Post: Why Lebron is better then Kobe
05-05-2011, 06:50 PM #1
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Yeah I know that is old, but I came across it while doing a project for school and It pretty much was godly.

tl:dr

Lebron is a boss.
Kobe is a ball hog.
Kobe can't rebound.
Kobe likes black cawk.

11. Lebron never got swept by the Mavericks =D
12. Lebron never got beat by the Mavericks 122-86 (Lmfao)
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05-08-2011, 07:07 PM #11
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Originally posted by Day215 View Post
OK for one Kobe doesn't put up 1-2 assists and game. His career average is a little under 5 assists per game. He averages 25 in his career. Lets not be a complete band wagon fag just because Miami is doing good they wont get past the Bulls. LeBron doesn't have a better attitude then Kobe and really is considered the games most self centered player the NBA has seen in a long long time. "The Decision" I dont think kobe has done a selfish thing like that just to get in the public eye. Kobe has a much better Career to me so far then an extra 2 points per game and 2 assists that LeBron has you cant compare the two with Kobe dwarfing LeBron in rings. Sure the Heat are good but shouldnt they when they are paying basically max contracts to 3 players? Before you start coming to conclusions lets do some more research shall we then just basing your knowledge of one website and your knowledge of saying Kobe is a ball hog when clearly the team is designed for him to dominate.

Why do you think that Phil has won rings with Kobe? He has a designed strategy that has Kobe dominate and it shows with the rings they have won. Lets do some real research here.


I read like three lines of that because I've never been able to read walls of text.

But what I will say is, LEBRON NEVER HAD A ****ING TEAM. Which was pointed out in the OP. Thats why he has no rings. KOBE HAD A ****ING TEAM.

"The Decision" was selfish? It Raised over 3 MILLION dollars for charity. Tell me, has Kobe ever done that?

"Bandwagoner" I've always been a Lebron fan since I've payed attention to basketball. And I've been a heat fan since before I was into basketball because 2 of my cousins and my brother like the Heat/Dwade. So no, I'm not a bandwagoner.

Kobe may get "A little under 5 assists a game" but thats just because he tries to go to the rim, gets denied, and has to dish it out to someone.

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05-08-2011, 08:04 PM #12
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Originally posted by ClutchLikeMiami View Post
All I'm gonna say is read OP.

ignorance at it's finest =D
you just know i'm right, you're agruement is horrible,
comparing stats to rings lmao.
05-08-2011, 08:07 PM #13
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05-08-2011, 08:17 PM #14
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**** Miami.
10 reasons why kobe's better.

10- Kobe is a Champion
Let’s get the obvious out of the way. Championships are the measuring stick we use in American sports. It is why Michael Jordan is still making underwear commercials. Would we all be so interested in his “Airness” if he did not rattle off two three-peats in his career? I will make it easier: would we laud Robert Horry with so much praise if he didn’t have the jewelry that he does? No, he would just be a great role player that played for various teams, and sort of looks like Will Smith.

9- Kobe Stayed
This is a rarity nowadays. You almost can never purchase a team jersey. Then you’re “that guy” walking down the aisle at a Dodger game with a Steve Finley jersey.

Kobe tested the waters of free agency. I remember. Los Angeles was losing their collective minds like it was rainy season. No one knew what to do or say. Church attendance was at an all time high. Then came his “decision.” He said he would come back. He had a press conference. And then went to work. Yes work, not Tao.

8-Kobe has a Closer’s Mentality
This is perhaps everyone’s favorite trait to expound on an athlete. He is a killer. Although I am sure it is not as if Kobe Bryant and Mariano Rivera are out big game hunting with a pocket knife and floss in the off-season. There is truth to this mentality, though, and the success it lends to the athlete.

LeBron James has now fled the harder of scenarios for much greener pastures. The champagne is flowing before he has won anything in Miami. Which is fine when you consider this is the party LeBron enjoys. No pressure.

