Post: Gay Marriage
09-21-2011, 12:19 PM #1
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I do, what have they done to us to make them not be able to marry?



There are literally hundreds of reasons to support gay marriage. Or, if you consider each and every homosexual out there who is legally denied his or her basic rights, millions. But it seems to me that the following five are irrefutable.

1. The kids come out just fine.

We all have different perspectives on the best way to raise our children. But it seems outrageous to me that anybody with the right body parts --murderers, drug addicts, even convicted child molesters-- can get married and have children, while same sex couples who have done nothing wrong cannot. If, as those who support a gay marriage ban claim, children are such an important part of the equation, why are they focusing their efforts on people who make just as effective parents as anybody else? Why not focus on the people who really do harm to their children?

"On measures of psychosocial well-being, school functioning, and romantic relationships and behaviors, teens with same-sex parents are as well adjusted as their peers with opposite-sex parents. A more important predictor of teens' psychological and social adjustment is the quality of the relationships they have with their parents." You must login or register to view this content..

Good parenting is about love, stability, and responsibly. Not gender.

2. Same sex relationships are just as natural as hetero relationships.

One of the arguments against same sex marriage that infuriates the gay community is the implication that these sorts of relationships are unnatural. They're not. Homosexuality has been a part of mankind since we walked the planet. And not just us-- some members of most animal species show a homosexual preference, as well. A same-sex relationship is perfectly natural, perfectly normal, and just as worthy of acknowledgement as a hetero relationship.

Take a look at most of the gay and lesbian themed internet dating websites out there, for instance. Do you see a list of unstable sexual degenerates? No. Mostly, you see people just like any heterosexual, looking for just what any heterosexual is looking for: a lifetime partner.

3. Marriage has never been static, anyway.

Those in favor of banning gay marriage tend to use a lot of words like "tradition" and "sanctity." But the definition of marriage has been in constant flux since its inception. At its beginnings, marriage was often about the exchange of property or even about creating peace between two countries. In many places and in many times, marriage was between several people, or wasn't even recognized by law, or was purchased only with large amounts of money. And as early as the 1960's and 70's, the right to marry was denied to interracial couples and the mentally handicapped. Is that what "tradition" looks like to you? How can people argue that allowing gays to marry is against the tradition of marriage, when there is no tradition of marriage. It's an institution which is constantly in flux.

4. Denying gays rights is discrimination.

In the United States, some polls have shown that while 75% of people support the idea of gay rights in general, more than 50% --including some of those who consider themselves gay-rights supporters--are against gay marriage. Instead, those people support the idea of "separate but equal" rights. And while granting those rights is a step in the right direction, not allowing gay couples the full rights of straight couples automatically classifies them as second-class citizens.

Think back to your high school history classes. Does "separate but equal" sound familiar? That's because it comes straight from the Jim Crow laws in the US in the first part of the 20th century, which required blacks to be physically segregated from whites. How fair does that sound today? Separate but equal is not equal. It's separate, it's discrimination, and it's a violation of a gay couple's rights.

5. No church should determine legal policy.

Now, I think this is the most important argument of them all. Almost everybody who is truly against gay marriage is against it for religious reasons. But unless you live in the Vatican, religion and law are --and should be-- two separate things. The rights of marriage are something given by the state, not the church.

It's true that parts of the Christian bible and other religious texts speak out against homosexuality. But what has that to do with the legal institution of marriage? The Bible, the Koran, the Torah, and all other religious tomes have their place in the world. But that place is not where a country's laws are made.

We all have our own opinions about what's right and what's not. But "live and let live" isn't such a bad motto to have. The truth is, there's no real reason to get worked up about the idea gay marriage. It's been legal in places like Spain for years with absolutely no detriment to society or to the institution of marriage. What it has done is grant perfectly deserving people the same rights as everybody else-- regardless of what gender of person they prefer to have sex with.
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10-28-2011, 01:34 PM #245
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Originally posted by TornadoCreator View Post
It's not a matter of treating them better than straight people. No-one expects you to treat gay people better than straight people, all they're asking for is EQUAL rights.

