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01-10-2012, 06:44 AM
#1
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
So please post your thoughts in a more articulate manner if you can please.
Here is the bill
A Bill to Establish a National Curriculum
BE IT ENACTED BY THE CONGRESS HERE ASSEMBLED THAT:
1. SECTION 1. Using the Common Core Standards, a National Curriculum Commission
2. shall be established to set goals, write syllabi, and select textbooks.
3. SECTION 2. All school districts will use uniform textbooks approved by the
4. Department of Education, with recommendations made by the National
5. Curriculum Commission. All textbooks will be replaced at least every ten years, sooner if the 6. national curriculum has been changed.
7. SECTION 3. All school districts must teach all objectives outlined in a syllabus
8. produced annually by the National Curriculum Commission.
9. SECTION 4. Any school districts without sufficient funds will receive financial aid
10. from the Department of Education.
11. SECTION 5. Annual tests will be given to all students at the end of each
12. school year in which the academic achievement of students and the
13. effectiveness of the teachers will be measured in core classes:
14. mathematics, English, history/government, and science
15. SECTION 6. Any school district that does not meet the above requisites will lose a
16. percentage of its funding as determined by the Department of Education.
17. SECTION 7. This legislation will be enforced by the Department of Education.
18. SECTION 8. This legislation will not affect private schools.
19. SECTION 9. This bill will become effective at the beginning of the 2013-2014 school
20. year.
01-10-2012, 03:42 PM
#2
TornadoCreator
A Storm Approaches.
Originally posted by Just4Hax
In short, I have joined student congress (speech and debate partition) at my school and just went to a tournament. I have decided to post the bills we had debates/discussions on to see your side of it, and after a few posts I will post my thoughts on it. When looking at the bill keep in mind that the specifics matter indefinitely, as if it were real legislature.
So please post your thoughts in a more articulate manner if you can please.
So please post your thoughts in a more articulate manner if you can please.
Interesting. I'd very much like to take part.
As a British person I can say quite definately that a National Curriculum is a good idea. It gives a solid and uniform base of knowledge which means all students are able to study at college level with a a standardised level of understanding. Universities will know what level of tutoring all people have recieved and it will make for efficient transfere of students, HOWEVER there are flaws.
A Bill to Establish a National Curriculum
BE IT ENACTED BY THE CONGRESS HERE ASSEMBLED THAT:
1. SECTION 1. Using the Common Core Standards, a National Curriculum Commission
2. shall be established to set goals, write syllabi, and select textbooks.
3. SECTION 2. All school districts will use uniform textbooks approved by the
4. Department of Education, with recommendations made by the National
5. Curriculum Commission. All textbooks will be replaced at least every ten years, sooner if the 6. national curriculum has been changed.
7. SECTION 3. All school districts must teach all objectives outlined in a syllabus
8. produced annually by the National Curriculum Commission.
9. SECTION 4. Any school districts without sufficient funds will receive financial aid
10. from the Department of Education.
So far I have no problem with this bill however I would question who in the Dpt. Of Education gets to decide on the curriculum, what their qualifications are and how this will be decided. Education is not a comittee thing, and while I wouldn't mind so much about them changing the history curriculum to remove ancient Greek history and instead include the French revolution because honestly, both would give a good grounding in history if taught correctly, I would be hesitant to want this passed in USA with such large religious influence on the education system. If it becomes clear that the curriculum would include things like creationism, or even just refuse to teach evolution I would oppose it as evolution is a vital part of biology. I would also oppose it if the curriculum refused to teach proper sex education, taught a biased class on politics, taught religious education as stated fact, or only taught one religions doctrines in religion classes (UK has religious education, and I'm fine with that because it's made clear that we're discussing what people believe not facts). Basically, I would only want to support this if I was assured that the people making the curriculum are competent and in USA, that could be a stretch.
11. SECTION 5. Annual tests will be given to all students at the end of each
12. school year in which the academic achievement of students and the
13. effectiveness of the teachers will be measured in core classes:
14. mathematics, English, history/government, and science
NO! NO! NO!
