Post: Huge Grammar/Punctuation lesson
02-27-2011, 08:49 AM #1
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Well as you can see from the title this a thread to teach you guys how to use proper punctuation and a few grammar points when you are debating. I will start with some very basic things that everyone I hope should know and then I will advance along to points that everyone needs to learn and I will give examples that might be in a debate with every point.
Let us begin. [multipage=Full stop]
Full stop
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Like I said I’ll start with the basics, everyone should know when to use full stops, it is basic punctuation you should learn in primary school.
You use full stops when:
    It is the end of a sentence. (This is an example.)
  • Indicating decimals. (50.5% of America are atheists)

Ok very basic punctuation that you should use. I do see quite a lot of people making a huge paragraph with no full stops or any punctuation to break it up. Remember always use capital letters after a full stop. [multipage=Comma]
Comma
The comma is another basic bit of punctuation that will help make your point clearer and look better set out. The uses of the comma are as follows:
    To split up adjectives or adverbs that are next to each other in a sentence. (My point is that it will be long, hard and time-consuming to demolish the cathedral)
  • To add meaning, expand on the point, or break up the main topic or idea of the sentence. (That cathedral is old, but it is still functioning)
  • The first word of a sentence that does not have a direct purpose and it is used to start the sentence. (However, I do think that cathedral takes up space)
  • To prevent misreading the sentence. (To the old, cathedrals are a necessity)
  • Before using a conjunction. (The cathedral maybe of use, but I don’t think it is needed anymore.
  • In a list (The things that are good about the cathedral are: its heritage, its beautiful architecture, and its great views.)

The comma is a great bit of punctuation that just helps out in so many ways. We use it so often, but we also forget it a lot as well. [multipage=Colon]
Colon
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Colons are very common and are used often. They are good to see as long as they are used correctly because there are not many uses for it. The uses are:
    At the end of a clause to start a list. (I think they should shut this factory down because: It is old, it is dysfunctional, and it is falling apart.)
  • A restatement of the last clause. (The factory is falling apart: the walls are falling apart.)
  • An elaboration of the last clause. (The factory is old: it was built in the 1960s)
As you can see it has some great uses as long as it isn’t put in the wrong places or overused. Otherwise include a colon.
[multipage=Semi-colon]
Semi-colon
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Semi-colons are a useful bit of punctuation but I rarely see them used. The uses are:
    To separate a list instead of commas if commas are already used. (The things I like about the car are: its great handling; its sleek, silver frame; its speed; and its colour.)
  • It is also used to make a pause that is longer than a comma but shorter than a pause. (The car looks very good; the design is amazing.)

The semi-colon may not have many uses but it is very effective when used in debates and shows you know how to use it and gives a feel of professionalism. [multipage=Apostrophe]
Apostrophe
Apostrophes are where I see the most mistakes made by you guys. I see wrong uses or apostrophes put in the wrong places, so hopefully this will sort the problem out. Due to the amount of problems I see I am going to do a when to use an apostrophe and when not to use an apostrophe.
When to use an apostrophe:
    As a singular possessive. (The boy’s confidence was shattered)
  • As a plural possessive. (The boys’ lost their confidence)
  • Also to abbreviate words, but when debating I suggest not using abbreviated words just use the full words. (Do not use abbreviations = Don’t use abbreviations)

When not to use an apostrophe:
    In a plural of a noun. WRONG (The boy’s were growing old) RIGHT (The boys were growing old)
  • Place names that appear to be possessive. WRONG (Lion’s Bay is a beautiful place) RIGHT (Lions bay is a beautiful place)
  • Public holidays that are possessive. WRONG (I do not think we should have Saint Patrick’s Day because that is my opinion) RIGHT (I do think we should have Saint Patricks Day because we get smashed)
  • Making shortened forms of words plural WRONG (The RDI’s you have used are wrong) RIGHT (The RDIs you have used are right)

