Post: Disgusted of being an "American"
02-08-2012, 12:20 AM #1
Chaz
Tremble Underfoot
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); I saw this video on Youtube, and I'm ****ing sick to my stomach.
Such ****ing unlawfulness and injustice compiled into 7 and a half minutes
of video. Now I know why people talk shit about America.



And for the record, I'm happy for the country I live in, but this
is just appalling and it makes me sick. Also, for those who try to talk
shit on America again, go ahead, I'll agree with you.

Discuss...
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02-08-2012, 09:10 AM #11
ppl who misuse authority like that shouldn't be given the authority in the fist place !
02-08-2012, 09:45 AM #12
NeedaLifeSoon
Retired Life
We need to make sure everyone in Syria sees this video.

What the hell are they protesting about?
They should be thankful they don't live under this kind abuse.

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02-08-2012, 12:34 PM #13
xinfectedsoulx
Daddy's home.
I think the first one is justified. Don't forget, in that situation you have a split second to react. Someone comes charging at your colleague with an axe will get shot. The others are just too far. Such as hitting that black guy about 50 times with his baton is not justifiable. Shooting that guy who was laying on the floor with his hands behind his back, not justifiable.

Having said that, some people deserve to be slapped around, don't you think? Those gobby ones who think they are clever when they KILLED someone deserves a slap around. Someone who has raped a kid deserves to be slapped around and frankly his balls cut off, don't you think.

Looking at that video looks bad, I agree, and I agree some look over the top. But then we don't know what these people did, besides some protesting. If they kill or rape I think they need a beating by the police, but if the person get's beat on the ground after flying out of his car after a crash, the officers deserve prison. Some police are on a power trip like some said, slap a badge on them they think they're it. That looks bad on all police, even the ones who would never, have never done anything like this.

I don't know about America, but the justice system over here is fuked. Prisons are like a hotel in England. 50 inch TV's, gym equipment and games consoles in their CELLS. That's right, kill someone and get a life of luxury. It's a shame the police can't slap some people around because they don't get punished in Prison. Known Terrorists get let out to walk free is a joke. A huge joke. Some people deserve to beat around by the police like I said, but some don't.
02-08-2012, 04:37 PM #14
Chaz
Tremble Underfoot
Originally posted by zVirus View Post
If your honestly sick of being "american" then thats pretty sad. You go on youtube and found this video and now you lose national pride? You could find this happening all over the world and some are much worse. Most of these are dated in 2009, thats 3 years ago. How do you know that those policemen/women did not receive punishment? And agreeing America is "shit" No, that isn't right either. Would you rather live in a third world country and starve to death?

Anyways you have your opinion and I have mine


You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. I love the country I live in. Thats a fact.
But I'm not solely disgusted of being an American only because of this video.
I'm not blind to the other shit that goes on this country that is far worse than
this. I'm simply saying that these "enforcers of the law" should do their job.
Nothing more. Maybe these people did deserve what they got. We can't tell from the video.
However, we're a country of pride and honor, and these actions do not dignify
either of those things. And let me make a correction and decrease the scope of my opinion.
America doesn't make me sick, its the police force around the US that does.
If you want more fortification for my opinion, then read this story about
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02-08-2012, 06:56 PM #15
Choco
Respect my authoritah!!
I hate when people stereotype American police. Of course some are going to be corrupt, that happens anywhere with anything. You can't expect 100% from everyone. I know tons of police officers, I myself want to be one, and I have to tell you that the vast majority of police officers really are there to protect and serve. It's the small percentage of those like the ones in the video who make a bad name for American Police. Where is the injustice really at, at the hands of those few police who misuse their power or at the hands of the public who criticize ALL police when most of them are doing exactly what they're paid to do?
02-09-2012, 12:28 PM #16
My Hate
At least I can fight
This makes me sick
02-09-2012, 03:35 PM #17
Chaz
Tremble Underfoot
Originally posted by .Choco View Post
I hate when people stereotype American police. Of course some are going to be corrupt, that happens anywhere with anything. You can't expect 100% from everyone. I know tons of police officers, I myself want to be one, and I have to tell you that the vast majority of police officers really are there to protect and serve. It's the small percentage of those like the ones in the video who make a bad name for American Police. Where is the injustice really at, at the hands of those few police who misuse their power or at the hands of the public who criticize ALL police when most of them are doing exactly what they're paid to do?


I agree completely. But its the fact that some of them are corrupt, that make a
terrible name for the rest of them that are actually good cops. I hope you can
become a cop one day and prove to not only me but so many others that good
cops do exist.

