libertarian Communist, but I just realize this vision of a perfect world just isn't real with that much power going to a dictator. In Communism, we were supposed to overthrow the machine, not duplicate and repeat. And that is why, today, I declare myself a Libertarian Socialist. Private competition must exist to some degree, to achieve the closest possible system to a Utopia, everyone must be equal and the only way to achieve that in my mind now is through Libertarian Socialism.

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The United States has been a starkly capitalist nation for too long, the nation's infrastructure is falling down around us, and the government isn't doing shit about it. Especially when we're in a time of need, we need jobs and we need them now. I believe if the government were to make jobs, a MASSIVE public works project (something akin to FDR's Public Works Administration; part of the bigger New Deal plan), we could provide our citizens with jobs, and put money back into the system while re-building our nation from the ground up. Things always get worse before they get better, but on the path the United States is now... we're in for a heap of trouble. The Democrats and Republicans continue to just bitch back and forth, rather than actually work together to get something done and put our nation back on the right path.

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You're pretty moderate bro.

Yeah, seems legit since I consider myself an independent who leans a bit more to the left.

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its been around long because it works. Capitalism thrives competition which makes things, everything better.


Define infrastructure. The economy always fluctuates, and usually falls into a recession every 10 years. There are good points and low points.


Good, they shouldnt. The last thing we need is to tax people more to pay for more government officials to do anything about it. Those people could be spending their taxes on a new car, etc which produces jobs


So what are we going to do? Borrow from China like Obama is doing and just throw it at people? No, **** that. Germany produced more money to produce "more jobs" and soon people were carrying carts of money to buy a loaf of bread.

Jobs that stay and stabilize the economy are made from investors and entrepreneurs, not the government. Everything that the government controls or starts usually ends up failing or not living up to its potential.


And get more into debt. Awesome plan!


They have done that for the past 200 years, whats so different about it now?



Oh, and before you register yourself as a filthy commie, take an economics class. Every communist party and government has failed. Russia failed. Why? Communism doesn't spur competition, people take advantage of the system and do as little as possible. Your communism will always fail.


People earn their money. You cant tell me a doctor who has 10+ years of schooling deserves the same pay as a janitor who didnt complete high school. You deserve whatever pay you get later in life.

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And causes mass amounts of homeless men and women, starving to death, caused by the greed of a CEO.

I'm speaking of bridges, inner-city developments/apartments, low income housing, etc.

Okay, so the government shouldn't do anything about corporations frivolously destroying our environment and giving raises to CEOs who do nothing but give speeches all day, but continue to lower the wages of hard working American citizens?

Did you not read the plan for the massive public works project?

So the government is run by the rich in an essence is basically what you're stating, correct?

It's called deficit spending, it worked under FDR's New Deal, I don't see the difference now.

lol "filthy commie," The Soviet Union collapsed due to a massive military expenditure that they simply couldn't pay. They were fighting a horrid war in Afghanistan, all while funding leftist rebels around the globe.

Yeah, so a doctor who was born into a rich family who can actually pay for college should deserve more money than a man who was born into poverty in Compton who received a sub-par education and later became a janitor. Makes perfect sense, right? That doctor didn't earn his money, he was just lucky enough to be born into it.

I'm not really into politics, it just bores me. So I'll put it in simple terms for anyone else who comes into this thread. In the blue corner, we have bunch of stuck up posh ****s who just look out for themselves. And in the red corner, we have equally sized ****s who couldn't run a country to save their lives.

All in all, politicians are ****s. They're lying thieving wankers who are on par with lawyers. It doesn't matter what their policies are before the election, they'll change after it.

Why are they starving to death?

Everyone who goes to school and tries hard will get a job. Around 10% in a capitalist economy will be unemployed, but when you look at 18+ year olds going to college and housewives, that number decreases significantly.

