Post: Four Indiana National Guard Members Killed In Afghanistan
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01-08-2012, 03:30 AM
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Nate
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Originally posted by another user
INDIANAPOLIS (AP) - Four soldiers with an Indiana-based National Guard unit were killed in Afghanistan and a fifth was injured when their vehicle struck a roadside bomb as they were working to clear a supply route of the improvised bombs, guard officials said Saturday.Indiana Adjutant General Martin Umbarger said the four members of the Valparaiso-based 713th Engineer Company died Thursday morning in southern Afghanistan. He said all of the men were combat engineers who specialized in clearing major supply routes.
The blast occurred as their vehicle traveled along a road, scouting for signs of roadside bombs and other potential problems convoys might encounter as the move supplies in the decade-long war in Afghanistan, Umbarger said.
"Their mission is to keep the major supply routes clear of all obstacles for the convoys. And what that means is they're the first ones to go out to make sure the route can be used, so it's a very important mission - but it's also extremely dangerous," he told The Associated Press.
The four men killed were identified as: Staff Sgt. Jonathan M. Metzger, 32, of Indianapolis, Spc. Brian J. Leonhardt, 21, of Merrillville, Ind., Spc. Robert J. Tauteris Jr., 44, of Hamlet, Ind., and Spc. Christopher A. Patterson, 20, of Aurora, Ill.
A fifth soldier injured in the blast, Pvt. Douglas Rachowicz, 29, of Hammond, Ind., was initially treated at a military base hospital in Kandahar before being airlifted to the U.S. military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany, Umbarger said.
Tauteris' uncle, Ed Tauteris of North Judson, Ind., said the family has been devastated by the death.
He said his nephew, who grew up in rural northwestern Indiana's Starke County and graduated from North Judson High School, was a loving, attentive father to his two sons, Robert Tauteris III and Matthew.
"He was great father who loved his kids, took very good care of them. He was a great provider. He'd work seven days a week, come home and take his kids fishing, hunting, to baseball, stuff like that," he said.
Ed Tauteris, 69, said his nephew reenlisted in the National Guard after his 21-year-old son, Robert III joined up and was sent to Afghanistan. He said his nephew had hoped he might be able to keep his son safe during his deployment.
He said Robert Tauteris III, who was still in Afghanistan when his father was killed, accompanied his father's body back to the U.S.
"He flew home with his dad. That poor kid. I feel so bad for him," he said.
Umbarger said the four soldiers' deaths were the greatest number of Indiana guards since March 2005, when four members of the Indianapolis-based 76th Infantry Brigade died when a land mine exploded under their military vehicle about 30 miles south of the Afghan capital of Kabul.
Gov. Mitch Daniels said in a statement that Umbarger called him Saturday morning to tell him of the deaths. The governor said he's praying for the soldiers' families.
" I received from the adjutant general the news a person in my job dreads the most, that we have lost soldiers in combat. I had begun to hope that I had received the last such phone call, and cannot convey the sadness which it instantly brought," Daniels said.
"My prayers are joined with those of millions of Hoosiers who will hear this terrible news with deep grief but also with gratitude for the courage of those we have lost, and pride that we come from a state that produces men such as these," he said.
Umbarger said the four soldiers' families were informed Friday of the deaths, and the last family members were told the news Friday night. He said he's "humbled and honored" by the courage of the nation's service members and said the sacrifices of the four men won't be forgotten.
-MSNBC
The blast occurred as their vehicle traveled along a road, scouting for signs of roadside bombs and other potential problems convoys might encounter as the move supplies in the decade-long war in Afghanistan, Umbarger said.
"Their mission is to keep the major supply routes clear of all obstacles for the convoys. And what that means is they're the first ones to go out to make sure the route can be used, so it's a very important mission - but it's also extremely dangerous," he told The Associated Press.
The four men killed were identified as: Staff Sgt. Jonathan M. Metzger, 32, of Indianapolis, Spc. Brian J. Leonhardt, 21, of Merrillville, Ind., Spc. Robert J. Tauteris Jr., 44, of Hamlet, Ind., and Spc. Christopher A. Patterson, 20, of Aurora, Ill.
A fifth soldier injured in the blast, Pvt. Douglas Rachowicz, 29, of Hammond, Ind., was initially treated at a military base hospital in Kandahar before being airlifted to the U.S. military hospital in Landstuhl, Germany, Umbarger said.