See these are things that you may not have known or may be unfamiliar with and I know a lot of people do get it wrong. If you take this in and post your apostrophe’s right, it will make you and your argument look better. [multipage=Paragraph]
Paragraph
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Now I know the picture may look a bit stupid but that is a perfect metaphor for how a good reply should be set out. Now you don’t need three points like the picture shows but the things that would make it look good are definitely a conclusion, at least one main point and in some cases an introduction. No one will really want to read a block of text nearly a page long because you will just get comments like “tl;dr” (for anyone who doesn’t know that is a bad forum way of saying “It is too long so I didn’t read it). I mean would you read something like this,
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It is too long to read without breaking it up with paragraphs. I know that isn’t a great example because it is a disclaimer, but there are posts like that. All you need to is when you have finished explaining a point or you are starting a new point just press “Enter” on your keyboard and maybe even press it twice and it will look even better. All it does is help make sure that people aren’t just staring at a wall of text thinking “I cannot be bothered reading this” [multipage=There, their, and they’re]
There, their, and they're
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I really hope that you did notice that all the uses of “their, there, and their” were wrong in that picture. If not do not worry that is what I am about to explain.
When to use there:
    If you are referring to a place. (The buildings are over there, so why are we bothering)
  • In use with the verb be. (There is a building here as well)

When to use their:
    To indicate possession. (That is their building)

When to use they’re:
    To abbreviate they are. (They’re knocking the building down)

I showed you when to use “they’re” but like I said earlier I discourage you from using abbreviations when debating because people don’t view it as well. However I do hope that has cleared up a lot for you and when to use there, their and they’re. [multipage=To, too, and two]
To, too, and two
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Mistakes made with these are not as common as with “there, they’re, and their”, but still some people do mix up the use of to and too. So here is when to use them.
When to use to:
    As a preposition to a verb. (I am going to write this)
  • As a preposition for position. (You are going to bed so you can write this)

When to use too:
    It means also. (She wanted to write too)
  • To indicate excessive amounts. (She has written too much)

When to use two:
    As a number. (There are two people writing this)

I hope that will help some people who are unsure when to use which to or too, so I hope that will eradicate the problem[multipage=Your and you’re]
Your and you're
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Now this is a pretty easy point to finish off with, however I still see people making mistakes with it so I’ll cover it.
When to use your[/u]:
    As a possessive form of you. (Your point is wrong)

When to use you’re[/u]:
    As an abbreviation of you are. (You’re wrong)

I often see those two points getting mixed up so I hope that helps, but like before I discourage you from using the abbreviation, “you’re” because it doesn’t look as good as, “you are” [multipage=Extra points and conclusion]
Grammar lesson over!
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You can now rightfully wear this hat with pride, however just to finish off with some extra points.
    Do not use smileys when debating
  • Do not make everything multicoloured
  • Do not verbally abuse other people because their point is different

If you have anything else to add, or you have questions and if have made any mistakes just put a comment in below. Also for tips on debating look at Drackos’ thread You must login or register to view this content.
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03-01-2011, 08:02 AM #20
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Originally posted by Manxlad619 View Post

Also -repping me for this? Oh, Sam you do make me laugh sometimes.


i read your thread and learned nothing from it.
I don't go around posting tutorials on (How to) blah blah blah. because is a rep whore thread, You want everyone to come in here and be like wow i typed like this before(Manx is teh repzor wh0r3 z0mg) to this (Manx is a rep whore) for what? this is the internet no matter how in depth your thread is no body gonna sit there and write perfect on a gaming forum where they are (Noobs,leachers,trolls,12 years old,ect..) please don't start an argument about this with me as i don't have the time this is a community for everyone so i am allow to post what i think or what not on any thread. check where i quoted you just now. if you wasn't a rep whore you wouldn't be checking your reputation 24/7 to see who -rep or +rep. have a good 1 :y:

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03-01-2011, 09:14 AM #21
You'd have to be pretty retarded not to know the difference. :carling:
03-01-2011, 09:17 AM #22
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This is a C&P and a fail, fail thread is fail.
03-01-2011, 06:34 PM #23
Originally posted by CharlieHarper View Post
This is a C&P and a fail, fail thread is fail.


So copy and paste fail you say? You find me all this where I copy and pasted it from and I will rep you and give me all my vBux. I want to see you try.