This has been done before in UK and it DOESN'T WORK! All that happens is teachers focus on making sure the students can pass those tests rather than actually giving them a grounding knowledge in the subject. UK used to have tests every 3 years, and I believe has gone back to this system. This is fine. We do not need standardised testing, we need people learning. If teachers are being assessed every year, they're no longer worried about giving their students a foundational knowledge but making sure they can answer the questions in the tests. What we end up with are a load of kids who can parrot-style reel off the exact information they need for these tests but they don't really understand it. They may be able to right down a definition of photosynthesis for example, but they can't explain the process. They don't know why the reaction takes place, what role chlorophyll has, etc. they just know what they need to know and it makes they effectively mindless robots with practically speaking, no useful education. On top of that, by focusing on Maths, English, Science and History/Government (which should not be a combined subject, they are NOT the same), they are making other subjects suffer. The school will want to get good assessments, so why bother teaching the kids Art, Music, Geography, Drama, Foreign Languages, even Sports... they're not assessed on them. So now we have a bunch of mono-linguistic, fat and lazy kids with no appreciation for the aesthetics of this world. It's exactly this kind of thinking that means people sit and veg in front of reality TV because they lack the cultural connections and analytical skills to appreciate anything of artistic value. This section makes me now want to oppose this.
15. SECTION 6. Any school district that does not meet the above requisites will lose a
16. percentage of its funding as determined by the Department of Education.
WOW! What idiot wrote this? So any school district that fails to perform well enough on the annual tests will lose money and will therefore have less cash to spend on textbooks, computers, equipment etc. and will be forced to hire less staff or underqualified staff because of budgets. So basically, any school that under-performs will be purposely cut off by the Dpt. Of Education so it can't ever improve... well done, no wonder it's under-performing, you keep cutting ther damn funding.
17. SECTION 7. This legislation will be enforced by the Department of Education.
18. SECTION 8. This legislation will not affect private schools.
19. SECTION 9. This bill will become effective at the beginning of the 2013-2014 school
20. year.
Private schools don't have to keep to the curriculum... thereby making the entire thing pointless because private schools have more sway over the universities anyway and therefore any efficiency that could be given to universities by ensuring everyone has the same base knowledge is immediately destroyed because the private schools won't have that. The next point, is that by having the curriculum not effect private schools, if a secular, constitutional curriculum is developed, single faith schools will pop up all over the place teaching kids religiously tainted bullshit because they get a free pass. This will only serve to segregate the country especially as high faith neighbourhoods may find that they end up with so many faith schools that kids who would normally get a balanced education end up with religious indoctrination instead. Either it should be mandated across the board or it shouldn't be in effect. In UK we have single faith schools, particularly catholic schools, but they are forced to stick to the national curriculum, even if their holy book disagrees with it. This is because the purpose of school isn't to make someone a good catholic, it's to educate the children so they can choose careers, find work, grow as people and ultimately face adult life properly.
This bill is extremely badly worded and would likely be damaging to the education system. It would be extremely exclusionary. It would create rifts between the faith schools and public schools, it would create a rift between the rich schools with good grades and poor schools with bad grades, creating a class warfare even amongst kids, and lastly it would create a knowledge base in students based on what's required to pass standardised tests not what's needed for a grounded understanding of the world around them... effectively creating a stupid America with no reasoning skills or ability to understand, only the ability to parrot style learn.
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01-11-2012, 06:40 AM
#3
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by TornadoCreator
Interesting. I'd very much like to take part.
As a British person I can say quite definately that a National Curriculum is a good idea. It gives a solid and uniform base of knowledge which means all students are able to study at college level with a a standardised level of understanding. Universities will know what level of tutoring all people have recieved and it will make for efficient transfere of students, HOWEVER there are flaws.
A Bill to Establish a National Curriculum
BE IT ENACTED BY THE CONGRESS HERE ASSEMBLED THAT:
1. SECTION 1. Using the Common Core Standards, a National Curriculum Commission
2. shall be established to set goals, write syllabi, and select textbooks.