Tauteris' uncle, Ed Tauteris of North Judson, Ind., said the family has been devastated by the death.
He said his nephew, who grew up in rural northwestern Indiana's Starke County and graduated from North Judson High School, was a loving, attentive father to his two sons, Robert Tauteris III and Matthew.
"He was great father who loved his kids, took very good care of them. He was a great provider. He'd work seven days a week, come home and take his kids fishing, hunting, to baseball, stuff like that," he said.
Ed Tauteris, 69, said his nephew reenlisted in the National Guard after his 21-year-old son, Robert III joined up and was sent to Afghanistan. He said his nephew had hoped he might be able to keep his son safe during his deployment.
He said Robert Tauteris III, who was still in Afghanistan when his father was killed, accompanied his father's body back to the U.S.
"He flew home with his dad. That poor kid. I feel so bad for him," he said.
Umbarger said the four soldiers' deaths were the greatest number of Indiana guards since March 2005, when four members of the Indianapolis-based 76th Infantry Brigade died when a land mine exploded under their military vehicle about 30 miles south of the Afghan capital of Kabul.
Gov. Mitch Daniels said in a statement that Umbarger called him Saturday morning to tell him of the deaths. The governor said he's praying for the soldiers' families.
" I received from the adjutant general the news a person in my job dreads the most, that we have lost soldiers in combat. I had begun to hope that I had received the last such phone call, and cannot convey the sadness which it instantly brought," Daniels said.
"My prayers are joined with those of millions of Hoosiers who will hear this terrible news with deep grief but also with gratitude for the courage of those we have lost, and pride that we come from a state that produces men such as these," he said.
Umbarger said the four soldiers' families were informed Friday of the deaths, and the last family members were told the news Friday night. He said he's "humbled and honored" by the courage of the nation's service members and said the sacrifices of the four men won't be forgotten.
-MSNBC
I knew The Leonhardt family well. Going to school with his brother and it sucks to hear the news. Brian was a hero to those who knew him, a friendly guy, came from a great christian family and will be missed. Pray for the family.
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01-08-2012, 09:56 AM
#2
Ben
Former Staff
Originally posted by Sexy
F***ing muslims. We need to withdraw from this bumf*** of the word. AMERICA HAS NO BUSINESS TRYING TO INSTITUE DEMOCRACY AND HELPING PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN SPEAK OUR OWN DAMN LANGUAGE.
Vote Ron Paul, he will withdraw the troops and end every dollar of aid.
Vote Ron Paul, he will withdraw the troops and end every dollar of aid.
Why are you being so racist? America shouldn't have gone in the first place, because America is WAAY over confident. And your arguement about them not speaking "your language" is completely invalid because the Arabs are probably saying the same about you, and you should support trade with them because they have more money per capita then any other country in world in my opinion. Ron Paul and the Republicans are completely stupid. Obama has been trying to get troops out but you can't just drop the guns and leave, it's a very slow process.
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01-08-2012, 02:32 PM
#3
xinfectedsoulx
Daddy's home.
Originally posted by Sexy
F***ing muslims. We need to withdraw from this bumf*** of the word. AMERICA HAS NO BUSINESS TRYING TO INSTITUE DEMOCRACY AND HELPING PEOPLE WHO DON'T EVEN SPEAK OUR OWN DAMN LANGUAGE.
Vote Ron Paul, he will withdraw the troops and end every dollar of aid.
Vote Ron Paul, he will withdraw the troops and end every dollar of aid.
I understand what you mean about leaving, but how do you think the soldiers and the families of soldiers who have died would feel? They would have died for an unsuccessful mission. Watching many documentaries, a lot of the soldiers from the British army don't want to just leave with a failed mission because there are many deaths and injuries that would have been caused for no reason. What's point in all the deaths if you don't finish the job?
I agree with the fact that America or Britain have no right in trying to bring our way of living to other countries. If they want to change, they'll change. We can't keep using force to make them change. America did go in over confident thinking it wouldn't take long and all NATO went in the wrong way about it. Dropping bombs left right and centre is going to make more people join the Taliban. That wasn't helping, destroying houses and towns. Now though you can see a change with how they have to deal with them. Positively ID'ing them with weapons before shooting. That way they avoid as much as possible innocent lives being taken. If they did that from the start, maybe the war would almost be at an end.