Think about what the CEO had to do before he became that rich ass CEO. He had to start from scratch, like many businesses do. He had to get entrepreneurs to invest in his company, he had to hire the people in his start up and ultimately his business had to succeed. What you dont know, is many do not. Many fail, and become bankrupt. Guess who is homeless and starving now? (With his education, he will probably apply for a job in an already made business and get himself out of his hole)

That one out of ten startups will suceed and the CEO will reap the profits. If you look at a chart of how much CEOs make, it isnt as much as you think. The average CEO in 2007 made 5.3 million dollars. When you figure out EXTREMLEY rich CEOs like Bill Gates and Steve jobs, that number decreases heavily. I read a paper article that most CEOs make about $500,000 a year.

Why? If the CEO makes too much money, his business will fail. If he doesn't pay his workers enough, the workers wont work as well and his business will fail.


Your talking about the BP oil spill? You know what they make, right? Gas. They pump gas out of the ground so you can fuel your car to go to your soccer game, school, etc. Mistakes happen, and BP is going to pay for the cleanup and other damages that may of happened. In the meantime, the ecosystem will return to normal after the oil has been cleaned up.


How do you know they only give speeches all day? And have you ever made a speech? Speeches are brutally hard to give and most people buckle at the knees and their throat turns dry.


They worked just as hard, if not harder to get their business off the ground and getting good pay. My dad tried to start his own electrical company, failed and got a job at IBM. He is earning much more than he was than at his electrical company.


Explain.


It is run by companies who give people jobs.


Did you look how much inflation went up then? You will be paying $20 bucks for a burger instead of $5.

Also, social security is flawed and is going to be stopped.


No, it did not. If you read more about the Soviet Union, it had a lot of problems even before then. People were starving at the local farms. Why? Because they had a crop quota to meet, and that was it. Nothing more, as the government was giving them money for their crops. Technology didnt get better, because the government was buying it. I can sell the government a tractor that barley works because there is no competition and they will buy it.

Communism looks good on paper, but in reality people take advantage of the system.


Anybody can become a doctor. You heard me. You get good grades in high school, and show leadership, you can get an ROTC/NROTC-Nurse Option through the military. They pay for your education, you become a nurse in the military for four years. After that, you can apply to become a doctor that both the Navy and the Army has, and they will pay your way through medical school, as long as you become a doctor for them for the same amount of years. After that, you can get out and become a doctor, and anyone can do it. Thats exactly how my dermatologist became a doctor.

There are also other programs, like my friends dad. He was born into poverty in Detroit, Michigan, he got student loans and put himself through a bachelors degree. He got into a program then after where if you go through medical school, an Alaskan community will put you through medical school for you to be a pediatrician for that community for eight years. He got under pay for an average doctor for those four years, but they paid his way though medical school and is now earning a lot of money at a hospital in California.

Anyone can become anything if they set their mind to it. If you get straight As, and get leadership positions in school there will always be grants and help for you to put you through a four year degree and get a decent job. Those that dont, and dont try in school and become gansters deserve to become a janitor. Everyone cant have the same amount of pay.



So a CEO who put his life savings on the line and put himself through college to start a business and succeeded--should get the same pay as a high school dropout who never tries? Under a communist government, that is what is going to happen. Makes perfect sense right?


LOL

People earn their money. And there are ways for you, or anyone else for that matter--to become a doctor. It all depends on how hard bad you want it.

Because they're living in tents behind Walmart, and begging for money & food on the streets?

So what does that mean for the working-class people? Should they just be forgotten and thrown to the side? They're the ones actually doing all of the hard, physical labor.

In a command economy, 0% are unemployed.

When the business first started, yes, they did. But now? These people are born into riches and are able to attend top-notch schools at the expense of the middle & working-class.

Still way too much when a coal miner who performs backbreaking work makes around $31,000 & a soldier who risks his life everyday in combat is paid $30,000.

So let's just ship the jobs off to Vietnam & China, where they will work! Great idea! The CEOs can still be paid their outrageous amounts and the business will still be profitable!

Not in particular, there are plenty of miners who live in poor regions of Kentucky/Tennessee where they're slicing the tops off of mountains and the debris from the mountains is clouding their air, and destroying their rivers. It's taking away jobs from these working-class men and women, because it's more profitable for the business to do so.