3. SECTION 2. All school districts will use uniform textbooks approved by the
4. Department of Education, with recommendations made by the National
5. Curriculum Commission. All textbooks will be replaced at least every ten years, sooner if the 6. national curriculum has been changed.
7. SECTION 3. All school districts must teach all objectives outlined in a syllabus
8. produced annually by the National Curriculum Commission.
9. SECTION 4. Any school districts without sufficient funds will receive financial aid
10. from the Department of Education.
So far I have no problem with this bill however I would question who in the Dpt. Of Education gets to decide on the curriculum, what their qualifications are and how this will be decided. Education is not a comittee thing, and while I wouldn't mind so much about them changing the history curriculum to remove ancient Greek history and instead include the French revolution because honestly, both would give a good grounding in history if taught correctly, I would be hesitant to want this passed in USA with such large religious influence on the education system. If it becomes clear that the curriculum would include things like creationism, or even just refuse to teach evolution I would oppose it as evolution is a vital part of biology. I would also oppose it if the curriculum refused to teach proper sex education, taught a biased class on politics, taught religious education as stated fact, or only taught one religions doctrines in religion classes (UK has religious education, and I'm fine with that because it's made clear that we're discussing what people believe not facts). Basically, I would only want to support this if I was assured that the people making the curriculum are competent and in USA, that could be a stretch.
11. SECTION 5. Annual tests will be given to all students at the end of each
12. school year in which the academic achievement of students and the
13. effectiveness of the teachers will be measured in core classes:
14. mathematics, English, history/government, and science
NO! NO! NO!
This has been done before in UK and it DOESN'T WORK! All that happens is teachers focus on making sure the students can pass those tests rather than actually giving them a grounding knowledge in the subject. UK used to have tests every 3 years, and I believe has gone back to this system. This is fine. We do not need standardised testing, we need people learning. If teachers are being assessed every year, they're no longer worried about giving their students a foundational knowledge but making sure they can answer the questions in the tests. What we end up with are a load of kids who can parrot-style reel off the exact information they need for these tests but they don't really understand it. They may be able to right down a definition of photosynthesis for example, but they can't explain the process. They don't know why the reaction takes place, what role chlorophyll has, etc. they just know what they need to know and it makes they effectively mindless robots with practically speaking, no useful education. On top of that, by focusing on Maths, English, Science and History/Government (which should not be a combined subject, they are NOT the same), they are making other subjects suffer. The school will want to get good assessments, so why bother teaching the kids Art, Music, Geography, Drama, Foreign Languages, even Sports... they're not assessed on them. So now we have a bunch of mono-linguistic, fat and lazy kids with no appreciation for the aesthetics of this world. It's exactly this kind of thinking that means people sit and veg in front of reality TV because they lack the cultural connections and analytical skills to appreciate anything of artistic value. This section makes me now want to oppose this.
15. SECTION 6. Any school district that does not meet the above requisites will lose a
16. percentage of its funding as determined by the Department of Education.
WOW! What idiot wrote this? So any school district that fails to perform well enough on the annual tests will lose money and will therefore have less cash to spend on textbooks, computers, equipment etc. and will be forced to hire less staff or underqualified staff because of budgets. So basically, any school that under-performs will be purposely cut off by the Dpt. Of Education so it can't ever improve... well done, no wonder it's under-performing, you keep cutting ther damn funding.
17. SECTION 7. This legislation will be enforced by the Department of Education.
18. SECTION 8. This legislation will not affect private schools.
19. SECTION 9. This bill will become effective at the beginning of the 2013-2014 school
20. year.