Just stopping all Aid isn't a good move. America is one of the richest countries in the world. It's not Africas fault they are poor. They need help. Sure, our countries should look after their own people first, but spending money left and and centre isn't the way to go about it. Millions of money will be put into things that aren't needed, but giving some money to aid is needed.
01-08-2012, 07:13 PM
#4
Solo
Rookie
Originally posted by xinfectedsoulx
I understand what you mean about leaving, but how do you think the soldiers and the families of soldiers who have died would feel? They would have died for an unsuccessful mission. Watching many documentaries, a lot of the soldiers from the British army don't want to just leave with a failed mission because there are many deaths and injuries that would have been caused for no reason. What's point in all the deaths if you don't finish the job?
I agree with the fact that America or Britain have no right in trying to bring our way of living to other countries. If they want to change, they'll change. We can't keep using force to make them change. America did go in over confident thinking it wouldn't take long and all NATO went in the wrong way about it. Dropping bombs left right and centre is going to make more people join the Taliban. That wasn't helping, destroying houses and towns. Now though you can see a change with how they have to deal with them. Positively ID'ing them with weapons before shooting. That way they avoid as much as possible innocent lives being taken. If they did that from the start, maybe the war would almost be at an end.
Just stopping all Aid isn't a good move. America is one of the richest countries in the world. It's not Africas fault they are poor. They need help. Sure, our countries should look after their own people first, but spending money left and and centre isn't the way to go about it. Millions of money will be put into things that aren't needed, but giving some money to aid is needed.
I agree with the fact that America or Britain have no right in trying to bring our way of living to other countries. If they want to change, they'll change. We can't keep using force to make them change. America did go in over confident thinking it wouldn't take long and all NATO went in the wrong way about it. Dropping bombs left right and centre is going to make more people join the Taliban. That wasn't helping, destroying houses and towns. Now though you can see a change with how they have to deal with them. Positively ID'ing them with weapons before shooting. That way they avoid as much as possible innocent lives being taken. If they did that from the start, maybe the war would almost be at an end.
Just stopping all Aid isn't a good move. America is one of the richest countries in the world. It's not Africas fault they are poor. They need help. Sure, our countries should look after their own people first, but spending money left and and centre isn't the way to go about it. Millions of money will be put into things that aren't needed, but giving some money to aid is needed.
We should declare Victory and pull out. No hard feelings then, mission accomplished. Just like we did with Iraq. The goal here is to establish an Afghan Army so they can defend their own lands. I feel that if we establish a date for withdraw, say 01/01/2013, then the Afghan Army would really step it up. We've been trying to train them for a couple years now. But, the case for them is "Let's just let the Americans go find the bombs." Well, the Americans are leaving and you better be ready by 01/01/2013.
Those countries have lived the way they do for thousands of years. Who are we to "westernize" them? They for sure don't want it, they just want protection from the Taliban. Which is why their army needs to step up. All innocent lives should be spared in times of war. It's not right to attempt to protect somebody, but take your protectee's lives and homes as collateral damage. If you invade lands, it's best to have the people on your side. Like you said, blowing up their town just makes them spite you. They have more motive to fight back.
By all aid, I meant all aid to hostile nations. We give so much money to countries who would slit our throats if they had the chance. America's money keeps the UN, the IMF, and the World Bank running. They would have barely any authority or influence, or even ability if they were cut out of the budget. It's a nominal number, really, $5 billion to "charity" is nothing when you spend $700 billion of defense. I think we need to pick and choose who gets the money. Why are we giving money to Pakistan? They hate us! That's like going to a fight and giving your foe your knife. I do agree that countries like Jordan, Kenya, etc. do in fact need aid.
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Originally posted by ClutchLikeBenny
Why are you being so racist? America shouldn't have gone in the first place, because America is WAAY over confident. And your arguement about them not speaking "your language" is completely invalid because the Arabs are probably saying the same about you, and you should support trade with them because they have more money per capita then any other country in world in my opinion. Ron Paul and the Republicans are completely stupid. Obama has been trying to get troops out but you can't just drop the guns and leave, it's a very slow process.
Sorry for being pissed of that good people are dying in some shithole in the middle east! They lost their lives protecting me, all Americans. They are trying to save the people of Afghanistan! I have every right to hate the people killing fellow Americans and attempting to kill their own people.