7- Kobe has No Friends
Now there are those that like Kobe, hell, even love Kobe. But you do not have the kind of relationships on the court that you might have between, let’s say, Magic and Isaiah Thomas. You will not find The Black Mamba kissing his opponent before a game. Kobe barely shakes hands before a tip-off. Why congratulate your next kill. That would just be rude.

He does, however, have enemies, those that irritate him. These are people we would normally try to avoid. But things are a bit different when you are chasing titles. Kobe welcomes the pushes and shoves. So much so that sometimes these enemies become allies. Take for example, Matt Barnes, whom a few months ago was trying to bounce a ball off of the Mamba’s grill.

Now Bryant is welcoming him to Los Angeles. Matt Barnes, a recent Laker acquisition, relayed, "He told me anyone crazy enough to (explicit word) mess with me is crazy enough to play with me." Kobe loves winning so much he will do it with his enemies

6- Names
Kobe is the best tasting beef you can get in the world. It is made from cows that are fed on beer and little cow dreams.

LeBron is, by my best guess, a French term for someone who has the pre-disposition to take his talents elsewhere.

5- Kobe's not a ball hog. Kobe Wants the Ball
Better yet, he craves the ball. No, no, that won’t do. He demands the ball. But this seemingly bad trait has become the epitome of what people now want in their athletes. By people, I mean Cleveland and by now, I mean since LeBron tanked in the playoffs. Kobe has had his detractors but no one can deny that he wants the ball at all times.

4- Defense
LeBron has turned the corner on defense. He has received honors for NBA All-Defensive first team in 2009 and 2010. This is a new trend and is not indicative of his whole career. LeBron only recently has showed the tenacity it takes to be successful on the opposite side of the ball.

Kobe Bryant is an eight-time first-team and two-time second-team All-NBA defensive selection. More importantly is his insistence at times to lock-down the opposing team’s best player, as he did recently with Rajon Rondo in the 2010 NBA Finals.

3- He knows who he is.
When describing himself as a leader, Kobe has no qualms telling people that Derek Fisher is the nurturing one and he, well, is not. He knows his role. He understands that some people hate him and that some people expect the world from him. It is the latter that gets him up in the morning for workouts.

When James left Cleveland, one thing became very clear. LeBron James does not mind not being the man. The wear and tear of knowing the city’s hopes were on your shoulders was too much for him. Yet he wants to be a global icon, a champion, a ringleader. The dream is counter to his lackluster drive. He has been told time and again he is the king but he has not realized that his actions have told us otherwise. He would much rather hold court alongside others than lock-down the throne himself. The king would very much like to be the jester on a winning team.

2- He has been through the Fire
You cannot have a ten-point article on Kobe and not mention Colorado. Taking just the sports angle here, you have to marvel at the extreme nature of the trial and what Kobe did. During the regular season in 2003 he went back and forth from Colorado. All the while he maintained his court edge, leadership, and gaudy numbers. He even came back in time to empty a buzzer beater on the Portland Trailblazers at the end of the season, giving them the Pacific division.

For years after, Kobe was vilified. He lost his credibility and sponsors. But here we are. Someone is actually writing an article on how Kobe is better than someone dubbed “The King.” It speaks volumes to Bryant’s tenacity and “win at all costs” nature. History will view him as a winner. A few years ago this was far from true.

1- Kobe is lucky.
I am not talking about his shots that fly through the net with regularity. You can chalk that up to skill and hard work. Kobe is lucky to be in Los Angeles. We can all wonder what would have happened to Kobe Bryant had he stayed in Charlotte, the team that originally drafted him.

The trade that sent Kobe to L.A. and Vlade Divac to the Hornets was in hindsight very fortuitous for Bryant. He was immediately placed on a playoff team with a superstar that could take some of the growing pains out.

Kobe wasn’t the best or brightest to start out. He has come to this point in his career through sheer sweat and determination, but it could have been worse. He could have been LeBron before LeBron.

LeBron James was drafted by the Cleveland Cavaliers, his home team. The tale could have been so sweet. You would have to disregard the fact that Cleveland is a championship-barren wasteland, a place where hopes go to die. But in his signing with Cleveland, you could see the end of the story. “Local boy comes to save the day!”

