Post: Gay Marriage
09-21-2011, 12:19 PM #1
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I do, what have they done to us to make them not be able to marry?



There are literally hundreds of reasons to support gay marriage. Or, if you consider each and every homosexual out there who is legally denied his or her basic rights, millions. But it seems to me that the following five are irrefutable.

1. The kids come out just fine.

We all have different perspectives on the best way to raise our children. But it seems outrageous to me that anybody with the right body parts --murderers, drug addicts, even convicted child molesters-- can get married and have children, while same sex couples who have done nothing wrong cannot. If, as those who support a gay marriage ban claim, children are such an important part of the equation, why are they focusing their efforts on people who make just as effective parents as anybody else? Why not focus on the people who really do harm to their children?

"On measures of psychosocial well-being, school functioning, and romantic relationships and behaviors, teens with same-sex parents are as well adjusted as their peers with opposite-sex parents. A more important predictor of teens' psychological and social adjustment is the quality of the relationships they have with their parents." You must login or register to view this content..

Good parenting is about love, stability, and responsibly. Not gender.

2. Same sex relationships are just as natural as hetero relationships.

One of the arguments against same sex marriage that infuriates the gay community is the implication that these sorts of relationships are unnatural. They're not. Homosexuality has been a part of mankind since we walked the planet. And not just us-- some members of most animal species show a homosexual preference, as well. A same-sex relationship is perfectly natural, perfectly normal, and just as worthy of acknowledgement as a hetero relationship.

Take a look at most of the gay and lesbian themed internet dating websites out there, for instance. Do you see a list of unstable sexual degenerates? No. Mostly, you see people just like any heterosexual, looking for just what any heterosexual is looking for: a lifetime partner.

3. Marriage has never been static, anyway.

Those in favor of banning gay marriage tend to use a lot of words like "tradition" and "sanctity." But the definition of marriage has been in constant flux since its inception. At its beginnings, marriage was often about the exchange of property or even about creating peace between two countries. In many places and in many times, marriage was between several people, or wasn't even recognized by law, or was purchased only with large amounts of money. And as early as the 1960's and 70's, the right to marry was denied to interracial couples and the mentally handicapped. Is that what "tradition" looks like to you? How can people argue that allowing gays to marry is against the tradition of marriage, when there is no tradition of marriage. It's an institution which is constantly in flux.

4. Denying gays rights is discrimination.

In the United States, some polls have shown that while 75% of people support the idea of gay rights in general, more than 50% --including some of those who consider themselves gay-rights supporters--are against gay marriage. Instead, those people support the idea of "separate but equal" rights. And while granting those rights is a step in the right direction, not allowing gay couples the full rights of straight couples automatically classifies them as second-class citizens.

Think back to your high school history classes. Does "separate but equal" sound familiar? That's because it comes straight from the Jim Crow laws in the US in the first part of the 20th century, which required blacks to be physically segregated from whites. How fair does that sound today? Separate but equal is not equal. It's separate, it's discrimination, and it's a violation of a gay couple's rights.

5. No church should determine legal policy.

Now, I think this is the most important argument of them all. Almost everybody who is truly against gay marriage is against it for religious reasons. But unless you live in the Vatican, religion and law are --and should be-- two separate things. The rights of marriage are something given by the state, not the church.

It's true that parts of the Christian bible and other religious texts speak out against homosexuality. But what has that to do with the legal institution of marriage? The Bible, the Koran, the Torah, and all other religious tomes have their place in the world. But that place is not where a country's laws are made.

We all have our own opinions about what's right and what's not. But "live and let live" isn't such a bad motto to have. The truth is, there's no real reason to get worked up about the idea gay marriage. It's been legal in places like Spain for years with absolutely no detriment to society or to the institution of marriage. What it has done is grant perfectly deserving people the same rights as everybody else-- regardless of what gender of person they prefer to have sex with.
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09-23-2011, 06:15 AM #74
Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post
Care to explain why you didn't respond to me when I showed you scripture showing otherwise, or scripture against you?


Because I don't believe in that, I'm Muslim.
09-23-2011, 06:16 AM #75
Just4Hax
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Originally posted by deathpwnag3 View Post
Because I don't believe in that, I'm Muslim.

That would have been good to know. Once again though, being gay isn't the ultimate sin /facepalm
09-23-2011, 06:25 AM #76
Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post
That would have been good to know. Once again though, being gay isn't the ultimate sin /facepalm


Its in the top 5
09-23-2011, 06:26 AM #77
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Originally posted by deathpwnag3 View Post
Its a test. Why do you think we are here. To get tested if we obey him & follow him.

A test? lmfao
Don't make me laugh...
F ucks me,i'm in tears..:Sad AwesomeSad AwesomeSad AwesomeSad AwesomeD
A test...:Sad AwesomeSad AwesomeD

If hypothetically speaking,this is a test...
How do you know or who tells you if you've passed or failed the test?
09-23-2011, 06:31 AM #78
Originally posted by RAGEVSFURY View Post
A test? lmfao
Don't make me laugh...

If hypothetically speaking,this is a test...
How do you know or who tells you if you've passed or failed the test?

God, making yourself look stupid
09-23-2011, 06:40 AM #79
RAGEVSFURY
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You must login or register to view this content. Originally Posted by RAGEVSFURY You must login or register to view this content.
A test? lmfao
Don't make me laugh...

If hypothetically speaking,this is a test...
How do you know or who tells you if you've passed or failed the test?



Originally posted by deathpwnag3 View Post
God, making yourself look stupid

God?
:Sad AwesomeSad AwesomeSad AwesomeSad AwesomeSad AwesomeD
If your so called god talks to you,i'd like to see proof,otherwise it's all imaginary shit.

Wait,you believe in an imaginary being that does not exist and you have the nerve to call people stupid? Happy
This is irony and stupidity at its best.




09-23-2011, 07:43 AM #80
Originally posted by deathpwnag3 View Post
God, making yourself look stupid


Firstly, as you can see from the God vs Fact thread, the idea of a God is just silly, to be quite frank. Secondly, why do a test? I honestly don't know, but is your (Muslim) God all-knowing like the Christian one supposedly is? If so, then no test is necessary. God should already know whether you'll 'pass' or not, even before he/she/it has created you. What a paradigm of utter rubbish Eek

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09-23-2011, 11:56 AM #81
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Originally posted by rs View Post
How can you comment on his grammar when yours is appalling, as for your opinion. Stop being a stupid troll, if you come to the debates section and say something as ignorant and offensive as that, expect to get quoted as people dont agree, and yes you are entitled to your opinion, but we are entitled to challenge your opinion. Your lack of response to almost everyone here's actual questions shows how childish and troll'ish' you are.



Nice one mate, you've just used being gay as an insult. Granted you had the best intentions but that really annoys me, there is far too much hypocrisy in the world for my liking. Oh well =/.

As for the marriage, definitely. There are far worse things in the world, and all the haters are religious extremists who are the most intolerant of all, and in fact most of them dont even know enough about their own religion to know its ACTUAL views on homosexuality.


Stop being a stupid troll k :dumb:
09-23-2011, 03:50 PM #82
ResistTheSun
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Yes..........
I can understand how some people are uncomfortable with it after we spend years being taboo about sex.

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