Post: Q. and A. on the Nuclear Crisis in Japan
03-16-2011, 09:27 PM #1
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There already is Q and A thread about Japan earthquake, but not about nuclear crisis. This thread is about nuclear crisis.
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Media Hysteria?

Q.
Originally posted by another user
Why is the media giving such hysteric coverage to an issue which at its absolute worst might cause some people to relocate away from the immediate vicinity of the power station and leave an expensive cleanup mess… all while there are tens of thousands dead and dying from the effects of the tsunami and a vast swath of devastation to infrastructure which poses a far more immediate and ongoing hazard to both individuals and the greater economy?


A.
When quake and tsunami hit, newspapers realized that this would be a multidimensional crisis. There is the heartbreaking human story, as the residents of the northeast coast try to rebuild their lives. Those stories have been told with great sympathy in articles. And then, there are the broader issues.

But media also realized that the nuclear crisis occuring at the Fukushima plant was unlike any we have seen in history. While damage from the quake and tsunami was visible, the nuclear impact, it could affect far larger population of Japan and neighboring countries. Sadly, that is exactly what is happening.

Health Risks

Q.
Originally posted by another user
I live in Oakland and can’t seem to get clear information about when and if radioactive materials will arrive here from the jet stream. And if so, what dosage or for how many days we should take potassium iodide to protect our thyroids.


A.
This is frustrating for all, because the answer depends in part on the prevailing winds. However, experts strongly doubt that there will be any significant risk on the West Coast, and say there is no reason to take the potassium iodide unless high levels of radioactive iodine develop. In addition, about 98 percent of a person’s dose comes from drinking contaminated milk, and if fallout were to reach here most people could protect themselves by not drinking milk.

Q.
Originally posted by another user
Is there a danger in interacting with people who have been exposed to radiation from this disaster? Particularly for young children? Would radiation be left behind in an apartment if someone from Tokyo were to come right now to stay as a guest?


A.
The only risk would be if someone contaminated at the site came into your home wearing clothing full of radioactive fallout. Otherwise, you are O.K.

Q.
Originally posted by another user
Like many expats here in Japan I get my news from both Japanese and overseas services. But genuine nuclear experts are so inconsistent in their reactions to this crisis, and so much panic is spreading in Tokyo and throughout Japan in relation to this. With us in mind and the practicalities of our daily living, could you please give some realistic feedback as to how/whether this crisis is going to irradiate us 260 kilometers away in Tokyo, poison our food supply and create long-term serious health risks beyond that 30-kilometer radius around the plant? People here really want solid information about how radioactivity works in layman’s terms, and what we need is solid information that is not laden with fear-mongering doomsday scenarios but real, practical advice.


A.
An article said that the Japanese government has “taken precautions that should prevent the accident from becoming another Chernobyl, even if additional radiation is released.”

Originally posted by another user
The Japanese government has evacuated people closest to the plant, told others to stay indoors and distributed the drug potassium iodide to protect the thyroid gland from radioactive iodine.

The great tragedy of Chernobyl was an epidemic of thyroid cancer among people exposed to the radiation as children — more than 6,000 cases so far, with more expected for many years to come. There is no reason for it to be repeated in Japan.

The epidemic in Chernobyl was preventable and would probably not have happened if people had been told to stop drinking locally produced milk, which was by far the most important source of radiation. Cows ate grass contaminated by fallout from the reactors and secreted radioactive iodine in their milk.


Q.
Originally posted by another user
Folks in the vicinity of the power plant have been asked to stay indoors to protect themselves from the radiation. Is that really sufficient? How does this kind of radiation differ from an X-ray?


A.
People near the plant have been evacuated. The ones being warned to stay inside are miles and miles away. There's some dispersion of the clouds and levels at a distance should decrease, so the risk decreases too and staying inside, seems like a rdecent precaution.

Crisis at the Reactors

Q.
Originally posted by another user
How is water currently being pumped into the reactors? Are fire hoses the sole method being used? Reports have indicated that backup diesel generators were brought to the site but were not able to be used to drive the pumps. There have also been reports of pump failures. Have detailed descriptions of the status of each reactor (including cooling methods and equipment failures) been made public? Given the contamination of site, it would seem that finding a way to supply coolant with minimal human presence is essential.


