Originally posted by MLGworminator
first off: mj didn't bash lebron.. all he was saying is he wouldnt do it but times have changed.
second off: mj's first three peat didnt involve rodman... and pippen TURNED into an all star Thanks to jordan for taking away a lot of pressure... when u have three guys gaurding one guy (jordan) its kind of easy to become an all star.
third off: its dwayne wades team.. END OF DISCUSSION.... Lebron will always be 1 championship behind dwayne wade.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOKo4Nev4Ak]YouTube - MJ on Lebron James decision making (Calling Out Lebron James)[/ame]
First Point --- MJ did say he didn't think of teaming up with Larry and Magic, and then said it's a different time financially with the NBA. The guy asked him then, "do you ever step back and just shake your head at free agency now?". MJ laughed and said "do you mean financially?". He went on to say "yeah I mean they get paid a lot more now , and it's a different game now and that can affect people's decisions". Basically implying that if he had come 10 years later he might have entertained going to a different team--for the right price. In around the middle Michael talked about how Bill might be wondering if he could have done better if he was in this era. I actually laughed at this though since back then there was a gigantic disparity between teams, which was bad enough that the celtics in the 60's had 7 other people in the hall of fame other than Russell (Bob Cousy, Bill Sharman, Tom Heinsohn, Sam Jones, K.C. Jones, Frank Ramsey, and John Havlicek). And again you can't even try to compare the situation LeBron was in against MJ. LeBron was stuck with a poor team around him, and a bad coach. MJ didn't even win anything until the bulls brought in Phil Jackson as coach, and then he had a pretty good roster with him which brings me to my 2nd point.
2nd point --- MJ like I said didn't win until Phil Jackson was brought in as coach. MJ also had teammates to help him like Scottie Pippen who was one of the best defenders in the nba and was a very good scorer who was just getting into his prime. A good shooter in John Paxson, and two strong bodies in the post with BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant. When you said that Scottie became an all-star from being left open because of MJ being "triple teamed", and that it was "easy" to be an all-star if you are always left open. It occurred to me that if you use your logic with LeBron it proves he was a better player than MJ. If the bulls players other than Mike got better from him being double or triple teamed, and it should be "easy" for them to become all-stars in that situation. Then the same logic should apply to the cavs. LeBron was double and triple teamed almost every possession in the last couple games against Boston, and none of the other players were able to do anything even when left virtually wide open. Another thing that shows how incompetent they were, is that if it's "easy" to be an all-star when you are getting easy looks then some other players would be selected as an all-star....right? Not 1 player other than LeBron was selected as an all-star on a team that won over 60 games. If they're job is made easier by LeBron being under all that pressure, and they are STILL not able to be one....I don't think I really need to explain how bad they would have to be. MJ was lucky enough to have good management with the bulls, but LeBron was stuck with horrible teammates and a bad coach. If LeBron was off, you know the Cavs would lose that games, but the bulls had a good enough supporting cast to reach the eastern conference semi-finals because MJ "retired" because he was in trouble for gambling....WHOOPS I mean because he wanted to play baseball.
third point --- LeBron doesn't mind the team not being his. He never said he wanted to be "like mike". If anything he said he wants to emulate Magic Johnson. Part of the reason he joined the heat is because of the pitch from Pat Riley that he could be more focused on playing instead of always having to carry the team on his back every night, and he could relax so if he gets hurt or tired and come out not worrying that if he does his team will go down by 20 points in the time he is out. Another part of the reason LeBron chose Miami is because he is comfortable with Dwyane Wade as more of a closer, and himself being more of a "Magic Johnson" style player. The reason he is such a great player is because of his court vision, in Cleveland he would give a great pass to someone only to have them miss the open shot or turn it over. Now with some other players that can actually play, you will see his scoring dip (again, he cares more about winning than person stats---that's why he left), but he will get a lot more assists, and he has a chance to be the first person to post a triple double average for an entire season since Oscar Robertson. And to your last point that Dwyane will always have "one more championship than LeBron", it doesn't really hold any weight since Dwyane won it with Shaq, and LeBron hasn't had anyone on his team that is good (and don't even try to say "oh LeBron had Shaq too, but he didn't win one with him". Shaq's health started to get bad in Miami, but not bad enough that he couldn't play well. With the cavaliers he was constantly hurt, and ineffective).
Last Point --- Even though he didn't win a championship, he was very close. He went to the NBA Finals in 2007 against the spurs, and I actually happened to be in Cleveland then so I saw for myself what happened. It was the same exact thing that happened this year against the Celtics--everyone stands around watching LeBron and hopes he makes a play. First of all, getting to the Finals and being the only good player is one thing, but trying to win a championship by yourself while being triple teamed is near impossible. No "nba great" has ever won a championship while being the only all-star on their team. If LeBron actually managed to do that....we we would have to instantly crown him the best ever, hands down. No MJ argument could even be made against that, so why are people trying to punish LeBron now for wanting to be on a better team? Besides, is leaving via free agency to another team really worse than forcing a trade from your team and basically crippling the franchise? (ex. Wilt Chamberlain, Kevin Garnett). Another thing people might be forgetting is that Shaq left Orlando in free agency, and basically crippled them so he could play for Phil Jackson and play with Kobe Bryant. So when players do this and worse all the time, why are people making such a big deal about LeBron leaving? Because he is the greatest player EVER, and yeah MJ won 6 championships but he had a couple of teammates that are in the Hall of Fame. There's nobody even close that level that played with LeBron, and he STILL makes the NBA Finals. People are being harsh on him since they are judging him against what other great players did in the past, but that's a horrible way to measure it since they don't take into account how good his supporting cast is.