America has every reason to be there. Terrorists sent Anthrax to Senators and federal buildings in Washington D.C. (I work in D.C.) Terrorists killed regular people on planes and in the Pentagon (Also in D.C.) and World Trade Centers. They also plotted to hit the White House (Again, in D.C.) but it was foiled by the valiant passengers. ATTACKS ON AMERICANS AND ON AMERICAN SOIL WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED!
Trade with them? I think you're delusional. Afghanistan has a GDP of $11 billion and a per capita of $900 DOLLARS. I make $900 in a couple days. They take a year! I support trade with nations like Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E., but they are allies, not terrorists. No shit I support trade.
What about them speaking our language? Afghanistan has a 28% literacy rate OF THEIR OWN LANGUAGE!
Obama is a socialist. He's raising the debt ceiling by a trillion dollars whenever he can to continue to socialize every aspect of America. SMALL GOVERNMENT! SMALL GOVERNMENT! If Ron Paul wins the nation will be fixed.
01-08-2012, 07:20 PM
#5
sunce99
League Champion
Originally posted by ClutchLikeBenny
Why are you being so racist? America shouldn't have gone in the first place, because America is WAAY over confident. And your arguement about them not speaking "your language" is completely invalid because the Arabs are probably saying the same about you, and you should support trade with them because they have more money per capita then any other country in world in my opinion. Ron Paul and the Republicans are completely stupid. Obama has been trying to get troops out but you can't just drop the guns and leave, it's a very slow process.
Well said bro i agree with you
01-08-2012, 07:50 PM
#6
Ben
Former Staff
Originally posted by Sexy
We should declare Victory and pull out. No hard feelings then, mission accomplished. Just like we did with Iraq. The goal here is to establish an Afghan Army so they can defend their own lands. I feel that if we establish a date for withdraw, say 01/01/2013, then the Afghan Army would really step it up. We've been trying to train them for a couple years now. But, the case for them is "Let's just let the Americans go find the bombs." Well, the Americans are leaving and you better be ready by 01/01/2013.
Those countries have lived the way they do for thousands of years. Who are we to "westernize" them? They for sure don't want it, they just want protection from the Taliban. Which is why their army needs to step up. All innocent lives should be spared in times of war. It's not right to attempt to protect somebody, but take your protectee's lives and homes as collateral damage. If you invade lands, it's best to have the people on your side. Like you said, blowing up their town just makes them spite you. They have more motive to fight back.
By all aid, I meant all aid to hostile nations. We give so much money to countries who would slit our throats if they had the chance. America's money keeps the UN, the IMF, and the World Bank running. They would have barely any authority or influence, or even ability if they were cut out of the budget. It's a nominal number, really, $5 billion to "charity" is nothing when you spend $700 billion of defense. I think we need to pick and choose who gets the money. Why are we giving money to Pakistan? They hate us! That's like going to a fight and giving your foe your knife. I do agree that countries like Jordan, Kenya, etc. do in fact need aid.
---------- Post added at 02:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:56 PM ----------
Sorry for being pissed of that good people are dying in some shithole in the middle east! They lost their lives protecting me, all Americans. They are trying to save the people of Afghanistan! I have every right to hate the people killing fellow Americans and attempting to kill their own people.
America has every reason to be there. Terrorists sent Anthrax to Senators and federal buildings in Washington D.C. (I work in D.C.) Terrorists killed regular people on planes and in the Pentagon (Also in D.C.) and World Trade Centers. They also plotted to hit the White House (Again, in D.C.) but it was foiled by the valiant passengers. ATTACKS ON AMERICANS AND ON AMERICAN SOIL WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED!
Trade with them? I think you're delusional. Afghanistan has a GDP of $11 billion and a per capita of $900 DOLLARS. I make $900 in a couple days. They take a year! I support trade with nations like Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E., but they are allies, not terrorists. No shit I support trade.
What about them speaking our language? Afghanistan has a 28% literacy rate OF THEIR OWN LANGUAGE!
Obama is a socialist. He's raising the debt ceiling by a trillion dollars whenever he can to continue to socialize every aspect of America. SMALL GOVERNMENT! SMALL GOVERNMENT! If Ron Paul wins the nation will be fixed.
Those countries have lived the way they do for thousands of years. Who are we to "westernize" them? They for sure don't want it, they just want protection from the Taliban. Which is why their army needs to step up. All innocent lives should be spared in times of war. It's not right to attempt to protect somebody, but take your protectee's lives and homes as collateral damage. If you invade lands, it's best to have the people on your side. Like you said, blowing up their town just makes them spite you. They have more motive to fight back.
