Post: My Thoughts on the Tyrant known as Miami Heat
07-09-2010, 06:17 AM #1
HolynoodleZ
Gym leader
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next i would like to inform u that by joining this team all 3 superstars have sold out on their legacy. LBJ is wrong when he said it doesn't matter where you win a championship, just as long as u win one. this is only the case if you are 1 great superstar with a bunch of pretty good complimentary players or if your just a beast and take the game over by yourself (DWADE in the 2006 finals). With the miami heat when they win a championship, and they will, the championship will go down in the legacy of the SUPER team Miami heat, not in the legacy of lbj, bosh, or wade, and if they do win year after year trust me this will only hurt the league. so sportswriters are all right when u say u can never put Lbj into discussion with mj or Magic or bird or even kobe. However i do feel that if cleveland boos LBJ when he plays against them they should all suffer and seriously lose all credibility.

just my 2cents:p
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07-27-2010, 01:02 PM #11
Grimsley33
On Top of the Game
Originally posted by MLGworminator View Post
First off i would like to say i seriously lold at the cavs owners statements on lebron.

next i would like to inform u that by joining this team all 3 superstars have sold out on their legacy. LBJ is wrong when he said it doesn't matter where you win a championship, just as long as u win one. this is only the case if you are 1 great superstar with a bunch of pretty good complimentary players or if your just a beast and take the game over by yourself (DWADE in the 2006 finals). With the miami heat when they win a championship, and they will, the championship will go down in the legacy of the SUPER team Miami heat, not in the legacy of lbj, bosh, or wade, and if they do win year after year trust me this will only hurt the league. so sportswriters are all right when u say u can never put Lbj into discussion with mj or Magic or bird or even kobe. However i do feel that if cleveland boos LBJ when he plays against them they should all suffer and seriously lose all credibility.

just my 2cents:p


Except it's a little bit different for LeBron since he had shit management in Cleveland that couldn't get him a decent supporting cast, and then even if he stayed it'd be near impossible to win a title by himself, and if he did we'd have to pretty much crown him the greatest ever. MJ couldn't leave if he wanted to since his contract locked him up into his mid-30's, and he wouldn't want to anyway since they got him Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman. And Magic had Kareem. All the other "greats" that people talk about had HOF teammates, how is that even close the situation LeBron was in? He's screwed either way here. If he stays he never wins a championship, and people talk about how he was "really good" but he's not great since he never won anything (even though it's the management's fault for being incompetent and not able to put together even a decent supporting cast). Or he could leave the team to go win a championship, and be bashed for "joining forces".
One huge issue I have with MJ is when he bashed LeBron by saying "I would never have called up Magic or Bird, and say let's get together on the same team". Except he already had Pippen and Rodman so it's not even a fair comparison.
LeBron's supporting cast was horrible in cleveland, and in the playoffs, it was constantly 1 vs. 5 out there. Go watch any game from the past couple years, and it's the same thing: everyone gives the ball to LeBron and then sits around waiting for him to do something. Yeah they won 66 games, but guess what? Without him now they will be lucky to win 30 games. It was all him, and it's not his fault for being put in a shit situation.
And the last thing I'll say is LeBron didn't want to stay and waste away his career without winning titles. Management never gave any signs of even being close to getting a decent supporting cast, so why would he want to stay?
07-27-2010, 02:18 PM #12
The heat is definitely overpowered. IMO.
07-27-2010, 03:27 PM #13
HolynoodleZ
Gym leader
Originally posted by Grimsley33 View Post
Except it's a little bit different for LeBron since he had shit management in Cleveland that couldn't get him a decent supporting cast, and then even if he stayed it'd be near impossible to win a title by himself, and if he did we'd have to pretty much crown him the greatest ever. MJ couldn't leave if he wanted to since his contract locked him up into his mid-30's, and he wouldn't want to anyway since they got him Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman. And Magic had Kareem. All the other "greats" that people talk about had HOF teammates, how is that even close the situation LeBron was in? He's screwed either way here. If he stays he never wins a championship, and people talk about how he was "really good" but he's not great since he never won anything (even though it's the management's fault for being incompetent and not able to put together even a decent supporting cast). Or he could leave the team to go win a championship, and be bashed for "joining forces".
One huge issue I have with MJ is when he bashed LeBron by saying "I would never have called up Magic or Bird, and say let's get together on the same team". Except he already had Pippen and Rodman so it's not even a fair comparison.
LeBron's supporting cast was horrible in cleveland, and in the playoffs, it was constantly 1 vs. 5 out there. Go watch any game from the past couple years, and it's the same thing: everyone gives the ball to LeBron and then sits around waiting for him to do something. Yeah they won 66 games, but guess what? Without him now they will be lucky to win 30 games. It was all him, and it's not his fault for being put in a shit situation.
And the last thing I'll say is LeBron didn't want to stay and waste away his career without winning titles. Management never gave any signs of even being close to getting a decent supporting cast, so why would he want to stay?


