Post: Where do you see the U.S in The Next 4 1/4 Years?
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10-15-2012, 08:06 PM
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Det0x
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Now say Romney gets voted in. Where do you see him taking us?
Do you think either one of the people will make the U.S better in anyway?
Or are you just neutral? and don't really care?
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This is any itchy thread. Keep it all Civil, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
10-18-2012, 02:37 AM
#38
Rath
Today Will Be Different
Originally posted by Millz59
Doesn't matter. Democrats will continue blaming Bush and that he got us into this mess.
Obama has added more debt than Bush has in half the time.
It doesn't matter, it's Bush's fault.
More Americans are unemployed now than when Obama took office.
Doesn't matter, it's Bush's fault.
The rate of poverty has increased since Obama took office.
Doesn't matter, it's all Bush's fault.
The people dependent on welfare/food stamps has increased since Obama took office.
Doesn't matter, it's all Bush's fault.
Cooperate tax rates are up to 35%.
Doesn't matter, it's all Bush's fault.
41 or so months with over 8% unemployment.
Doesn't matter, it was all Bush's fault.
No one can be pleased. People on the left have an infinite line of excuses for what has happened in the past 4 years. If you wish, watch this video. It will explain it in a comedic way that you will most likely be able to understand if you're not to keen on politics.
4 Years ago, everyone was was sick with Obama fever. People were promised hope and change. I see absolutely nothing different now. Obama claims he killed Osama, when really anyone who followed Bush would have been able to kill him. It was pure LUCK that Obama killed Osama. That very well could have been McCain in that position, and I'm sure that people wouldn't be bragging so much about it as they are on the left.
Let's start with healthcare. Obama feels compelled to pass some universal healthcare bullshit that really just make's it like Canada's. Excuse me, I live in Canada, and our healthcare system is utter SHIT. We get taxed to hell to pay for socialistic healthcare that is almost useless. In my area (Toronto, Ontario) I have been to the ER on numerous occasions. I wait at the very least 3 hours to get served by a doctor in the fucking Emergency Room! I was forced to wait an entire 6 hours to receive treatment for a broken leg. You are left sitting there with all of the other sick patients so you can catch whatever they have too, as if what you were in there wasn't good enough.
Why is this? Oh, because if you call 911 and pay the money, they'll take you straight in. A dual system works best. Anyone who says that fully public healthcare is good for America is talking out of their ass. I live with it first hand and it's horrendous. I prefer going to a private clinic here in Canada when I can, I receive treatment in a few moments and I am out of there. Health insurance is not that expensive if you study and get a job. The whole point of this system is to encourage people to do the OPPOSITE. They think "Oh, the government will take care of me, no big deal". We pay absurd taxes over in Canada. You do not want this kind of healthcare system. What's Obama's fallback plan you ask? Oh yeah, it's taxing the same millionaires and billionaires that put America to work.
People always ask "Why do the rich need all that money? They can pay the extra taxes." What people don't even realize is that when you tax the owner of a corporation of a gas company for example, to offset that, gas prices will increase. Therefore, Obama want's to not only tax the wealthy, but he want's to squeeze out more money from honest hard working Americans. These rich people are what drive the entire economy. People do not want to be punished for success and they send the wrong message by taxing the people who worked hard and have a good education to be successful.
Next up, the issue of Bush.
Obviously the left loves to blame Bush for absolutely everything bad that has happened during Obama's term. Bush was BY FAR more honest than any modern day democrat that I have ever seen. The media pumped him up by making him look even worse. Only Bush would have had the guts to stand up and say "We did not find WMD's" "I apologize deeply for my actions"
I could not even imagine Obama saying those words. Obama needs to start taking responsibility for his actions. He needs to stop blaming Bush for everything, when it is clearly his policies that are getting us into trouble.
Then there's the issue of the single issue voters. Most voters nowadays just look at a few issues and see which president either supports or does not support those issues. Then they go ahead and vote for the one that agreed the most with them. People would rather vote for a president who cares about gay marriage instead of fiscal responsibility.
Lastly there's those die hard Obama voters that don't even follow anything. They are clueless as a rock and just sit on the street with posters about how Obama is the next Jesus. When they are confronted with a question they crawl into a little corner and get their panties in a bunch because they have no fucking idea what they are even supporting.
Obama will always have the support of the black community. Spare me the "Racist asshole" crap as I live in a multicultural society filled with all kinds of people. Most people I communicate with are not of white ethnicity. The black community votes for Obama simply because he's black. Some people do have reasons, and I recognize that. But the majority do not.
This is my opinion, however I know people will get fired up about this. I can't stand one sided arguments, so I thought I would present mine.
Obama has added more debt than Bush has in half the time.
It doesn't matter, it's Bush's fault.
More Americans are unemployed now than when Obama took office.
Doesn't matter, it's Bush's fault.
The rate of poverty has increased since Obama took office.
Doesn't matter, it's all Bush's fault.
The people dependent on welfare/food stamps has increased since Obama took office.
Doesn't matter, it's all Bush's fault.
Cooperate tax rates are up to 35%.
Doesn't matter, it's all Bush's fault.
41 or so months with over 8% unemployment.
Doesn't matter, it was all Bush's fault.
No one can be pleased. People on the left have an infinite line of excuses for what has happened in the past 4 years. If you wish, watch this video. It will explain it in a comedic way that you will most likely be able to understand if you're not to keen on politics.