Originally posted by Samberg View Post
Nice fail grammar and spelling in a grammar thread. :y:

Get in the SB, i'll say it to you. Smile I can -rep with a valid reason, so enjoy it. :y:

Sorry, Sam for my bad spelling due to my post being written on my iPhone, and also to the -rep, I really do not care, rep is a number on an internet forum and I will not -rep you back for it, you have your opinion and I have mine let us just leave it at that. You can say you do not like it fair enough but why do you not just leave it like that.

Originally posted by xSync View Post
i read your thread and learned nothing from it.
I don't go around posting tutorials on (How to) blah blah blah. because is a rep whore thread, You want everyone to come in here and be like wow i typed like this before(Manx is teh repzor wh0r3 z0mg) to this (Manx is a rep whore) for what? this is the internet no matter how in depth your thread is no body gonna sit there and write perfect on a gaming forum where they are (Noobs,leachers,trolls,12 years old,ect..) please don't start an argument about this with me as i don't have the time this is a community for everyone so i am allow to post what i think or what not on any thread. check where i quoted you just now. if you wasn't a rep whore you wouldn't be checking your reputation 24/7 to see who -rep or +rep. have a good 1 :y:


So I see, what you are saying is all tutorial threads are all rep whore threads, so lets find us some examples: Drackos' thread, 'How to debate properly' You must login or register to view this content. , Juddy's thread, 'How to set up a modded lobby' You must login or register to view this content. , even your thread 'How to get rid of black boxes on NGU' You must login or register to view this content. .
So according to you all these threads are rep whore threads including yours, I could find many more threads like these because they are tutorials. The site obviously has tutorials on things because that is the point of it. You can post what you think and I do not care, just leave it at that and also I will not be -repping you or Samberg for this like you said in the shoutbox because I am not that immature. Also to your last comment, I would obviously notice that I have been -repped if when I post I see my rep has gone down by 62, it is quite noticable (also I saw Samberg say it in the shoutbox).
So fair enough if you want to leave it that you can, but if you want to carry on this then quote me back, I will be happy to reply Smile
03-01-2011, 06:47 PM #24
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Originally posted by Manxlad619 View Post
So copy and paste fail you say? You find me all this where I copy and pasted it from and I will rep you and give me all my vBux. I want to see you try.


Sorry, Sam for my bad spelling due to my post being written on my iPhone, and also to the -rep, I really do not care, rep is a number on an internet forum and I will not -rep you back for it, you have your opinion and I have mine let us just leave it at that. You can say you do not like it fair enough but why do you not just leave it like that.



So I see, what you are saying is all tutorial threads are all rep whore threads, so lets find us some examples: Drackos' thread, 'How to debate properly' You must login or register to view this content. , Juddy's thread, 'How to set up a modded lobby' You must login or register to view this content. , even your thread 'How to get rid of black boxes on NGU' You must login or register to view this content. .
So according to you all these threads are rep whore threads including yours, I could find many more threads like these because they are tutorials. The site obviously has tutorials on things because that is the point of it. You can post what you think and I do not care, just leave it at that and also I will not be -repping you or Samberg for this like you said in the shoutbox because I am not that immature. Also to your last comment, I would obviously notice that I have been -repped if when I post I see my rep has gone down by 62, it is quite noticable (also I saw Samberg say it in the shoutbox).
So fair enough if you want to leave it that you can, but if you want to carry on this then quote me back, I will be happy to reply Smile


oh Noez (Chin Drops) u found my How to Thread z0mg :O that was something the needed to be done because no one likes the black boxes :FU: a lot of people have (HOW TO) threads and if i don't like it or see the point on it i give my opinion you can do the same to my thread if it makes you happy this isn't school man all you wrote on this thread you guys suppose to learn it in school not on a gaming forum just saying...
03-01-2011, 07:01 PM #25
Originally posted by xSync View Post
oh Noez (Chin Drops) u found my How to Thread z0mg :O that was something the needed to be done because no one likes the black boxes :FU: a lot of people have (HOW TO) threads and if i don't like it or see the point on it i give my opinion you can do the same to my thread if it makes you happy this isn't school man all you wrote on this thread you guys suppose to learn it in school not on a gaming forum just saying...