Private schools don't have to keep to the curriculum... thereby making the entire thing pointless because private schools have more sway over the universities anyway and therefore any efficiency that could be given to universities by ensuring everyone has the same base knowledge is immediately destroyed because the private schools won't have that. The next point, is that by having the curriculum not effect private schools, if a secular, constitutional curriculum is developed, single faith schools will pop up all over the place teaching kids religiously tainted bullshit because they get a free pass. This will only serve to segregate the country especially as high faith neighbourhoods may find that they end up with so many faith schools that kids who would normally get a balanced education end up with religious indoctrination instead. Either it should be mandated across the board or it shouldn't be in effect. In UK we have single faith schools, particularly catholic schools, but they are forced to stick to the national curriculum, even if their holy book disagrees with it. This is because the purpose of school isn't to make someone a good catholic, it's to educate the children so they can choose careers, find work, grow as people and ultimately face adult life properly.
This bill is extremely badly worded and would likely be damaging to the education system. It would be extremely exclusionary. It would create rifts between the faith schools and public schools, it would create a rift between the rich schools with good grades and poor schools with bad grades, creating a class warfare even amongst kids, and lastly it would create a knowledge base in students based on what's required to pass standardised tests not what's needed for a grounded understanding of the world around them... effectively creating a stupid America with no reasoning skills or ability to understand, only the ability to parrot style learn.
As a British person I can say quite definately that a National Curriculum is a good idea. It gives a solid and uniform base of knowledge which means all students are able to study at college level with a a standardised level of understanding. Universities will know what level of tutoring all people have recieved and it will make for efficient transfere of students, HOWEVER there are flaws.
A Bill to Establish a National Curriculum
BE IT ENACTED BY THE CONGRESS HERE ASSEMBLED THAT:
1. SECTION 1. Using the Common Core Standards, a National Curriculum Commission
2. shall be established to set goals, write syllabi, and select textbooks.
3. SECTION 2. All school districts will use uniform textbooks approved by the
4. Department of Education, with recommendations made by the National
5. Curriculum Commission. All textbooks will be replaced at least every ten years, sooner if the 6. national curriculum has been changed.
7. SECTION 3. All school districts must teach all objectives outlined in a syllabus
8. produced annually by the National Curriculum Commission.
9. SECTION 4. Any school districts without sufficient funds will receive financial aid
10. from the Department of Education.
So far I have no problem with this bill however I would question who in the Dpt. Of Education gets to decide on the curriculum, what their qualifications are and how this will be decided. Education is not a comittee thing, and while I wouldn't mind so much about them changing the history curriculum to remove ancient Greek history and instead include the French revolution because honestly, both would give a good grounding in history if taught correctly, I would be hesitant to want this passed in USA with such large religious influence on the education system. If it becomes clear that the curriculum would include things like creationism, or even just refuse to teach evolution I would oppose it as evolution is a vital part of biology. I would also oppose it if the curriculum refused to teach proper sex education, taught a biased class on politics, taught religious education as stated fact, or only taught one religions doctrines in religion classes (UK has religious education, and I'm fine with that because it's made clear that we're discussing what people believe not facts). Basically, I would only want to support this if I was assured that the people making the curriculum are competent and in USA, that could be a stretch.
11. SECTION 5. Annual tests will be given to all students at the end of each
12. school year in which the academic achievement of students and the
13. effectiveness of the teachers will be measured in core classes:
14. mathematics, English, history/government, and science
NO! NO! NO!
This has been done before in UK and it DOESN'T WORK! All that happens is teachers focus on making sure the students can pass those tests rather than actually giving them a grounding knowledge in the subject. UK used to have tests every 3 years, and I believe has gone back to this system. This is fine. We do not need standardised testing, we need people learning. If teachers are being assessed every year, they're no longer worried about giving their students a foundational knowledge but making sure they can answer the questions in the tests. What we end up with are a load of kids who can parrot-style reel off the exact information they need for these tests but they don't really understand it. They may be able to right down a definition of photosynthesis for example, but they can't explain the process. They don't know why the reaction takes place, what role chlorophyll has, etc. they just know what they need to know and it makes they effectively mindless robots with practically speaking, no useful education. On top of that, by focusing on Maths, English, Science and History/Government (which should not be a combined subject, they are NOT the same), they are making other subjects suffer. The school will want to get good assessments, so why bother teaching the kids Art, Music, Geography, Drama, Foreign Languages, even Sports... they're not assessed on them. So now we have a bunch of mono-linguistic, fat and lazy kids with no appreciation for the aesthetics of this world. It's exactly this kind of thinking that means people sit and veg in front of reality TV because they lack the cultural connections and analytical skills to appreciate anything of artistic value. This section makes me now want to oppose this.