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02-09-2012, 06:48 PM #18
TornadoCreator
A Storm Approaches.
I used to be very pro police, I considered them to be a general force for good and a necessity in protecting and serving the public. Recently however I've become more cynical concerning policing. I've come to consider the police to be nothing more than gangsters, the difference is this gang is payed by the government. It's a protection racket really, and a lot of police run it as such. London is a perfect example. While people may not have liked the East End Gangsters, they kept the place free of petty crime. Small time criminals wouldn't dare set foot on their turf and when the police finally broke up the gangs the east end of London actually ended up less safe to live.

Currently the police are run by the government, and the government, particularly in USA is run by large corporations and the church. During what I see as the second enlightenment with the increasing rise of secularism and the occupy movement ushering in socialism the police have done nothing but fight the average citizen. The police are the enemy now, a rival gang that I don't much like... in short fĂșck the police.

As for America itself, I've given my opinion on USA in the debate section before, but I'll repeat it below (spoiler tags so it doesn't end up as a wall of text). If it get's too heated or involved, the debate thread is - You must login or register to view this content.

As people are likely well aware if they've read many of my posts, I am British and while I'm proud of the social ideals of my country they're far from perfect. There are many issues with the UK and one of the worst is that it's constantly emulating USA, in all the worst ways. I feel national pride is stupid, being proud of your country for no reason other than you being born there is pathetic. Have pride in your country for things it does that you actively support, for it's growth and development, not for it's mere existence.

So... with that it would be fair to say I hate the United States of America, but I don't far from it. I both love and hate USA, it's a country that brings both the best and the worst out in humanity and depending on my mood I have two ways of considering USA

The first, fuelled by my anger is the most common view people see from me, and is the one I feel the strongest. It's far from a good view and any honest American should be able to accept what I'm going to say...

USA is a self-absorbed country filled with arrogant people convinced their country is "number 1" when it's anything but. They're generally uneducated, racist, extremely homophobic and the further south and further inland you go the more stupid, racist and homophobic they get. They seem to think communism is evil, even though most of them have no idea what it is. They seem to thing atheism is evil, even though most of them have no idea what it is. All the working class vote Republican even though that party clearly stabs the poor in the back whilst propping up the rich, saying they don't want to support "leeches" when in reality the social programs they oppose would benefit them and their families the most. They're ignorant of foreign cultures and customs, obsessed with an isolating USA only mentality and they're extremely xenophobic. They prop up sports like Basketball, Baseball and NFL which no-one outside USA gives a shit about whilst ignoring international sports like Football and Rugby which they simply don't understand, yet they make out that sports is one of the most important aspect of American culture. They disrespect other peoples media, expecting us to buy Hollywood blockbusters but remaking every foreign film and TV show because they're convinced they can do them better, which they never do. To top it all off, they're ridiculously, even offensively Christian saying things like "God bless America" as if they're the only people in the world who are worth considering. They're ridiculously ignorant, they deny evolution, refuse sex education and insist on inserting God into everything, then they act like God has always been there, such as on their money, in their pledge etc. and become deeply offended at the mere concept of removing this religiosity. They treat Atheists like they're cultists and treat other religions like they're delusional yet expect us to always respect Jesus. Lastly USA is filled with liars. They have universities devoted to "creation science", psychics, alternative medicine and endless superstitions and conspiracy theories. Everyone's opinion is expected to be treated as though it's "equal" and science is given no respect, unless your opinion is "liberal" at which point your ignored and labelled anti-American. Still this doesn't stop people posing as scientists to support something, for political or financial gain, especially Republicans and their mouth-piece Fox News. In general American scientists are unreliable, their politicians are always scapegoats and their news-media is purposefully dishonest to the point of propaganda. The people are wilfully ignorant and act with a sickening sense of entitlement while having little to no compassion for anyone else, often thinking only for themselves, with a culture based entirely on greed and the profit motive.


This is an accurate description of USA, and if you disagree, you're simply wrong... I'm sorry if that's upsetting but it's true. But it doesn't have to be like this, this is nothing more than a regurgitation of my frustrations. This is how I see USA in the back of my mind, and why I feel so strongly about it.