first off: mj didn't bash lebron.. all he was saying is he wouldnt do it but times have changed.
second off: mj's first three peat didnt involve rodman... and pippen TURNED into an all star Thanks to jordan for taking away a lot of pressure... when u have three guys gaurding one guy (jordan) its kind of easy to become an all star.
third off: its dwayne wades team.. END OF DISCUSSION.... Lebron will always be 1 championship behind dwayne wade.
07-28-2010, 10:40 AM #14
the_jonath
Little One
personally I prefer considering the legacy of a team rather than a single player, but you are right, a star player like lebron james shouldn't leave a team like he did, get traded or wait for your team to let you leave, ... but it's a whole city industry depending on pretty much on player ... Michael Jordan never left the Chicago Bulls like Lebron James did
07-28-2010, 06:00 PM #15
Grimsley33
On Top of the Game
Originally posted by MLGworminator View Post
first off: mj didn't bash lebron.. all he was saying is he wouldnt do it but times have changed.
second off: mj's first three peat didnt involve rodman... and pippen TURNED into an all star Thanks to jordan for taking away a lot of pressure... when u have three guys gaurding one guy (jordan) its kind of easy to become an all star.
third off: its dwayne wades team.. END OF DISCUSSION.... Lebron will always be 1 championship behind dwayne wade.

[ame=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOKo4Nev4Ak]YouTube - MJ on Lebron James decision making (Calling Out Lebron James)[/ame]

First Point --- MJ did say he didn't think of teaming up with Larry and Magic, and then said it's a different time financially with the NBA. The guy asked him then, "do you ever step back and just shake your head at free agency now?". MJ laughed and said "do you mean financially?". He went on to say "yeah I mean they get paid a lot more now , and it's a different game now and that can affect people's decisions". Basically implying that if he had come 10 years later he might have entertained going to a different team--for the right price. In around the middle Michael talked about how Bill might be wondering if he could have done better if he was in this era. I actually laughed at this though since back then there was a gigantic disparity between teams, which was bad enough that the celtics in the 60's had 7 other people in the hall of fame other than Russell (Bob Cousy, Bill Sharman, Tom Heinsohn, Sam Jones, K.C. Jones, Frank Ramsey, and John Havlicek). And again you can't even try to compare the situation LeBron was in against MJ. LeBron was stuck with a poor team around him, and a bad coach. MJ didn't even win anything until the bulls brought in Phil Jackson as coach, and then he had a pretty good roster with him which brings me to my 2nd point.

