Post: The United Kingdom Government announces £81 billion of cuts?...
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10-21-2010, 08:43 PM
#1
Danny41294
I Like Cheese =)
Originally posted by another user
All three services will take cuts in manpower. Overall, this will mean the largest overseas deployment possible will be 30,000 troops. This compares to the 45,000 involved in the invasion of Iraq.
British Army
The British Army presence in Germany will end by 2020.
Overall personnel numbers will drop by 7,000 to 95,500.
The number of Challenger 2 tanks cut by 40% and AS-90 heavy artillery by 35%.
Royal Air Force
Personnel will be reduced by 5,000 to 33,000.
Nimrod MRA4 project, £984 million over-budget, to be scrapped.
RAF Kinloss, where the aircraft are based, will close.
Future Strategic Tanker Aircraft procurement will go ahead, as will the Airbus A400M. These aircraft, along with the current C-17s, will form the future air transport fleet. The VC-10 and Tristars are approaching the end of their services lives and the C-130 fleet will be retired 10 years earlier than planned.
12 Boeing Chinooks will be added to the current fleet.
The RAF's future fast jet fleet will be based on the Typhoon and the F-35 Lightning II. The latter, which will also be flown by the Royal Navy, will be the more capable and cheaper F-35C version. The UK has originally planned to buy the F-35B, a Short Take Off and Vertical Landing aircraft. The F-35C has longer range, greater payload capability and the MOD envisages life cycle costs to be 25% cheaper than the F-35B.
The Sentinel R1 will be retired once it is no longer required to support forces in Afghanistan.
Royal Navy
The Royal Navy flagship aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal will be decommissioned "almost immediately" rather than in 2014. The Joint Force Harrier aircraft will be retired. Both of these measures will save money for the purchase of the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers.
Either HMS Ocean or HMS Illustrious will be decommissioned, whichever is least capable as a helicopter carrier.
One of the Bay class landing ship dock would be decommissioned.
Replacement of the UK's nuclear deterrent based on Royal Navy Vanguard class submarines (SSBNs) will be delayed by four years, saving £750 million.
7 Astute class submarines will be built as previously planned.
The surface fleet of frigates and destroyers will be reduced to 19. "As soon as possible after 2020" the Type 26 frigates will replace the Type 23 frigates.
The strength of the RN will be reduced by 5,000 (to a total of about 30,000).
British Army
The British Army presence in Germany will end by 2020.
Overall personnel numbers will drop by 7,000 to 95,500.
The number of Challenger 2 tanks cut by 40% and AS-90 heavy artillery by 35%.
Royal Air Force
Personnel will be reduced by 5,000 to 33,000.
Nimrod MRA4 project, £984 million over-budget, to be scrapped.
RAF Kinloss, where the aircraft are based, will close.
Future Strategic Tanker Aircraft procurement will go ahead, as will the Airbus A400M. These aircraft, along with the current C-17s, will form the future air transport fleet. The VC-10 and Tristars are approaching the end of their services lives and the C-130 fleet will be retired 10 years earlier than planned.
12 Boeing Chinooks will be added to the current fleet.
The RAF's future fast jet fleet will be based on the Typhoon and the F-35 Lightning II. The latter, which will also be flown by the Royal Navy, will be the more capable and cheaper F-35C version. The UK has originally planned to buy the F-35B, a Short Take Off and Vertical Landing aircraft. The F-35C has longer range, greater payload capability and the MOD envisages life cycle costs to be 25% cheaper than the F-35B.
The Sentinel R1 will be retired once it is no longer required to support forces in Afghanistan.
Royal Navy
The Royal Navy flagship aircraft carrier HMS Ark Royal will be decommissioned "almost immediately" rather than in 2014. The Joint Force Harrier aircraft will be retired. Both of these measures will save money for the purchase of the Queen Elizabeth class aircraft carriers.
Either HMS Ocean or HMS Illustrious will be decommissioned, whichever is least capable as a helicopter carrier.
One of the Bay class landing ship dock would be decommissioned.
Replacement of the UK's nuclear deterrent based on Royal Navy Vanguard class submarines (SSBNs) will be delayed by four years, saving £750 million.
7 Astute class submarines will be built as previously planned.
The surface fleet of frigates and destroyers will be reduced to 19. "As soon as possible after 2020" the Type 26 frigates will replace the Type 23 frigates.
The strength of the RN will be reduced by 5,000 (to a total of about 30,000).
Now why, when we are on Threat Level Severe You must login or register to view this content. would we cut our Defence Force? It just doesn't make sense to me?. Isn't that like lowering your guard?, letting them take a hit?.
What do all you guys think?, maybe views from an American or something?...