USA is a nation of innovators and is genuinely exceptional in ways that put it up their with the great empires of old. While it stands as the far unmatched military might of the world, it's military bloated and unnecessary in my opinion, it doesn't use this military to actively oppress or conquer. While misguided occasionally, the US military is deployed as a peacekeeping force in an attempt to secure freedom and liberty for the world, and it is, in principle an inspiration to us all. There is room for improvement, but in comparison to all other nations that have risen as a superpower militarily, USA is by far the fairest and most reserved. But it doesn't stop there, USA is exceptional in business and economics. When it was founded USA was the leader of the agricultural market, exporting sugar, cotton, tobacco and corn at greater amounts than any other country. It quickly became an industrial power in the 1900's and was the centre of innovation and invention. In recent times, it has housed some of the greatest minds of the 20th and 21st centuries, and is the centre of the information age. With only 5% of the worlds population, USA produces almost a quarter of the worlds GDP. USA produces 3 times as much in exports and GDP than China, the next most productive country in the world, with less than a quarter of Chinas population. Whilst I may not like the ideals of Capitalism, in practice, they work and USA has proved this. But while wealth is great, anyone can make money. Scientifically, I must hold my hands up to USA and say that, while I find their scientists deplorable as they lack a proper method of peer review and greatly damage the good name of the scientific method, science is one of the strongest cards USA has to play. The population on average may be stupid, but some of the most intelligent and capable people are Americans. USA produces more scientific research papers and journals than any other country by far, in fact they make more than Canada, Japan and most of Europe combined. UK the second most scientifically productive country in the world, produces on average 1.5 million scientific citations per year, USA produces on average 6.1 million per year. While I question the quality of many of these that's still an impressive devotion to science that I feel truly inspired for. More than 90% of medical research is done in USA, and inventions are far too numerous to mention. USA has been responsible for the invention of refrigeration, the digital computer, the aeroplane, the communications satellite, the liquid fuelled rocket, the transistor, lasers, carbon-dating, the credit-card, carbon-fibre, kevlar, the compact-disc, the integrated circuit-board and not forgetting... the video game (yes, they where an American, not Japanese invention). The Americans also landed a space shuttle on the moon, mapped the human genome, discovered the quark, and was the first nation to perfect animal cloning. To deny the genius of USA is to wilfully lie. It is such a shame the general population of USA cannot appreciate the brilliance of their country, but it is a real inspiration and one that other countries really should move to emulate. Culturally USA is a triumph with the best films, TV shows and music of recent times being all American productions, while the vast majority of American productions are awful, the very best of modern media is usually American, but media isn't what culture is all about, it's a measure of the ideals of a country. USA is a country founded of principals that even today would be considered revolutionary. Some of the most proudly held values of the United States are values I hold as the most valuable of society. Freedom of speech, separation of church and state, innocent until proven guilty, the demand for a free press, the right to vote, the right to protest, the equality of human kind, and the constant fight for liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The constitution and the bill of rights are a testament to American idealism and what all should strive to. Do I agree with all of the ideals in those documents? No. But if I where an American I would feel a true sense of pride in such thing. As a British person I can say with absolute honesty, if I where alive in the times of George Washington, I'd have been on that boat with him. A true visionary and I hope every American at some point tries to live up to his idea of America, it's an incredible nation...


So there we have it. I think it's fair to say I respect and admire USA, while at the same time I hate and despise it. Why? Because in this world, if there's any nation that will be at the front, ready to take us to a new enlightenment, a second renaissance, it will be the United States of America, but for this to happen, the country needs to change. It's public needs to respect science and recognise the incredible feats of science it's country does while they still can, because if they don't Europe, China, India, Japan and Russia will... our national respect for science is growing, USAs is shrinking. USA needs to break away from religious dogma. In the early 1800's USA was one of the least religious countries, a haven for atheists and freethinkers, a true secular society and this is why it was so great. To see it become 'Jesusland' is depressing. With a little effort, some social reform, some liberal thinking and some more focus on the more important things USA could be great again. If USA could focus more on education, institute universal healthcare, cut military by a huge amount and a institute a more progressive tax system, it could become the envy of the world.

There's a reason I focus so much on USA. It's the most influential country of our time, everything that happens in USA effects my country and my life, but more than that. USA is a country with such potential, it could become a beacon for everything I hold dear and everything I respect, but at the moment it strangles my values and is reverting to ideals that I consider painfully barbaric. USA brings a tear to my eyes, it was so close to being my perfect country but every day it moves further away and becomes a corrupted and warped version of everything I hold dear.

I've heard people tell me "You have no right to an opinion. You're not an American, you have no idea what it's like here", and they couldn't be more wrong. They don't know what it's like outside of USA, they're self absorbed ignorant arrogant Americans and I HATE them. They are a symbol of all I hate in USA, and why? Because I likely know more about their nation than they do, and I appreciate it so much more. I hate Americans not because I hate America, I hate Americans because they're not good enough for America, and they're destroying my American dream.

Thank you for reading my post, I hope it's given you something to think about.
02-09-2012, 07:03 PM #19
Ameht!
Dark Knight
That's why I smoke a Blunt and salute everytime a Cop is gunned down. 80% of cops are crocked and over use their power

---------- Post added at 02:03 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:03 PM ----------

Originally posted by Ownage
Same thing, thanks for correcting me though Happy



Not the same thing , only If your racist Happy

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