Post: Euthanasia
08-18-2011, 10:19 AM #1
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); I'm surprised that no one haven't posted this yet. Currently (active) euthanasia is only legal in Netherlands, Switzerland, Belgium and Luxembourg.

So do you think it should be legal everywhere?
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08-19-2011, 12:16 AM #11
E0000B6FAF25838
Nikolai Reznov
Everyone has the right to live, and everyone also has the right to waive any of their own rights. Therefore everyone has the right to die. I do believe that medically assisted suicide should be legal, but the person who is dying must first provide videographic evidence of expressly agreeing to be killed, or must be in such a bad state that they'd never wake up to express their opinions on the matter. However there should be an exception to this rule, and that's in the face of torture/danger.

Back in WWII, there was a nurse who had been tending to children (I'm not sure what the exact context was, but I think it was a children's hospital that was currently being used to treat Jewish children), and heard that Nazis were on their way to the facilities. Knowing what Nazis did to Jews and other groups, this one nurse killed all the children (painless deaths with morphine) that she could before the Nazis invaded, and if I recall she proceeded to kill herself, although I could be wrong about that. I personally view her actions as the morally correct choice in that situation.
08-19-2011, 01:00 AM #12
Booshykins
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Originally posted by xRAZBAZx View Post
This is a very debatable topic, please be more specific (does this oly encompass animals?)
I believe it should have terms, but we can't exactly read the thoughts of an animal


I, too, find it difficult to agree or disagree with animal euthanasia. I also find it difficult to agree or disagree with controlling population by disabling their reproductive systems. Things would be so much easier if animals spoke a language we could understand.

However, considering humans can easily understand each other, I agree that everyone has the right to die whenever they see fit. I don't, though, agree with the concept that we have "authority" (a false sense of, for that matter) over every other species on this planet that we basically can't even communicate thoroughly with.

The animals that live under this roof aren't my "pets", they're my friends. I don't own them, I don't control them.

Hopefully they feel the same type of affection, and if not, at least they have someone willing to care for and feed them. Not that they couldn't take care of themselves, but they got a ticket. :p

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08-19-2011, 01:27 AM #13
juddylovespizza
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Yes it should be legal, but seeing how religion still plays part in our society it will not be for a long time.
08-19-2011, 02:10 AM #14
Yes, however personally I think a lot of terms need to be reached before you're allowed to go and legally top yourself. Why? Because when people are depressed, they do stupid things(long story short). And when not in the right frame of mind, people do things they tend to regret. I think what stops a lot of people from killing themselves is that they just can't easily do it, whereas if euthanasia was 100% legal w/ no regulations people would just consider that the easy option. A lot of people would end up committing suicide when in reality they'd regret doing so, IMO.

Because let's face it, we all end up depressed at one time or another in our lives.
08-19-2011, 02:17 AM #15
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Nikolai Reznov
Originally posted by Collin
I, too, find it difficult to agree or disagree with animal euthanasia. I also find it difficult to agree or disagree with controlling population by disabling their reproductive systems. Things would be so much easier if animals spoke a language we could understand.

However, considering humans can easily understand each other, I agree that everyone has the right to die whenever they see fit. I don't, though, agree with the concept that we have "authority" (a false sense of, for that matter) over every other species on this planet that we basically can't even communicate thoroughly with.

The animals that live under this roof aren't my "pets", they're my friends. I don't own them, I don't control them.

Hopefully they feel the same type of affection, and if not, at least they have someone willing to care for and feed them. Not that they couldn't take care of themselves, but they got a ticket. :p


The idea of "pets" has always made me kind of sad. I'm not one of those "free all animals!!!" guys, but I believe that unless you're willing to allow the animals completely into your life and treat them as your children (to a certain degree, not like those psychos that dress up their cats... that's just creepy), you shouldn't get a pet. In particular, we have 2 dogs and my parents keep them fenced (with a baby gate) in the kitchen because they don't want hair getting on everything. Now, it's not like no one ever goes in the kitchen, that's where the family computer is and typically there is someone in there, but when you think about it, what does a dog have to live for? In the wild it lives to procreate. As a pet? Typically dogs are fixed, then what's their purpose? Typically their purpose becomes serving their "master," or rather, their alpha. They grow attached, they wish to serve and please the master, while seeking praise and acceptance from it. Being gated off from the alpha for no good reason would instill a feeling of captivity. To me, I see the life of a pet as a sad one, a dog with undying devotion to it's master, only to be told to sit in the other room. People take animals for granted, and forget that these animals have thoughts and feelings of their own, however primitive they may or may not be.
08-19-2011, 02:33 AM #16
Booshykins
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Originally posted by E0000B6FAF25838 View Post
The idea of "pets" has always made me kind of sad. I'm not one of those "free all animals!!!" guys, but I believe that unless you're willing to allow the animals completely into your life and treat them as your children (to a certain degree, not like those psychos that dress up their cats... that's just creepy), you shouldn't get a pet. In particular, we have 2 dogs and my parents keep them fenced (with a baby gate) in the kitchen because they don't want hair getting on everything. Now, it's not like no one ever goes in the kitchen, that's where the family computer is and typically there is someone in there, but when you think about it, what does a dog have to live for? In the wild it lives to procreate. As a pet? Typically dogs are fixed, then what's their purpose? Typically their purpose becomes serving their "master," or rather, their alpha. They grow attached, they wish to serve and please the master, while seeking praise and acceptance from it. Being gated off from the alpha for no good reason would instill a feeling of captivity. To me, I see the life of a pet as a sad one, a dog with undying devotion to it's master, only to be told to sit in the other room. People take animals for granted, and forget that these animals have thoughts and feelings of their own, however primitive they may or may not be.