What is missing from all this is sports, in its precise moments and overall big picture, takes a lot of luck. You not only need to be good. But you also need a great team around you. You also need a great coach. You also need to be healthy…and so on. Kobe Bryant is a hardworking athlete that landed on the right team at the right time.

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its not that old. i found this trying to find the truth about this topic. and this spoke the truth.


Originally posted by ClutchLikeMiami View Post
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Yeah I know that is old, but I came across it while doing a project for school and It pretty much was godly.

tl:dr

Lebron is a boss.
Kobe is a ball hog.
Kobe can't rebound.
Kobe likes black cawk.

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05-08-2011, 08:55 PM #15
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Originally posted by Trunks View Post
**** Miami.
10 reasons why kobe's better.

10- Kobe is a Champion
Let’s get the obvious out of the way. Championships are the measuring stick we use in American sports. It is why Michael Jordan is still making underwear commercials. Would we all be so interested in his “Airness” if he did not rattle off two three-peats in his career? I will make it easier: would we laud Robert Horry with so much praise if he didn’t have the jewelry that he does? No, he would just be a great role player that played for various teams, and sort of looks like Will Smith.

9- Kobe Stayed
This is a rarity nowadays. You almost can never purchase a team jersey. Then you’re “that guy” walking down the aisle at a Dodger game with a Steve Finley jersey.

Kobe tested the waters of free agency. I remember. Los Angeles was losing their collective minds like it was rainy season. No one knew what to do or say. Church attendance was at an all time high. Then came his “decision.” He said he would come back. He had a press conference. And then went to work. Yes work, not Tao.

8-Kobe has a Closer’s Mentality
This is perhaps everyone’s favorite trait to expound on an athlete. He is a killer. Although I am sure it is not as if Kobe Bryant and Mariano Rivera are out big game hunting with a pocket knife and floss in the off-season. There is truth to this mentality, though, and the success it lends to the athlete.

LeBron James has now fled the harder of scenarios for much greener pastures. The champagne is flowing before he has won anything in Miami. Which is fine when you consider this is the party LeBron enjoys. No pressure.

7- Kobe has No Friends
Now there are those that like Kobe, hell, even love Kobe. But you do not have the kind of relationships on the court that you might have between, let’s say, Magic and Isaiah Thomas. You will not find The Black Mamba kissing his opponent before a game. Kobe barely shakes hands before a tip-off. Why congratulate your next kill. That would just be rude.

He does, however, have enemies, those that irritate him. These are people we would normally try to avoid. But things are a bit different when you are chasing titles. Kobe welcomes the pushes and shoves. So much so that sometimes these enemies become allies. Take for example, Matt Barnes, whom a few months ago was trying to bounce a ball off of the Mamba’s grill.

Now Bryant is welcoming him to Los Angeles. Matt Barnes, a recent Laker acquisition, relayed, "He told me anyone crazy enough to (explicit word) mess with me is crazy enough to play with me." Kobe loves winning so much he will do it with his enemies

6- Names
Kobe is the best tasting beef you can get in the world. It is made from cows that are fed on beer and little cow dreams.

LeBron is, by my best guess, a French term for someone who has the pre-disposition to take his talents elsewhere.

5- Kobe's not a ball hog. Kobe Wants the Ball
Better yet, he craves the ball. No, no, that won’t do. He demands the ball. But this seemingly bad trait has become the epitome of what people now want in their athletes. By people, I mean Cleveland and by now, I mean since LeBron tanked in the playoffs. Kobe has had his detractors but no one can deny that he wants the ball at all times.

4- Defense
LeBron has turned the corner on defense. He has received honors for NBA All-Defensive first team in 2009 and 2010. This is a new trend and is not indicative of his whole career. LeBron only recently has showed the tenacity it takes to be successful on the opposite side of the ball.

Kobe Bryant is an eight-time first-team and two-time second-team All-NBA defensive selection. More importantly is his insistence at times to lock-down the opposing team’s best player, as he did recently with Rajon Rondo in the 2010 NBA Finals.