Well you are entitled to your opinion but just remember what your opinion is, you said 'How to threads, are rep whore threads' So I have got all of your supposed rep whore threads.
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There you go all your supposed rep whore threads, that is all this is, a tutorial, unless you see all those threads as rep whore threads, then mine is no different. Just remember you are entitled to an opinion, but most of the time the other person is not going to agree.
03-01-2011, 07:02 PM #26
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Originally posted by Manxlad619 View Post
Well as you can see from the title this a thread to teach you guys how to use proper punctuation and a few grammar points when you are debating. I will start with some very basic things that everyone I hope should know and then I will advance along to points that everyone needs to learn and I will give examples that might be in a debate with every point.
Let us begin. [multipage=Full stop]
Full stop
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Like I said I’ll start with the basics, everyone should know when to use full stops, it is basic punctuation you should learn in primary school.
You use full stops when:
    It is the end of a sentence. (This is an example.)
  • Indicating decimals. (50.5% of America are atheists)

Ok very basic punctuation that you should use. I do see quite a lot of people making a huge paragraph with no full stops or any punctuation to break it up. Remember always use capital letters after a full stop. [multipage=Comma]
Comma
The comma is another basic bit of punctuation that will help make your point clearer and look better set out. The uses of the comma are as follows:
    To split up adjectives or adverbs that are next to each other in a sentence. (My point is that it will be long, hard and time-consuming to demolish the cathedral)
  • To add meaning, expand on the point, or break up the main topic or idea of the sentence. (That cathedral is old, but it is still functioning)
  • The first word of a sentence that does not have a direct purpose and it is used to start the sentence. (However, I do think that cathedral takes up space)
  • To prevent misreading the sentence. (To the old, cathedrals are a necessity)
  • Before using a conjunction. (The cathedral maybe of use, but I don’t think it is needed anymore.
  • In a list (The things that are good about the cathedral are: its heritage, its beautiful architecture, and its great views.)

The comma is a great bit of punctuation that just helps out in so many ways. We use it so often, but we also forget it a lot as well. [multipage=Colon]
Colon
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Colons are very common and are used often. They are good to see as long as they are used correctly because there are not many uses for it. The uses are:
    At the end of a clause to start a list. (I think they should shut this factory down because: It is old, it is dysfunctional, and it is falling apart.)
  • A restatement of the last clause. (The factory is falling apart: the walls are falling apart.)
  • An elaboration of the last clause. (The factory is old: it was built in the 1960s)
As you can see it has some great uses as long as it isn’t put in the wrong places or overused. Otherwise include a colon.
[multipage=Semi-colon]
Semi-colon
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Semi-colons are a useful bit of punctuation but I rarely see them used. The uses are:
    To separate a list instead of commas if commas are already used. (The things I like about the car are: its great handling; its sleek, silver frame; its speed; and its colour.)
  • It is also used to make a pause that is longer than a comma but shorter than a pause. (The car looks very good; the design is amazing.)

The semi-colon may not have many uses but it is very effective when used in debates and shows you know how to use it and gives a feel of professionalism. [multipage=Apostrophe]
Apostrophe
Apostrophes are where I see the most mistakes made by you guys. I see wrong uses or apostrophes put in the wrong places, so hopefully this will sort the problem out. Due to the amount of problems I see I am going to do a when to use an apostrophe and when not to use an apostrophe.
When to use an apostrophe:
    As a singular possessive. (The boy’s confidence was shattered)
  • As a plural possessive. (The boys’ lost their confidence)
  • Also to abbreviate words, but when debating I suggest not using abbreviated words just use the full words. (Do not use abbreviations = Don’t use abbreviations)

When not to use an apostrophe:
    In a plural of a noun. WRONG (The boy’s were growing old) RIGHT (The boys were growing old)
  • Place names that appear to be possessive. WRONG (Lion’s Bay is a beautiful place) RIGHT (Lions bay is a beautiful place)
  • Public holidays that are possessive. WRONG (I do not think we should have Saint Patrick’s Day because that is my opinion) RIGHT (I do think we should have Saint Patricks Day because we get smashed)
  • Making shortened forms of words plural WRONG (The RDI’s you have used are wrong) RIGHT (The RDIs you have used are right)