BP isn't going to fix this problem, do you really think a multi-trillion dollar corporation is going to give two shits about the environment? The government needs to step in, fix the problem already, and impose tighter restrictions on off-shore drilling so we can possibly prevent this from happening in the future.

A spill of this magnitude will take 10-15 years to return to normal.

What else can a CEO possibly be doing? Sitting at their desks? Taking flights to Vietnam & China to meet with branch managers? All while the people lower in the company are busting their balls working in steel mills or working in a factory.

He was lucky enough to do so, Capitalism has winners and losers; the vast majority lose.

So much for American Democracy right?

How would inflation increase?

The tea party movement and other fascist coalitions SCREAMED over "death panels" and other nonsense in the healthcare "reform" bill, but ending social security.. isn't that the exact opposite thing they didn't want?

Would you ever want to try hard if you were under a brutal dictator like Joseph Stalin? If anything, you do as little as possible just to get the job done. I'm fascinated by the Soviet Union under Stalin, but I don't like the guy. He was brutal, arrogant and a prick. Lenin & Trotsky were the true leaders of the Bolsheviks, Stalin was out for himself.

Not everyone is behind the idea, obviously why people take advantage of the system.

Not everyone WANTS to be a doctor, and even so, how does someone living in Compton achieve a good education?

Yeah, because EVERYONE wants to go through college and EVERYONE can be leaders. Everyone needs to be paid the same, a farmer, a lawyer, a banker, everyone.

Yep.

I want a job now, can I get it? No. I want a lot of things out of this life, and I've only been successful in a few. So I'm supposed to try and try and try until I'm 59 and then I finally get my great position, and then it's time to retire? Yeah... no.

Because their mentally insane, not trying enough to get a job, or drug addicts.


Thats a matter of opinion. I feel it is the leaders of the company who do all the work--they merely tell the manual workers what to do.


And there are problems in that economy. See the fall of the USSR


Inherited CEOs make significantly less than the makers of the companies. And those CEOs usually have worked their way up the latter through the company or have led a business before.



A soldier is actually paid less, around $12,000 a year. Its called service for a reason. And that pay for the coal miner is fine if it still attracts workers to the job. You will learn in economics about supply and demand, that if the pay is too low they will not get enough workers and will have to raise the pay to attract workers to that job.


When you outsource, other jobs are created here. Goods are cheaper, and our trade relations build. They make stuff, and they will purchase it as well.


Whoevers property that river is should sue the company then for being negligent.


Yes, they care about the reputation about their company. People will think twice about buying gas from BP if they leave their oceans filled with oil.


No they dont. They need to tell BP they need to clean it up, and find ways so that problem doesnt happen again. It will benefit BP and the government.


Then so be it. Mistakes happen, and the American people would rather have gas than a clean ocean.


They do a lot of things behind the scenes.



Not only that, anybody can be in a factory and build things. Not everybody can make speeches, market their product, manage a whole company. They also have a lot more responsibility on their backs; their decision could make their company go bankrupt and loose thousands of jobs. Manual workers cannot make that bad of decisions.


So be it, they accept the pay that is given to them and they do it.


Capitalism has competition which fuels an increase in technology and makes products cheaper and better. Communism doesn't.

Then get the **** out of America. We were founded upon captitalsm, not communism. Go to Russia which was funded on communism.


Take an economics class, I'm tired of explaining this to you.



Social Secruirty =/= Health Care

When you make health care government run, their is no competition. Companies dont strive to become better and beat their competitors, they do as little as needed to get by and get paid by the government.


A country cant have a main dictator. People are always out for themselves.


Everyone is out for themselves. They want to do the least amount of work for the most amount of pay. I would much rather be a janitor than a doctor and getting the same pay.


They get a public education. They get strait As, and go off to college to make up for any deficiencies and achieve a better education.


Everyone cant hack it through college. Everyone cant be a leader. Everyone cant be a follower either.


Get the **** out of America, and go have some buttsex with the fallen Soviet Union because Communism is shit. Seriously.


How old are you? I got a job when I was 16.

Which is why your average, will get an average pay and be an average worker. Everyone cant be a leader.

If you want a job with good pay, research them now and find what you have to do to get there.