Honestly, I see our way of thinking that the world was made for us as primitive.

Even the animals take only what they need, and seldom what they want. It's about survival, not self-indulgence.

When a child is first born, I can only logically make the assumption that it has no knowledge of anything else but what it has seen, so it knows nothing of the trees, the birds, the wolves, only itself and the things in the room where the child is born that are around it.

The difference between a human child and an animal's young, however, is that the animal learns what it actually needs, and how to acquire those things while maintaining a natural balance that can sustain all life, because all life ultimately benefits all life. That may seem muddled together, but it's the only way I can explain what I mean.

The human child, though, learns how to get what it wants, and not necessarily what it needs. We've chosen to break ourselves away from the natural way of things, and it's quite honestly going to be our downfall.
08-19-2011, 03:01 AM #17
Originally posted by Collin
I, too, find it difficult to agree or disagree with animal euthanasia. I also find it difficult to agree or disagree with controlling population by disabling their reproductive systems. Things would be so much easier if animals spoke a language we could understand.

However, considering humans can easily understand each other, I agree that everyone has the right to die whenever they see fit. I don't, though, agree with the concept that we have "authority" (a false sense of, for that matter) over every other species on this planet that we basically can't even communicate thoroughly with.

The animals that live under this roof aren't my "pets", they're my friends. I don't own them, I don't control them.

Hopefully they feel the same type of affection, and if not, at least they have someone willing to care for and feed them. Not that they couldn't take care of themselves, but they got a ticket. :p

I agree, I feel that euthanasia should be legal within reasoning as we live in a free society and have the right to decide what's best for ourselves. Honestly, I think it could propose an alternative to suicide if the right measures were taken and it was decided that it was best to die that way. I think this matter only comes down to personal opinion in the end, it's too philisophical to state otherwise

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08-19-2011, 03:07 AM #18
Booshykins
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Originally posted by xRAZBAZx View Post
I agree, I feel that euthanasia should be legal within reasoning as we live in a free society and have the right to decide what's best for ourselves. Honestly, I think it could propose an alternative to suicide if the right measures were taken and it was decided that it was best to die that way. I think this matter only comes down to personal opinion in the end, it's too philisophical to state otherwise


I thoroughly agree. The concept of rights for a certain group can't be falsified, only that group's ability to do whatever they want can.

Basically, the only logical answer as of now is what you have the might to do, you have the "right" to do, but even then moral boundaries close that off.

I'm not saying rape, murder, or stealing aren't bad, but there's nothing at all to prove it's not right. The way I see it is if it's pointless, why do it?

I don't think about morality, I think about what's actually going to benefit me and the ones I care about. Often even people outside of that spectrum. I gain nothing by murdering or raping someone, so there really is no point to do it, and therefore I have no motivation to do so.

Technically, this could go the way that if someone has the might to not want be murdered or have harm done to them, they have the right to not be murdered or have any harm done to them, so I suppose that sort of covers that. :p
08-19-2011, 05:04 AM #19
Originally posted by E0000B6FAF25838 View Post
The idea of "pets" has always made me kind of sad. I'm not one of those "free all animals!!!" guys, but I believe that unless you're willing to allow the animals completely into your life and treat them as your children (to a certain degree, not like those psychos that dress up their cats... that's just creepy), you shouldn't get a pet. In particular, we have 2 dogs and my parents keep them fenced (with a baby gate) in the kitchen because they don't want hair getting on everything. Now, it's not like no one ever goes in the kitchen, that's where the family computer is and typically there is someone in there, but when you think about it, what does a dog have to live for? In the wild it lives to procreate. As a pet? Typically dogs are fixed, then what's their purpose? Typically their purpose becomes serving their "master," or rather, their alpha. They grow attached, they wish to serve and please the master, while seeking praise and acceptance from it. Being gated off from the alpha for no good reason would instill a feeling of captivity. To me, I see the life of a pet as a sad one, a dog with undying devotion to it's master, only to be told to sit in the other room. People take animals for granted, and forget that these animals have thoughts and feelings of their own, however primitive they may or may not be.


Honestly, I utterly hate pet 'owners' like that.

I have a cat; we let him all around the flat, he's allowed to go out when it's not dark. He gets expensive treats. He gets affection. He gets love and attention. He's always straight to the vet whenever there's a potential problem. And it's so easy. It's a win/win for pet and 'owner'. So why are some pet 'owners' so f*cking selfish that they can't give their pets these simple things? It doesn't cost much in money nor time IMO. And some pet 'owners' even mistreat their pets... WHY!?!? If you can't look after the poor animal, put them in a home or a sanctuary. F*CK.

^^ Yeah, I feel strongly about animals :p

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