2nd point --- MJ like I said didn't win until Phil Jackson was brought in as coach. MJ also had teammates to help him like Scottie Pippen who was one of the best defenders in the nba and was a very good scorer who was just getting into his prime. A good shooter in John Paxson, and two strong bodies in the post with BJ Armstrong and Horace Grant. When you said that Scottie became an all-star from being left open because of MJ being "triple teamed", and that it was "easy" to be an all-star if you are always left open. It occurred to me that if you use your logic with LeBron it proves he was a better player than MJ. If the bulls players other than Mike got better from him being double or triple teamed, and it should be "easy" for them to become all-stars in that situation. Then the same logic should apply to the cavs. LeBron was double and triple teamed almost every possession in the last couple games against Boston, and none of the other players were able to do anything even when left virtually wide open. Another thing that shows how incompetent they were, is that if it's "easy" to be an all-star when you are getting easy looks then some other players would be selected as an all-star....right? Not 1 player other than LeBron was selected as an all-star on a team that won over 60 games. If they're job is made easier by LeBron being under all that pressure, and they are STILL not able to be one....I don't think I really need to explain how bad they would have to be. MJ was lucky enough to have good management with the bulls, but LeBron was stuck with horrible teammates and a bad coach. If LeBron was off, you know the Cavs would lose that games, but the bulls had a good enough supporting cast to reach the eastern conference semi-finals because MJ "retired" because he was in trouble for gambling....WHOOPS I mean because he wanted to play baseball.

third point --- LeBron doesn't mind the team not being his. He never said he wanted to be "like mike". If anything he said he wants to emulate Magic Johnson. Part of the reason he joined the heat is because of the pitch from Pat Riley that he could be more focused on playing instead of always having to carry the team on his back every night, and he could relax so if he gets hurt or tired and come out not worrying that if he does his team will go down by 20 points in the time he is out. Another part of the reason LeBron chose Miami is because he is comfortable with Dwyane Wade as more of a closer, and himself being more of a "Magic Johnson" style player. The reason he is such a great player is because of his court vision, in Cleveland he would give a great pass to someone only to have them miss the open shot or turn it over. Now with some other players that can actually play, you will see his scoring dip (again, he cares more about winning than person stats---that's why he left), but he will get a lot more assists, and he has a chance to be the first person to post a triple double average for an entire season since Oscar Robertson. And to your last point that Dwyane will always have "one more championship than LeBron", it doesn't really hold any weight since Dwyane won it with Shaq, and LeBron hasn't had anyone on his team that is good (and don't even try to say "oh LeBron had Shaq too, but he didn't win one with him". Shaq's health started to get bad in Miami, but not bad enough that he couldn't play well. With the cavaliers he was constantly hurt, and ineffective).

Last Point --- Even though he didn't win a championship, he was very close. He went to the NBA Finals in 2007 against the spurs, and I actually happened to be in Cleveland then so I saw for myself what happened. It was the same exact thing that happened this year against the Celtics--everyone stands around watching LeBron and hopes he makes a play. First of all, getting to the Finals and being the only good player is one thing, but trying to win a championship by yourself while being triple teamed is near impossible. No "nba great" has ever won a championship while being the only all-star on their team. If LeBron actually managed to do that....we we would have to instantly crown him the best ever, hands down. No MJ argument could even be made against that, so why are people trying to punish LeBron now for wanting to be on a better team? Besides, is leaving via free agency to another team really worse than forcing a trade from your team and basically crippling the franchise? (ex. Wilt Chamberlain, Kevin Garnett). Another thing people might be forgetting is that Shaq left Orlando in free agency, and basically crippled them so he could play for Phil Jackson and play with Kobe Bryant. So when players do this and worse all the time, why are people making such a big deal about LeBron leaving? Because he is the greatest player EVER, and yeah MJ won 6 championships but he had a couple of teammates that are in the Hall of Fame. There's nobody even close that level that played with LeBron, and he STILL makes the NBA Finals. People are being harsh on him since they are judging him against what other great players did in the past, but that's a horrible way to measure it since they don't take into account how good his supporting cast is.
07-29-2010, 05:25 AM #16
beastly12
Prime Rib
LOL THAT ALL DONT matter because there not going to reach the finals bro! dont you knopw the the lakers have kobe bryant??????

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