By all aid, I meant all aid to hostile nations. We give so much money to countries who would slit our throats if they had the chance. America's money keeps the UN, the IMF, and the World Bank running. They would have barely any authority or influence, or even ability if they were cut out of the budget. It's a nominal number, really, $5 billion to "charity" is nothing when you spend $700 billion of defense. I think we need to pick and choose who gets the money. Why are we giving money to Pakistan? They hate us! That's like going to a fight and giving your foe your knife. I do agree that countries like Jordan, Kenya, etc. do in fact need aid.
---------- Post added at 02:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:56 PM ----------
Sorry for being pissed of that good people are dying in some shithole in the middle east! They lost their lives protecting me, all Americans. They are trying to save the people of Afghanistan! I have every right to hate the people killing fellow Americans and attempting to kill their own people.
America has every reason to be there. Terrorists sent Anthrax to Senators and federal buildings in Washington D.C. (I work in D.C.) Terrorists killed regular people on planes and in the Pentagon (Also in D.C.) and World Trade Centers. They also plotted to hit the White House (Again, in D.C.) but it was foiled by the valiant passengers. ATTACKS ON AMERICANS AND ON AMERICAN SOIL WILL NOT GO UNPUNISHED!
Trade with them? I think you're delusional. Afghanistan has a GDP of $11 billion and a per capita of $900 DOLLARS. I make $900 in a couple days. They take a year! I support trade with nations like Saudi Arabia and the U.A.E., but they are allies, not terrorists. No shit I support trade.
What about them speaking our language? Afghanistan has a 28% literacy rate OF THEIR OWN LANGUAGE!
Obama is a socialist. He's raising the debt ceiling by a trillion dollars whenever he can to continue to socialize every aspect of America. SMALL GOVERNMENT! SMALL GOVERNMENT! If Ron Paul wins the nation will be fixed.
I can understand you being pissed at people dying protecting their country, but they chose to be in the army no one was forced to go to the Middle East, at least, they weren't forced by the government. And I don't expect trade with Afganistan, hell no
I think trade with the wealthy middle eastern states would be a good idea.I can see where you are coming from, because America wanted revenge and to show them that can strike back, but now, it's enough, leave them do what they want. I'm not American but I when I go to the US I can feel the over confidence. America thinks they are responsible for the world, THEY ARE NOT! America doesn't have the biggest population nor the most land! As far as I see it, America just needs to mind it's own business.
As I said before, I'm not American, but I don't think just by putting Ron Paul as President everything is going to be fixed. He can't just flip a switch and everything goes away as some people see it. In fact, he is going to take a while until he gets up to speed. As I said before IT'S A VERY SLOW PROCESS.
01-08-2012, 07:54 PM
#7
Solo
Rookie
Originally posted by ClutchLikeBenny
I can understand you being pissed at people dying protecting their country, but they chose to be in the army no one was forced to go to the Middle East, at least, they weren't forced by the government. And I don't expect trade with Afganistan, hell no I think trade with the wealthy middle eastern states would be a good idea.
I can see where you are coming from, because America wanted revenge and to show them that can strike back, but now, it's enough, leave them do what they want. I'm not American but I when I go to the US I can feel the over confidence. America thinks they are responsible for the world, THEY ARE NOT! America doesn't have the biggest population nor the most land! As far as I see it, America just needs to mind it's own business.
As I said before, I'm not American, but I don't think just by putting Ron Paul as President everything is going to be fixed. He can't just flip a switch and everything goes away as some people see it. In fact, he is going to take a while until he gets up to speed. As I said before IT'S A VERY SLOW PROCESS.
I think trade with the wealthy middle eastern states would be a good idea.I can see where you are coming from, because America wanted revenge and to show them that can strike back, but now, it's enough, leave them do what they want. I'm not American but I when I go to the US I can feel the over confidence. America thinks they are responsible for the world, THEY ARE NOT! America doesn't have the biggest population nor the most land! As far as I see it, America just needs to mind it's own business.
As I said before, I'm not American, but I don't think just by putting Ron Paul as President everything is going to be fixed. He can't just flip a switch and everything goes away as some people see it. In fact, he is going to take a while until he gets up to speed. As I said before IT'S A VERY SLOW PROCESS.