A.
The Japanese authorities have provided few details of how they are pumping water into the three stricken reactors. Nuclear engineers and executives say that the Japanese are propably using several pumper engine firetrucks in a row. This technique is sometimes used in high-rise firefighting, when the goal is to maximize the flow and pressure of the water. At the Fukushima plant, maximum pressure is needed to force water into overheated reactors.

The pumping process has been full of problems. Temperature and pressure climbed in the reactor as a result may have contributed to damage to the fuel rods and to an explosion.

Japanese officials have looked for other options. One idea under consideration has been to use helicopters to drop water. But helicopter crews received heavy doses of radiation from the smoke.

Q.
Originally posted by another user
Where is the sea water that is being pumped in to cool the reactors going, and is this water contaminated?


A.
The sea water is turning to steam. The reactor is still so hot that the sea water they are pumping in is just intended to replace the amount that boils off and they're just managing to keep the reactor covered with water.

In the reactors that have had fuel rod exposure, the steam would be contaminated with radioactive elements, which has been exposed because of cracking of the zirconium. The contaminated steam leaves the reactor tank and enters the containment structure. To avoid a pressure buildup, the containment structure must be vented periodically, resulting in the release of radioactivity to the environment.

Q.
Originally posted by another user
I keep seeing the phrase “shut down” in reference to the nuclear reactors at Fukushima, but clearly they are not shut down as they are still generating tremendous energy in the form of heat. How is a nuclear reactor “turned off”?


A.
The reactors at the Fukushima plant are shut down, meaning that the nuclear chain reaction has been aborted. That happened automatically when the earthquake struck.

The reactors were very hot and it takes a while to remove that heat. In addition even though the chain reaction is stopped, heat is still generated in the fuel. This heat is why they need to keep pumping water into the reactor core, exposing the fuel rods. And if the fuel rods are exposed, even for a short time, they become damaged and radioactivity is released.

Q.
Originally posted by another user
In the case of a full core meltdown, would the entry/exit ports in the primary containment vessel used for adding cooling water and for venting steam be the first location of release of radioactive materials? Or would a full core meltdown be an explosive event that would destroy the entire containment vessel?


A.
Experts differ on the impact of a full meltdown of the nuclear fuel at reactors. Some say that the melted fuel would be unlikely to burn through the walls of the reactor vessel. Others say that a burn-through would happen, with the melted fuel then falling to the floor of the containment structure. What would happen next is a subject of debate too. Some experts think the fuel would not progress far before it started to cool. Others say that it could reach the walls of the containment structure and damage it. Some experts are worried that steam explosions might completely destroy the containment structure.

Even if melted fuel remains in the reactor vessel, radiation will escape through vents into the containment structure. And the containment structures in at least two of the reactor buildings appear to have been damaged.

Q.
Originally posted by another user
The Onagawa nuclear plant is much closer to the earthquake and tsunami zone than the Fukushima plant but appears to have shut down safely while Fukushima has not. Can you explain the differences in what happened and is happening at the two nuclear locations?


A.
It's not clear yet, but the answer appears to lie in the backup cooling systems. At Fukushima, the plants survived the earthquake, but the backup cooling was wiped out by the tsunami. The question of why one plant survived so well and another did not will be the focus of many questions as journalists try to reconstruct events.

A Question of Human Error

Q.
Originally posted by another user
Has human error contributed to the severity of the situation? I’ve seen reports of a critical generator running out of fuel, a valve that was improperly left closed, and I suspect that preventive actions could have avoided the hydrogen buildup that led to at least two explosions.


A.
When a fire pump ran out of fuel and shut down outside Reactor No. 2 on Monday night, that was human error. But it is not clear that the rest of the difficulties are related to human error.

There isn't confirmation that a valve was improperly left closed, and/or the valves have been under a lot of strain on overheated reactors. Some Western nuclear engineers have wondered if the Japanese waited too long to begin pumping in seawater and boric acid. But the Japanese technicians faced a tough problem in figuring out how much boric acid to use and how to move the seawater after the tsunami.

Chernobyl and Three Mile Island

Q.
Originally posted by another user
The apparent solution to containing the “mess” in Chernobyl was to build a giant concrete sarcophagus around the reactor. Hindsight has shown that to be an error. When all is said and done here, what is the best way to deal with the toxic remnants of the reactors and nuclear waste?