15. SECTION 6. Any school district that does not meet the above requisites will lose a
16. percentage of its funding as determined by the Department of Education.
WOW! What idiot wrote this? So any school district that fails to perform well enough on the annual tests will lose money and will therefore have less cash to spend on textbooks, computers, equipment etc. and will be forced to hire less staff or underqualified staff because of budgets. So basically, any school that under-performs will be purposely cut off by the Dpt. Of Education so it can't ever improve... well done, no wonder it's under-performing, you keep cutting ther damn funding.
17. SECTION 7. This legislation will be enforced by the Department of Education.
18. SECTION 8. This legislation will not affect private schools.
19. SECTION 9. This bill will become effective at the beginning of the 2013-2014 school
20. year.
Private schools don't have to keep to the curriculum... thereby making the entire thing pointless because private schools have more sway over the universities anyway and therefore any efficiency that could be given to universities by ensuring everyone has the same base knowledge is immediately destroyed because the private schools won't have that. The next point, is that by having the curriculum not effect private schools, if a secular, constitutional curriculum is developed, single faith schools will pop up all over the place teaching kids religiously tainted bullshit because they get a free pass. This will only serve to segregate the country especially as high faith neighbourhoods may find that they end up with so many faith schools that kids who would normally get a balanced education end up with religious indoctrination instead. Either it should be mandated across the board or it shouldn't be in effect. In UK we have single faith schools, particularly catholic schools, but they are forced to stick to the national curriculum, even if their holy book disagrees with it. This is because the purpose of school isn't to make someone a good catholic, it's to educate the children so they can choose careers, find work, grow as people and ultimately face adult life properly.
This bill is extremely badly worded and would likely be damaging to the education system. It would be extremely exclusionary. It would create rifts between the faith schools and public schools, it would create a rift between the rich schools with good grades and poor schools with bad grades, creating a class warfare even amongst kids, and lastly it would create a knowledge base in students based on what's required to pass standardised tests not what's needed for a grounded understanding of the world around them... effectively creating a stupid America with no reasoning skills or ability to understand, only the ability to parrot style learn.
Before I post my thoughts, as you have analyzed it well let me tell you my arguments were very much off of what your stating now.
Originally posted by another user
Originally posted by TornadoCreator
Interesting. I'd very much like to take part.
As a British person I can say quite definately that a National Curriculum is a good idea. It gives a solid and uniform base of knowledge which means all students are able to study at college level with a a standardised level of understanding. Universities will know what level of tutoring all people have recieved and it will make for efficient transfere of students, HOWEVER there are flaws.
As a British person I can say quite definately that a National Curriculum is a good idea. It gives a solid and uniform base of knowledge which means all students are able to study at college level with a a standardised level of understanding. Universities will know what level of tutoring all people have recieved and it will make for efficient transfere of students, HOWEVER there are flaws.
Exactly. I actually am 100% for a national curriculum, but it must be designed correctly else it would be in vain.
Originally posted by TornadoCreator
So far I have no problem with this bill however I would question who in the Dpt. Of Education gets to decide on the curriculum, what their qualifications are and how this will be decided. Education is not a comittee thing, and while I wouldn't mind so much about them changing the history curriculum to remove ancient Greek history and instead include the French revolution because honestly, both would give a good grounding in history if taught correctly, I would be hesitant to want this passed in USA with such large religious influence on the education system.