10-22-2010, 10:35 AM
#11
Dan0692
Molestation Enthusiast
I've said it before, and i'll say it again. Stop the war on drugs, it's a HUGE drain on money, and make benefit selection more rigorous. I've seen so many chavs and bums getting job seekers allowance (i'm getting it too, but I genuinely need it as i'm out of work) and it's sickening how many take advantage of the system.
Instead of following America's route of having to work for benefits. If you watch Bowling for Columbine you see a woman who only see's her kids an hour a day if that, and she's a single mother. Instead there should be a way the government can check whether or not the people truly need it (bills, NOT income as EMA checks, but how much you have left after expenditure).
If that is done, we'd be rolling in money. But that will never ever happen, we've always managed to get into debt and it seems our government likes us being in debt because the country is more malleable and willing that way -.-
Instead of following America's route of having to work for benefits. If you watch Bowling for Columbine you see a woman who only see's her kids an hour a day if that, and she's a single mother. Instead there should be a way the government can check whether or not the people truly need it (bills, NOT income as EMA checks, but how much you have left after expenditure).
If that is done, we'd be rolling in money. But that will never ever happen, we've always managed to get into debt and it seems our government likes us being in debt because the country is more malleable and willing that way -.-
10-22-2010, 02:55 PM
#12
B u X
BITCHES LOVE CAKE
Originally posted by Dan0692
I've said it before, and i'll say it again. Stop the war on drugs, it's a HUGE drain on money, and make benefit selection more rigorous. I've seen so many chavs and bums getting job seekers allowance (i'm getting it too, but I genuinely need it as i'm out of work) and it's sickening how many take advantage of the system.
I know where you're coming from about the drugs, but could you imagine what society would be like in a few generations without any effort to stop drugs being imported or even grown/made in the UK?? It is a huge drain, but society as whole would not benefit in the long run. You would have more people spending their money on drugs rather than spending it on things that are actually needed and in-turn injecting back into the economy, then there would be a need for more methodone, more rehabilitation centres, more police etc etc, not to mention a decline in the development of society, which would mean less tax payers and more bums on the dole.
I do though agree completely about the way our benefits system is handled, it is ****ing rdiculous and not just the dole. I wont go over the points you made, i just want to add another. It's beyond me how a household which earns upto £40,000 a year can claim child tax and child benefits, people earning this amount of money each year clearly do not need benefits. When i lived with my ex, and had my old job, which i earnt over £1200 a month, we claimed child tax, child benefit and i got working tax credits too which brought my total income to nearly £1700 a month. On this we lived comfortably, we never worried about rent, bills or shopping and things needed for our son. And we always had money left over to buy and do things. So how people can claim these benefits with these sort of salaries sickens me, it needs to be lowered by quite a margin in my opnion.
10-22-2010, 03:27 PM
#14
Martin710
Fallout: New Vegas
I know for a fact that they were planning to build two new aircraft carriers by next year here in Glasgow, but one got axed completely and one is gonna be much smaller. However the aircraft carrier now will not carry any aircraft as they too have been cut from the budget. Unfortunate I guess...
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These are all very good point and by no means can anybody disregard them but if they legalised say marijuana and put c.20% tax on it they would make a hell of a lot of money. That's the only reason why alcohol and tobacco get sold in this country and HUGE amounts of capital is generated off of these. Take a look at parts of the Netherlands - their drug economy and tax made from drugs really does play a huge part in their economic culture so legalising certain drugs may not always be bad. But still you made some good points as i said
---------- Post added at 04:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:22 PM ----------
Originally posted by b
I know where you're coming from about the drugs, but could you imagine what society would be like in a few generations without any effort to stop drugs being imported or even grown/made in the UK?? It is a huge drain, but society as whole would not benefit in the long run. You would have more people spending their money on drugs rather than spending it on things that are actually needed and in-turn injecting back into the economy, then there would be a need for more methodone, more rehabilitation centres, more police etc etc, not to mention a decline in the development of society, which would mean less tax payers and more bums on the dole.
I do though agree completely about the way our benefits system is handled, it is ****ing rdiculous and not just the dole. I wont go over the points you made, i just want to add another. It's beyond me how a household which earns upto £40,000 a year can claim child tax and child benefits, people earning this amount of money each year clearly do not need benefits. When i lived with my ex, and had my old job, which i earnt over £1200 a month, we claimed child tax, child benefit and i got working tax credits too which brought my total income to nearly £1700 a month. On this we lived comfortably, we never worried about rent, bills or shopping and things needed for our son. And we always had money left over to buy and do things. So how people can claim these benefits with these sort of salaries sickens me, it needs to be lowered by quite a margin in my opnion.