3- He knows who he is.
When describing himself as a leader, Kobe has no qualms telling people that Derek Fisher is the nurturing one and he, well, is not. He knows his role. He understands that some people hate him and that some people expect the world from him. It is the latter that gets him up in the morning for workouts.

When James left Cleveland, one thing became very clear. LeBron James does not mind not being the man. The wear and tear of knowing the city’s hopes were on your shoulders was too much for him. Yet he wants to be a global icon, a champion, a ringleader. The dream is counter to his lackluster drive. He has been told time and again he is the king but he has not realized that his actions have told us otherwise. He would much rather hold court alongside others than lock-down the throne himself. The king would very much like to be the jester on a winning team.

2- He has been through the Fire
You cannot have a ten-point article on Kobe and not mention Colorado. Taking just the sports angle here, you have to marvel at the extreme nature of the trial and what Kobe did. During the regular season in 2003 he went back and forth from Colorado. All the while he maintained his court edge, leadership, and gaudy numbers. He even came back in time to empty a buzzer beater on the Portland Trailblazers at the end of the season, giving them the Pacific division.

For years after, Kobe was vilified. He lost his credibility and sponsors. But here we are. Someone is actually writing an article on how Kobe is better than someone dubbed “The King.” It speaks volumes to Bryant’s tenacity and “win at all costs” nature. History will view him as a winner. A few years ago this was far from true.

1- Kobe is lucky.
I am not talking about his shots that fly through the net with regularity. You can chalk that up to skill and hard work. Kobe is lucky to be in Los Angeles. We can all wonder what would have happened to Kobe Bryant had he stayed in Charlotte, the team that originally drafted him.

The trade that sent Kobe to L.A. and Vlade Divac to the Hornets was in hindsight very fortuitous for Bryant. He was immediately placed on a playoff team with a superstar that could take some of the growing pains out.

Kobe wasn’t the best or brightest to start out. He has come to this point in his career through sheer sweat and determination, but it could have been worse. He could have been LeBron before LeBron.

LeBron James was drafted by the Cleveland Cavaliers, his home team. The tale could have been so sweet. You would have to disregard the fact that Cleveland is a championship-barren wasteland, a place where hopes go to die. But in his signing with Cleveland, you could see the end of the story. “Local boy comes to save the day!”

What is missing from all this is sports, in its precise moments and overall big picture, takes a lot of luck. You not only need to be good. But you also need a great team around you. You also need a great coach. You also need to be healthy…and so on. Kobe Bryant is a hardworking athlete that landed on the right team at the right time.

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its not that old. i found this trying to find the truth about this topic. and this spoke the truth.



#1 is the reason why #10 happend. #1 is the reason why #10 is the reason why #9 happend. And #1/#10/#9 is pretty much why everything else has happend. Kobe got put with the great players, good coach, good fans (for the most part). Lebron got put with the avg/below avg players, coachs that got changed, and Cleveland (lul)

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Originally posted by Alex View Post
ignorance at it's finest =D
you just know i'm right, you're agruement is horrible,
comparing stats to rings lmao.


See, this is why I hate talking to 99% of the people who like the Lakers. They think they are always right. Did you even read the article I posted? Because if you did it clearly said
Originally posted by another user

eBron James led his team in scoring in 2009-2010. No one else on the team averaged more than 15.8 points.

LeBron James led his team in assists in 2009-2010. No one else on the team averaged more than 5.3 assists.

Besides Antawn Jamison, who played only 25 games for the Cavaliers, LeBron James finished second on his team in rebounds in 2009-2010 with 7.3 per game compared to Anderson Varejao's 7.6.

During the 2009-2010 season, Kobe Bryant played on a team with Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, and Andrew Bynum.

Kevin Garnett had Paul Pierce, Rajon Rondo, and Ray Allen.

Dwight Howard had Rashard Lewis, Vince Carter, and Jameer Nelson.

Steve Nash and Amare Stoudemire had each other.