Ehhh, I'm not too sure about that. Where I live Yorba Linda, California, we learn pretty secular, which the area is incredibly wealthy and republican too. So I don't think it has too large a choke hold, maybe in some languages. Like I'm taking Spanish 3 Honors and we have participated in some catholic/christian traditions/exercises. I let it go though, as Christianity is heavily influenced Spanish/Latin American countries as they are largely catholic.
Originally posted by another user
If it becomes clear that the curriculum would include things like creationism, or even just refuse to teach evolution I would oppose it as evolution is a vital part of biology. I would also oppose it if the curriculum refused to teach proper sex education, taught a biased class on politics, taught religious education as stated fact, or only taught one religions doctrines in religion classes (UK has religious education, and I'm fine with that because it's made clear that we're discussing what people believe not facts). Basically, I would only want to support this if I was assured that the people making the curriculum are competent and in USA, that could be a stretch.
Now, seeing as you don't live in the US, let me explain. As of right now it isn't taught nationally allowing many flaws to soak in. As for the religious teachings those are due to christian organizations sticking their hand into the school board, which wouldn't be as easy or possible if we had a national curriculum.
Originally posted by another user
11. SECTION 5. Annual tests will be given to all students at the end of each
12. school year in which the academic achievement of students and the
13. effectiveness of the teachers will be measured in core classes:
14. mathematics, English, history/government, and science
NO! NO! NO!
This has been done before in UK and it DOESN'T WORK! All that happens is teachers focus on making sure the students can pass those tests rather than actually giving them a grounding knowledge in the subject. UK used to have tests every 3 years, and I believe has gone back to this system. This is fine. We do not need standardised testing, we need people learning. If teachers are being assessed every year, they're no longer worried about giving their students a foundational knowledge but making sure they can answer the questions in the tests. What we end up with are a load of kids who can parrot-style reel off the exact information they need for these tests but they don't really understand it. They may be able to right down a definition of photosynthesis for example, but they can't explain the process. They don't know why the reaction takes place, what role chlorophyll has, etc. they just know what they need to know and it makes they effectively mindless robots with practically speaking, no useful education. On top of that, by focusing on Maths, English, Science and History/Government (which should not be a combined subject, they are NOT the same), they are making other subjects suffer. The school will want to get good assessments, so why bother teaching the kids Art, Music, Geography, Drama, Foreign Languages, even Sports... they're not assessed on them. So now we have a bunch of mono-linguistic, fat and lazy kids with no appreciation for the aesthetics of this world. It's exactly this kind of thinking that means people sit and veg in front of reality TV because they lack the cultural connections and analytical skills to appreciate anything of artistic value. This section makes me now want to oppose this.
12. school year in which the academic achievement of students and the
13. effectiveness of the teachers will be measured in core classes:
14. mathematics, English, history/government, and science
NO! NO! NO!
This has been done before in UK and it DOESN'T WORK! All that happens is teachers focus on making sure the students can pass those tests rather than actually giving them a grounding knowledge in the subject. UK used to have tests every 3 years, and I believe has gone back to this system. This is fine. We do not need standardised testing, we need people learning. If teachers are being assessed every year, they're no longer worried about giving their students a foundational knowledge but making sure they can answer the questions in the tests. What we end up with are a load of kids who can parrot-style reel off the exact information they need for these tests but they don't really understand it. They may be able to right down a definition of photosynthesis for example, but they can't explain the process. They don't know why the reaction takes place, what role chlorophyll has, etc. they just know what they need to know and it makes they effectively mindless robots with practically speaking, no useful education. On top of that, by focusing on Maths, English, Science and History/Government (which should not be a combined subject, they are NOT the same), they are making other subjects suffer. The school will want to get good assessments, so why bother teaching the kids Art, Music, Geography, Drama, Foreign Languages, even Sports... they're not assessed on them. So now we have a bunch of mono-linguistic, fat and lazy kids with no appreciation for the aesthetics of this world. It's exactly this kind of thinking that means people sit and veg in front of reality TV because they lack the cultural connections and analytical skills to appreciate anything of artistic value. This section makes me now want to oppose this.