I do though agree completely about the way our benefits system is handled, it is ****ing rdiculous and not just the dole. I wont go over the points you made, i just want to add another. It's beyond me how a household which earns upto £40,000 a year can claim child tax and child benefits, people earning this amount of money each year clearly do not need benefits. When i lived with my ex, and had my old job, which i earnt over £1200 a month, we claimed child tax, child benefit and i got working tax credits too which brought my total income to nearly £1700 a month. On this we lived comfortably, we never worried about rent, bills or shopping and things needed for our son. And we always had money left over to buy and do things. So how people can claim these benefits with these sort of salaries sickens me, it needs to be lowered by quite a margin in my opnion.
These are all very good point and by no means can anybody disregard them but if they legalised say marijuana and put c.20% tax on it they would make a hell of a lot of money. That's the only reason why alcohol and tobacco get sold in this country and HUGE amounts of capital is generated off of these. Take a look at parts of the Netherlands - their drug economy and tax made from drugs really does play a huge part in their economic culture so legalising certain drugs may not always be bad. But still you made some good points as i said
10-24-2010, 09:53 AM
#16
wuptdo
Pokemon Trainer
In all honesty the conservative government is absolute bullshit, i know labour weren't the greatest, but they're the closest to the best.
I want to know what MORONS of our country voted for these clowns? This so called Deficit is just a bullshit smoke screen so the public becomes concerned, and looks as though the government is actually attempting to do something. Quite incredibly selfish twats if you ask me, all conservatives are doing is making sure the rich pay bare minimum tax. And the poor get looked after. SO what happens to the middle men eh, 90% of what the country is? They're say Feck Em! They don't seem to give a crap.
e.g. 99% of the conservative members went to university, and even better for free! Oh but now because they've all got their degrees, and we're in a slight amount of dept because we were paying for them!!!!!!!!! They say oh we have to pay for it all ourselves! Yet they won't pay a little bit more tax to pay back for what they owe to the government, from going to uni for free. Selfish. Selfish. Selfish.
Did you know that in terms of our dept to other countries, just the USA alone owes us as much dept as we owe the rest of the world. So we're not in any financial state that's even close to bankruptcy.
oh and even if we were! our government can never go bankrupt, its called Printing money.
I say; 1 Cameron, 1 Clegg, 1 cup!
Oh have a nice day, thanks for letting me get their bullshit off my chest.
I want to know what MORONS of our country voted for these clowns? This so called Deficit is just a bullshit smoke screen so the public becomes concerned, and looks as though the government is actually attempting to do something. Quite incredibly selfish twats if you ask me, all conservatives are doing is making sure the rich pay bare minimum tax. And the poor get looked after. SO what happens to the middle men eh, 90% of what the country is? They're say Feck Em! They don't seem to give a crap.
e.g. 99% of the conservative members went to university, and even better for free! Oh but now because they've all got their degrees, and we're in a slight amount of dept because we were paying for them!!!!!!!!! They say oh we have to pay for it all ourselves! Yet they won't pay a little bit more tax to pay back for what they owe to the government, from going to uni for free. Selfish. Selfish. Selfish.
Did you know that in terms of our dept to other countries, just the USA alone owes us as much dept as we owe the rest of the world. So we're not in any financial state that's even close to bankruptcy.
oh and even if we were! our government can never go bankrupt, its called Printing money.
I say; 1 Cameron, 1 Clegg, 1 cup!
Oh have a nice day, thanks for letting me get their bullshit off my chest.
10-24-2010, 12:28 PM
#17
Danny41294
I Like Cheese =)
Originally posted by Martin710
I know for a fact that they were planning to build two new aircraft carriers by next year here in Glasgow, but one got axed completely and one is gonna be much smaller. However the aircraft carrier now will not carry any aircraft as they too have been cut from the budget. Unfortunate I guess...
---------- Post added at 04:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:22 PM ----------
These are all very good point and by no means can anybody disregard them but if they legalised say marijuana and put c.20% tax on it they would make a hell of a lot of money. That's the only reason why alcohol and tobacco get sold in this country and HUGE amounts of capital is generated off of these. Take a look at parts of the Netherlands - their drug economy and tax made from drugs really does play a huge part in their economic culture so legalising certain drugs may not always be bad. But still you made some good points as i said
---------- Post added at 04:27 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:22 PM ----------
These are all very good point and by no means can anybody disregard them but if they legalised say marijuana and put c.20% tax on it they would make a hell of a lot of money. That's the only reason why alcohol and tobacco get sold in this country and HUGE amounts of capital is generated off of these. Take a look at parts of the Netherlands - their drug economy and tax made from drugs really does play a huge part in their economic culture so legalising certain drugs may not always be bad. But still you made some good points as i said
What a load of shit!, an AIRcraft carrier with no AIRcraft?..... /facepalm
10-24-2010, 12:38 PM
#18
Pricey91
Professor of trollology
Originally posted by Danny41294
What a load of shit!, an AIRcraft carrier with no AIRcraft?..... /facepalm
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A billion quids worth of kit and they can't work out how deep the water is. There is a good reason why I have no faith in humanity.
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