Meanwhile, LeBron James had Mo Williams, an aging Shaquille O'Neal, and a part season of Antawn Jamison.

Put LeBron on any of those other teams, and the NBA Finals would already be over.

It never would have gotten to Game Seven.


Just look at some of those stats. Look at how stacked the team kobe is on compared to Lebrons Pre-Miami. Look how good Lebron still did. If you put Lebron on the Lakers and Kobe on the Cavs he wouldn't have any MVP's, any Championships, maybe 3-4 all stars, any scoring titles, ANYTHING. Lebron would have 4+ rings, all the mvps+ scoring titles he has now.

Oh and all of you would be bandwagoing Lebron.
05-08-2011, 09:04 PM #16
Alex
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Originally posted by ClutchLikeMiami View Post
See, this is why I hate talking to 99% of the people who like the Lakers. They think they are always right. Did you even read the article I posted? Because if you did it clearly said


Just look at some of those stats. Look at how stacked the team kobe is on compared to Lebrons Pre-Miami. Look how good Lebron still did. If you put Lebron on the Lakers and Kobe on the Cavs he wouldn't have any MVP's, any Championships, maybe 3-4 all stars, any scoring titles, ANYTHING. Lebron would have 4+ rings, all the mvps+ scoring titles he has now.

Oh and all of you would be bandwagoing Lebron.

I never said i liked the Lakers, which i don't Eek
Your argument is full of stats and excuses. Grab a hold on reality.
Kobe has 5 rings. Lebron has 0 rings.
lmao at you saying we would bandwagon LBJ, like you? lmao
"ClutchLikeMiami", 99% of their fanbase is full of bandwagoners

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05-08-2011, 09:04 PM #17
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Kobe = Black Mamba
Nuff Said.

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05-08-2011, 10:26 PM #18
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Originally posted by Alex View Post
I never said i liked the Lakers, which i don't Eek
Your argument is full of stats and excuses. Grab a hold on reality.
Kobe has 5 rings. Lebron has 0 rings.
lmao at you saying we would bandwagon LBJ, like you? lmao
"ClutchLikeMiami", 99% of their fanbase is full of bandwagoners


99% of the Heats fan base is full of band wagoners? What fan-base are you talking about? Every person I talk to whether it be on here, another forums, or in rl likes the Celtics, Lakers, or some other team. for every 3 Lakers fans there's 1 Heat fan it seems, but lets give that 2 years.

Notice how in the last 3 years the Lakers fan base has surprisingly gone up 1000%. Yeah, its because everyone bandwagons the Lakers.

As for you calling me an LBJ band wagoner, I'm not. I don't bandwagon the team thats winning. I started following basketball 6 years ago and like many kids my age liked Kobe, Lebron, and D Wade. Started to not like Kobe because EVERYONE liked him. So that left me with D Wade, Lebron, the Cavs, and the Heat. Can't say I'm bandwaging them when i've Liked them for 6 years.

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05-08-2011, 10:37 PM #19
Alex
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Originally posted by ClutchLikeMiami View Post
99% of the Heats fan base is full of band wagoners? What fan-base are you talking about? Every person I talk to whether it be on here, another forums, or in rl likes the Celtics, Lakers, or some other team. for every 3 Lakers fans there's 1 Heat fan it seems, but lets give that 2 years.

Notice how in the last 3 years the Lakers fan base has surprisingly gone up 1000%. Yeah, its because everyone bandwagons the Lakers.

As for you calling me an LBJ band wagoner, I'm not. I don't bandwagon the team thats winning. I started following basketball 6 years ago and like many kids my age liked Kobe, Lebron, and D Wade. Started to not like Kobe because EVERYONE liked him. So that left me with D Wade, Lebron, the Cavs, and the Heat. Can't say I'm bandwaging them when i've Liked them for 6 years.

Added 11. and 12. to OP

now, everyone's bandwagoning the Heat cause LBJ/Bosh went there, the Lakers were a popular team before Kobe/Shaq, it's LA! Eek
the whole bandwagon talk is pointless. Point being, Lebron can't be compared to Kobe! lmao...

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