Post: Rising powers in the east
04-09-2012, 09:05 PM #1
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(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); China, India, South Africa and various other eastern nations/south american are projected to have a massive growth over the next few years. China is estimated to overtake the US economy in 2020, with India following by 2040. Countries like UK, France and Germany are expected to fall from the Top 10 in the next 50 years.

Now, onto the question/discussion. How do you think this will change the world? How will the USA react to being overtaken by its competitors (Russia is also emerging as a world power once again along with China, India, Brazil etc..)?

I think this could be the provocation for war, probably within the next 50 years. I think we all new America wasn't going to last forever (no country/empire ever has) due to its debt and the fact Eastern countries seem to have much better control over their economy. America has been acting much differently to what it was 10-20 years ago. It is acting like it was during the Cold war with Russia (aggressive/trying to increase it's sphere of influence). A few examples of this off the top of my head are:

1) Deploying of troops in Japan and Australia, both with are close to China.
2) Stopping food aid being sent to North Korea, and condemning its satellite launch (perhaps a justification for war?).
3) Increased pressure on many Middle east and African countries such as Iran, Syria, Libya and Egypt, all of the revolutions have been funded by the US, and where they have succeeded, pro US governments have been put in place.
4) Anti Missile array being set up next to Russia's borders (no reason for this to be set up, unless the USA think Russia is still an enemy, which is most likely the case).
5) Increased political pressure being put on Russia and China.
6) Military spending sky rocketing.
7) Involvement in foreign wars increasing (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya).

Anyway that's just my opinion. What do you guys think of this? Is power rising in the east a good power balancer? Will the USA take extreme measures to prevent being overtaken? How will the world change when Eastern countries come into power?

Sorry if I mixed anything up, its late where I am Smile
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04-10-2012, 08:08 PM #11
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Originally posted by xinfectedsoulx View Post
No, they don't and no it hasn't.



Having power and having influence is different. America don't control most of the west, that would imply that the other countries had no leader and it was the President that controlled the countries. USA only controls the USA, and no more. They have a lot of influence, but not full control, like an empire would. The definition doesn't change for it to mean something else. War is still war, no matter how it's fought. The definitions don't change, Britain had control of it's Empire until the handed Hong Kong back over in 1997. That was the last thing to do with it's Empire. The meaning hasn't changed. The Queen still hold Australia, Canada and many more, all the ones in the commonwealth, which is something like 14/16 countries all under rule by the Queen of England. So if anything, Britain has more of an Empire than America does, because if Britain goes to war, so do the countries in the commonwealth, if any still have an army. Below, the countries under rule by the Queen.

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America can't say to someone in the West "You have to go to war", anyone can decline and say no, but if it was an empire, they'd have to say yes.

Empire means Empire, War means War, nothing has changed.


Britain controls nothing, Australia and Canada have their own governments. During the Falklands war did Canada/Australia go to war? No.

Also quoting stuff out of a dictionary is just stupid, and don't take what I say so literally. By control I mean, yes, have alot of influence. If the USA goes to war for example, its almost certain alot of countries in the West will follow (e.g Nato).
04-11-2012, 11:15 AM #12
xinfectedsoulx
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Originally posted by USSR View Post
Britain controls nothing, Australia and Canada have their own governments. During the Falklands war did Canada/Australia go to war? No.

Also quoting stuff out of a dictionary is just stupid, and don't take what I say so literally. By control I mean, yes, have alot of influence. If the USA goes to war for example, its almost certain alot of countries in the West will follow (e.g Nato).


Britain doesn't have full control, but they are ran by the Queen. The Queen is their head of state, like she is for Britain. They have prime ministers and not Presidents. I'm not sure how they are run, but in Britain the Queen has the final say in any new law that wants to get passed, I'd guess she does for the other countries in the Commonwealth, meaning she still has 'control', very, very little. I'm not sure if they did help in the Falklands, maybe they did other things behind the scenes. They're fighting in Afghanistan right now, though.

Plus, if Britain started a War other countries would follow as well because of NATO. It works the same ways, but it only seems like America want to start wars. And like I said, control and influence are different. I'm glad that got cleared up. And how is quoting stuff out of the dictionary stupid? You said the meaning changed, when they haven't, and I gave evidence to prove it. Evidence is the key thing in any discussion.
04-11-2012, 11:28 AM #13
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Originally posted by xinfectedsoulx View Post
Britain doesn't have full control, but they are ran by the Queen. The Queen is their head of state, like she is for Britain. They have prime ministers and not Presidents. I'm not sure how they are run, but in Britain the Queen has the final say in any new law that wants to get passed, I'd guess she does for the other countries in the Commonwealth, meaning she still has 'control', very, very little. I'm not sure if they did help in the Falklands, maybe they did other things behind the scenes. They're fighting in Afghanistan right now, though.

Plus, if Britain started a War other countries would follow as well because of NATO. It works the same ways, but it only seems like America want to start wars. And like I said, control and influence are different. I'm glad that got cleared up. And how is quoting stuff out of the dictionary stupid? You said the meaning changed, when they haven't, and I gave evidence to prove it. Evidence is the key thing in any discussion.


The queen is purely a figurehead in Australia and Canada. They can pass their own laws as they please, sure the Queen might say 'Okay' because she thinks she actually means something, but even if she didn't say anything laws would still go through.

Also when I said it was stupid to quote out of a dictionary I meant that the definition is CHANGING, not yet changed.

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