Exactly what I stated in my speech.
Originally posted by another user
15. SECTION 6. Any school district that does not meet the above requisites will lose a
16. percentage of its funding as determined by the Department of Education.
WOW! What idiot wrote this? So any school district that fails to perform well enough on the annual tests will lose money and will therefore have less cash to spend on textbooks, computers, equipment etc. and will be forced to hire less staff or underqualified staff because of budgets. So basically, any school that under-performs will be purposely cut off by the Dpt. Of Education so it can't ever improve... well done, no wonder it's under-performing, you keep cutting ther damn funding.
16. percentage of its funding as determined by the Department of Education.
WOW! What idiot wrote this? So any school district that fails to perform well enough on the annual tests will lose money and will therefore have less cash to spend on textbooks, computers, equipment etc. and will be forced to hire less staff or underqualified staff because of budgets. So basically, any school that under-performs will be purposely cut off by the Dpt. Of Education so it can't ever improve... well done, no wonder it's under-performing, you keep cutting ther damn funding.
LOL, I know. The idea is it to be persuasive to not fall behind, which is frankly idiotic.
Originally posted by another user
17. SECTION 7. This legislation will be enforced by the Department of Education.
18. SECTION 8. This legislation will not affect private schools.
19. SECTION 9. This bill will become effective at the beginning of the 2013-2014 school
20. year.
Private schools don't have to keep to the curriculum... thereby making the entire thing pointless because private schools have more sway over the universities anyway and therefore any efficiency that could be given to universities by ensuring everyone has the same base knowledge is immediately destroyed because the private schools won't have that. The next point, is that by having the curriculum not effect private schools, if a secular, constitutional curriculum is developed, single faith schools will pop up all over the place teaching kids religiously tainted bullshit because they get a free pass. This will only serve to segregate the country especially as high faith neighbourhoods may find that they end up with so many faith schools that kids who would normally get a balanced education end up with religious indoctrination instead. Either it should be mandated across the board or it shouldn't be in effect. In UK we have single faith schools, particularly catholic schools, but they are forced to stick to the national curriculum, even if their holy book disagrees with it. This is because the purpose of school isn't to make someone a good catholic, it's to educate the children so they can choose careers, find work, grow as people and ultimately face adult life properly.
18. SECTION 8. This legislation will not affect private schools.
19. SECTION 9. This bill will become effective at the beginning of the 2013-2014 school
20. year.
Private schools don't have to keep to the curriculum... thereby making the entire thing pointless because private schools have more sway over the universities anyway and therefore any efficiency that could be given to universities by ensuring everyone has the same base knowledge is immediately destroyed because the private schools won't have that. The next point, is that by having the curriculum not effect private schools, if a secular, constitutional curriculum is developed, single faith schools will pop up all over the place teaching kids religiously tainted bullshit because they get a free pass. This will only serve to segregate the country especially as high faith neighbourhoods may find that they end up with so many faith schools that kids who would normally get a balanced education end up with religious indoctrination instead. Either it should be mandated across the board or it shouldn't be in effect. In UK we have single faith schools, particularly catholic schools, but they are forced to stick to the national curriculum, even if their holy book disagrees with it. This is because the purpose of school isn't to make someone a good catholic, it's to educate the children so they can choose careers, find work, grow as people and ultimately face adult life properly.
Once again, couldn't agree more. We actually didn't go over this bill in the tournament though, as we had a much more fascinating bill and no one wanted to switch to this
Originally posted by another user
This bill is extremely badly worded and would likely be damaging to the education system. It would be extremely exclusionary. It would create rifts between the faith schools and public schools, it would create a rift between the rich schools with good grades and poor schools with bad grades, creating a class warfare even amongst kids, and lastly it would create a knowledge base in students based on what's required to pass standardised tests not what's needed for a grounded understanding of the world around them... effectively creating a stupid America with no reasoning skills or ability to understand, only the ability to parrot style learn.
Once again, what I pretty much planned on saying.
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