Hell, I agree with the following statement, "Homosexuality is an abnormal sexuality caused by a minor mental deformity, in turn caused by genetic mutation", this is something a lot of gay people and gay supporters have a problem with because it makes it sound as though I'm calling homosexuality a mental illness, but in a way it is. It's a genetic predisposition to find people you cannot procreate with sexually attractive. From an evolutionary stance, this is a bad thing as you're unlikely to have children. The thing is, I don't care is someone is likely to procreate and as such sexuality of any kind is not important to me. I will accept that homosexuality is not "normal" (although it is natural), and it's certainly not evolutionarily desirable, but it's not wrong in any way.

What you have to justify to me is why you would deny gay people the right to marry. Why should gay people not be allowed to marry when straight people can. It would be stupid if black people couldn't marry wouldn't it? Now, I'm sure someone would say, "well they can't have kids" to which I answer, "Who gives a shit?" Unless someone institutes a law that says all married couples must have kids this won't matter. We still allow people who are unable to have kids to get married. So, go on... I'd love to hear a reason why you can get married, but my friend Bob can't.



Originally posted by luckiecookie View Post
I have no problem with gay marriage. It should be legal.

However, please don't promote Gay.


Which part of my post say I deny gay marriage?
I always respect it but stop making a fuss about homosexual. Homosexual are not better or worst than any other form of love.
10-28-2011, 02:10 PM #246
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Originally posted by luckiecookie View Post
Which part of my post say I deny gay marriage?
I always respect it but stop making a fuss about homosexual. Homosexual are not better or worst than any other form of love.

If you really feel this way why are you shitting yourself in fear at the concept of someone "promoting" homosexuality. Why don't you act the same way concerning heterosexuality. Every major TV show and the vast majority of films have heterosexual relationships, kissing, sex scenes and acts of romance. Magazines are targeted towards heterosexuals by having nude women on men's magazines and vice versa. You have it in your head that "homosexual" (by the way, the word when used in such verbiage is "homosexuality") is being promoted when our culture does the exact opposite. Sure, you have gay people on TV now and they have gay magazines etc. but by comparison the media hides gay people. TV shows aren't even allowed to show a gay couple kiss before 7pm in this country without putting a warning on the bloody show, but they can show anyone else kissing.

The fact is, you act as though there's some kind of conspiracy to indoctrinate people with "the gay" yet claim you're OK with gay people. You're clearly not, even if you think you are. The reason we "make a fuss" about homosexuality is because gay people are being oppressed. For fĂșck sake, the level of inequality for gays is so high that because I have a male partner back in 2004 (yes that's 7 years ago), I am never allowed to give blood... after all we all know every person who's ever had a gay relationship is instantly effected with AIDS, or as some people seem to think of it "the gay".

If you really have nothing against gay people, why are you so adamant that we shouldn't promote "Gay"? You claim you're OK with gay marriage and you have gay friends but are you? Really? Or are you one of those people who's OK with gay people, so long as they don't do it around you. You know, like the guy who's not racist and is fine with black people, and is OK with them having all the same rights as him, but so long as they don't get to live in his street and he'd be really disappointed if his daughter brought home a black guy, and he probably tells the odd racist joke (entirely unironically). He still supports black rights though so he's not a racist right? NO!

Your posts make it clear that you're afraid of "the gay", you can't stand the idea of people "promoting" homosexuality because that means that more gays may pop up, or your friends and family might "turn gay" and then you'd have to be in the same room as them uurrrgghhh... If you're not homophobic why do you complain about people "promoting homosexuality"?

PS: I apologise, I realise you never actually said you didn't support gay marriage, I assumed so based on the tone of your post. I didn't mean to misrepresent your position however this post has already take this into account and my point is still very much valid.

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