A.
The international agreement is that eventually, reactor wastes will have to be buried. The United States plans to do that with all spent reactor fuel. It is sitting in containers at the Idaho National Laboratory, near Idaho Springs.

In the shorter term, the cores from Fukushima are also likely to go into containers. Such “dry cask storage” can keep reactor wastes isolated for decades, with minimal requirements for inspection, and no moving parts.

The Japanese “recycle” some of their fuel. That could also happen to the reactor core rubble from Fukushima. But those wastes, too, will probably eventually be buried.

Q.
Originally posted by another user
In the event that the damaged reactors in Japan cool sufficiently to “entomb” their contents, then what? We know they will not be used again, but how can they be managed; and how long can they sustain an entombing integrity, especially considering that there may be multiple structural breaches within various components of each of these reactors? What should we expect from them in the event of future natural disasters in the same area?


A.
At Three Mile Island, the fuel was cleaned out and shipped off site and the reactor vessel was left to wait until a companion plant was ready for retirement. At that point, probably both will be torn down just as other old reactors. The Fukushima accident is not over, but unless it gets a lot worse, defueling is more likely than entombment, because someone is likely to want to reuse the site.

Q.
Originally posted by another user
The Chernobyl plant used a graphite moderator that burned and distributed radioactive fallout over a wide area. The Japanese plant doesn’t use graphite. What, if anything, is the mechanism by which radioactive materials could be distributed over a wide area?


A.
There are two potential mechanisms. One is to pump in cold water and wait for it to boil off, and then release the steam. The other is that the spent fuel pools are heating up. If they boil dry, there is a theory that the fuel could get hot enough so that its metal cladding an it could catch fire. A fire would produce enough energy to lift radioactive contaminants into the air.

At Chernobyl, the graphite burned and provided enough energy to lift the radioactive material into the jet stream. It isn't clear whether a significant portion of the wastes from Fukushima could rise that high. With a little luck, material could stay in the lower atmosphere and be washed out by rainstorms over the Pacific.

Nuclear Policy

Q.
Originally posted by another user
I read that Japan has 55 nuclear reactors on an island country about the size of California. How did the Japanese government justify this when the region is a hotbed for earthquakes? Were these plants pitched as being earthquake safe? How is it that with the threat of tsunamis that nuclear plants were built right on the beach?


A.
Reactors are attractive to Japan because the country has barely any fossil fuels, which together make up 70 percent of American power generation or any significant oil supply.

Almost all of Japan’s civil infrastructure is built with earthquakes and tsunamis in mind. The country is ringed with tsunami barriers. But this earthquake was the largest in recorded (Japan's) history and the tsunami was higher than the planners assumed. And along with killing thousands of people, it swamped the reactors.

Q.
Originally posted by another user
It seems that too much is at stake to allow private companies to operate nuclear reactors. They can’t even insure themselves, so of course they will keep operating even if they shouldn’t. If we are to rely on nuclear power, why not have a federal agency analogous to NASA run them?


A.
That's an interesting policy question that came up, during last year’s oil spill as well. Nuclear power plants are subject to federal regulation; the question you are raising is whether safety would be better if they were state-owned. The answer to that question is not clear. And NASA no longer has a monopoly on space flight: One key element of the Obama administration’s space strategy is to encourage more private firms to enter the fray.


I left out one question, becouse it was question related to NY Times.
Please, don't flame me for copy pasting, becouse editing and shortening text took me a lot of time.
Thanks and I hope this answered your questions about this nuclear crisis.
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PULS3
03-16-2011, 09:54 PM #2
Konsole
A.K.A Konsole
I've already made a thread about this.
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The thread was made for a discussion about the primary and secondary effects of the earthquake, and the nuclear crisis falls into one of them. I would post this thread in a reply in it :y:
03-16-2011, 09:57 PM #3
Originally posted by Oink View Post
I've already made a thread about this.
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But this is just about Nuclear Crisis and possible effects it can cause, and your Q and A was generally about eartquake so it's different.
03-17-2011, 02:40 PM #4
Merkii
Former Staff
I hope the wind's dont come to ireland :L
03-17-2011, 03:01 PM #5
PULS3
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Wow.Looks like I wont have to worry too much here in Cali.
03-17-2011, 03:10 PM #6
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At least I can fight
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