Other Arab countries- happy and oil-filled. I like those people. I like Arabs, just not the ones who strap bombs on themselves.
I don't think we should be responsible for the world either. But America is the richest country and is obliged to help out the poor and oppressed.
It's not that slow of a process. A president gets 4 years. Obama made all these (terrible) changes within his. Ron Paul can definitely make the government smaller in a year or two.
01-09-2012, 03:29 PM
#8
xinfectedsoulx
Daddy's home.
Originally posted by Sexy
We should declare Victory and pull out. No hard feelings then, mission accomplished. Just like we did with Iraq. The goal here is to establish an Afghan Army so they can defend their own lands. I feel that if we establish a date for withdraw, say 01/01/2013, then the Afghan Army would really step it up. We've been trying to train them for a couple years now. But, the case for them is "Let's just let the Americans go find the bombs." Well, the Americans are leaving and you better be ready by 01/01/2013.
Those countries have lived the way they do for thousands of years. Who are we to "westernize" them? They for sure don't want it, they just want protection from the Taliban. Which is why their army needs to step up. All innocent lives should be spared in times of war. It's not right to attempt to protect somebody, but take your protectee's lives and homes as collateral damage. If you invade lands, it's best to have the people on your side. Like you said, blowing up their town just makes them spite you. They have more motive to fight back.
By all aid, I meant all aid to hostile nations. We give so much money to countries who would slit our throats if they had the chance. America's money keeps the UN, the IMF, and the World Bank running. They would have barely any authority or influence, or even ability if they were cut out of the budget. It's a nominal number, really, $5 billion to "charity" is nothing when you spend $700 billion of defense. I think we need to pick and choose who gets the money. Why are we giving money to Pakistan? They hate us! That's like going to a fight and giving your foe your knife. I do agree that countries like Jordan, Kenya, etc. do in fact need aid.
Those countries have lived the way they do for thousands of years. Who are we to "westernize" them? They for sure don't want it, they just want protection from the Taliban. Which is why their army needs to step up. All innocent lives should be spared in times of war. It's not right to attempt to protect somebody, but take your protectee's lives and homes as collateral damage. If you invade lands, it's best to have the people on your side. Like you said, blowing up their town just makes them spite you. They have more motive to fight back.
By all aid, I meant all aid to hostile nations. We give so much money to countries who would slit our throats if they had the chance. America's money keeps the UN, the IMF, and the World Bank running. They would have barely any authority or influence, or even ability if they were cut out of the budget. It's a nominal number, really, $5 billion to "charity" is nothing when you spend $700 billion of defense. I think we need to pick and choose who gets the money. Why are we giving money to Pakistan? They hate us! That's like going to a fight and giving your foe your knife. I do agree that countries like Jordan, Kenya, etc. do in fact need aid.
I agree with you there. Britain has set a time for 2015, but many soldiers, even with that date, don't want to go and leave the job half finished. I don't know how the Americans are handling things but I know the British are letting the Afghans Draw and execute their own missions, the only thing the British can do is intervene if they think it's getting too bad, as in being surrounded with the possibility of being over run. The Afghans call all the shots, when they are going, when they finish the mission etc. You should download a show called "Ross Kemp: Back on the Frontline." That's his most recent show and it shows you the progress being made. Being able to walk outside with flat caps instead of helmets, walking next to people with wheel barrows (which a few years ago wouldn't have happened due to them containing bombs). Some areas are changing for the good, but the ANA are slack with their times and not always thorough.
Britain gives too much aid. They gave an army body armour and other equipment when our government can't even cater for it's own army. I understand stopping aid to countries that don't deserve it, I mis-understood you 'stop all aid'. Aren't USA trying to make friends with Pakistan for the reason it's a main supply route to Pakistan? And so they can search for the Taliban in their country easier seeing as though the Pakistani army don't seem to bother? That's what I thought.
01-09-2012, 09:25 PM
#9
ChillChiefly96
< ^ > < ^ >
Originally posted by ClutchLikeBenny
Why are you being so racist? America shouldn't have gone in the first place, because America is WAAY over confident. And your arguement about them not speaking "your language" is completely invalid because the Arabs are probably saying the same about you, and you should support trade with them because they have more money per capita then any other country in world in my opinion. Ron Paul and the Republicans are completely stupid. Obama has been trying to get troops out but you can't just drop the guns and leave, it's a very slow process.
America, Fuk yeah
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