See these are things that you may not have known or may be unfamiliar with and I know a lot of people do get it wrong. If you take this in and post your apostrophe’s right, it will make you and your argument look better. [multipage=Paragraph]
Paragraph
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Now I know the picture may look a bit stupid but that is a perfect metaphor for how a good reply should be set out. Now you don’t need three points like the picture shows but the things that would make it look good are definitely a conclusion, at least one main point and in some cases an introduction. No one will really want to read a block of text nearly a page long because you will just get comments like “tl;dr” (for anyone who doesn’t know that is a bad forum way of saying “It is too long so I didn’t read it). I mean would you read something like this,
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It is too long to read without breaking it up with paragraphs. I know that isn’t a great example because it is a disclaimer, but there are posts like that. All you need to is when you have finished explaining a point or you are starting a new point just press “Enter” on your keyboard and maybe even press it twice and it will look even better. All it does is help make sure that people aren’t just staring at a wall of text thinking “I cannot be bothered reading this” [multipage=There, their, and they’re]
There, their, and they're
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I really hope that you did notice that all the uses of “their, there, and their” were wrong in that picture. If not do not worry that is what I am about to explain.
When to use there:
    If you are referring to a place. (The buildings are over there, so why are we bothering)
  • In use with the verb be. (There is a building here as well)

When to use their:
    To indicate possession. (That is their building)

When to use they’re:
    To abbreviate they are. (They’re knocking the building down)

I showed you when to use “they’re” but like I said earlier I discourage you from using abbreviations when debating because people don’t view it as well. However I do hope that has cleared up a lot for you and when to use there, their and they’re. [multipage=To, too, and two]
To, too, and two
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Mistakes made with these are not as common as with “there, they’re, and their”, but still some people do mix up the use of to and too. So here is when to use them.
When to use to:
    As a preposition to a verb. (I am going to write this)
  • As a preposition for position. (You are going to bed so you can write this)

When to use too:
    It means also. (She wanted to write too)
  • To indicate excessive amounts. (She has written too much)

When to use two:
    As a number. (There are two people writing this)

I hope that will help some people who are unsure when to use which to or too, so I hope that will eradicate the problem[multipage=Your and you’re]
Your and you're
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Now this is a pretty easy point to finish off with, however I still see people making mistakes with it so I’ll cover it.
When to use your[/u]:
    As a possessive form of you. (Your point is wrong)

When to use you’re[/u]:
    As an abbreviation of you are. (You’re wrong)

I often see those two points getting mixed up so I hope that helps, but like before I discourage you from using the abbreviation, “you’re” because it doesn’t look as good as, “you are” [multipage=Extra points and conclusion]
Grammar lesson over!
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You can now rightfully wear this hat with pride, however just to finish off with some extra points.
    Do not use smileys when debating
  • Do not make everything multicoloured
  • Do not verbally abuse other people because their point is different

If you have anything else to add, or you have questions and if have made any mistakes just put a comment in below. Also for tips on debating look at Drackos’ thread You must login or register to view this content.





You need to make a tutorial on how to read first...
03-01-2011, 07:09 PM #27
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Well you are entitled to your opinion but just remember what your opinion is, you said 'How to threads, are rep whore threads' So I have got all of your supposed rep whore threads.
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There you go all your supposed rep whore threads, that is all this is, a tutorial, unless you see all those threads as rep whore threads, then mine is no different. Just remember you are entitled to an opinion, but most of the time the other person is not going to agree.


Funny how none of them got me any of the rep i have now. :y: good you point does out but check the date on those threads. the only one the i made recently was the one for black boxes and i didn't do it for teh rep. :y:
03-01-2011, 07:17 PM #28
Originally posted by Dr.Fox View Post
You need to make a tutorial on how to read first...


Please elaborate as your post has no relevance to anything, so if you would kindly explain what you have written, that would be great.

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