4 Years ago, everyone was was sick with Obama fever. People were promised hope and change. I see absolutely nothing different now. Obama claims he killed Osama, when really anyone who followed Bush would have been able to kill him. It was pure LUCK that Obama killed Osama. That very well could have been McCain in that position, and I'm sure that people wouldn't be bragging so much about it as they are on the left.
Let's start with healthcare. Obama feels compelled to pass some universal healthcare bullshit that really just make's it like Canada's. Excuse me, I live in Canada, and our healthcare system is utter SHIT. We get taxed to hell to pay for socialistic healthcare that is almost useless. In my area (Toronto, Ontario) I have been to the ER on numerous occasions. I wait at the very least 3 hours to get served by a doctor in the fucking Emergency Room! I was forced to wait an entire 6 hours to receive treatment for a broken leg. You are left sitting there with all of the other sick patients so you can catch whatever they have too, as if what you were in there wasn't good enough.
Why is this? Oh, because if you call 911 and pay the money, they'll take you straight in. A dual system works best. Anyone who says that fully public healthcare is good for America is talking out of their ass. I live with it first hand and it's horrendous. I prefer going to a private clinic here in Canada when I can, I receive treatment in a few moments and I am out of there. Health insurance is not that expensive if you study and get a job. The whole point of this system is to encourage people to do the OPPOSITE. They think "Oh, the government will take care of me, no big deal". We pay absurd taxes over in Canada. You do not want this kind of healthcare system. What's Obama's fallback plan you ask? Oh yeah, it's taxing the same millionaires and billionaires that put America to work.
People always ask "Why do the rich need all that money? They can pay the extra taxes." What people don't even realize is that when you tax the owner of a corporation of a gas company for example, to offset that, gas prices will increase. Therefore, Obama want's to not only tax the wealthy, but he want's to squeeze out more money from honest hard working Americans. These rich people are what drive the entire economy. People do not want to be punished for success and they send the wrong message by taxing the people who worked hard and have a good education to be successful.
Next up, the issue of Bush.
Obviously the left loves to blame Bush for absolutely everything bad that has happened during Obama's term. Bush was BY FAR more honest than any modern day democrat that I have ever seen. The media pumped him up by making him look even worse. Only Bush would have had the guts to stand up and say "We did not find WMD's" "I apologize deeply for my actions"
I could not even imagine Obama saying those words. Obama needs to start taking responsibility for his actions. He needs to stop blaming Bush for everything, when it is clearly his policies that are getting us into trouble.
Then there's the issue of the single issue voters. Most voters nowadays just look at a few issues and see which president either supports or does not support those issues. Then they go ahead and vote for the one that agreed the most with them. People would rather vote for a president who cares about gay marriage instead of fiscal responsibility.
Lastly there's those die hard Obama voters that don't even follow anything. They are clueless as a rock and just sit on the street with posters about how Obama is the next Jesus. When they are confronted with a question they crawl into a little corner and get their panties in a bunch because they have no fucking idea what they are even supporting.
Obama will always have the support of the black community. Spare me the "Racist asshole" crap as I live in a multicultural society filled with all kinds of people. Most people I communicate with are not of white ethnicity. The black community votes for Obama simply because he's black. Some people do have reasons, and I recognize that. But the majority do not.
This is my opinion, however I know people will get fired up about this. I can't stand one sided arguments, so I thought I would present mine.
Another thing, here in America if your yearly income is over $250,000 you pay 35% in Federal Income Taxes. It's simple mathematics... if you make $250,000 a year you end up paying $87,500 alone in income taxes, let's not forget the cost of living, electricity, water.. or well lets sum it up as utilities. If you tax the hell out of the utility companies they have no choice but to raise their rates to compensate for their own taxes.
My opinion is that the government needs to get out of the way of business. Let businesses and healthcare do their own thing because whatever the government touches they ruin it or tax the living fuck out of it. Look at cigarettes and alcohol, the government has their hands in the Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds cookie jar... don't quote me on the tax rate, but if PM and RJR were to ever make Class B Cigarettes they'd lose money just because of the tax rate. Plus I'm tired of paying almost $6 for a pack of Marlboro Menthol's or a pack of Camel Crush's.
I don't want to get into it but I'm just throwing out some information that is in plain sight. And I remember a man that my dad looked up to back in the 1960s... John F Kennedy... "My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country." Mind you that JFK was a Democrat, but he wasn't a socialist/communist. But if my generation wants to be part of a Socialist or Communist country, I'm sure Canada would gladly grant them residency and citizenship or other countries.(No offense Millz I know how much you hate your government :p)
10-18-2012, 08:58 AM
#39
Pseudo_Soldier
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10-18-2012, 09:13 AM
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[ATTACH=CONFIG]19783[/ATTACH]
5.1 Trillion for BUSH vs 983 Billion for Obama.
DOW has went from 7,000 to 13,000 since Obama took office
Gasoline prices, the rate of poverty, food stamp use and the federal debt are worse today than when the president took office.
The unemployment rate, personal income and the stock market turned worse but are improving.
Corporate profits, mortgage rates and the level of consumer debt are better today.
Everything Republicans want, a strong stock market and a brainwashed public. Let's not forget that Obama had 1.5years before Republicans took Congress and stopped all his plans. You're straight up ignorant and can't even use google properly so shut the FUCK up and live in your Republican/Business owned America already!
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[ATTACH=CONFIG]19783[/ATTACH]
5.1 Trillion for BUSH vs 983 Billion for Obama.
DOW has went from 7,000 to 13,000 since Obama took office
Gasoline prices, the rate of poverty, food stamp use and the federal debt are worse today than when the president took office.
The unemployment rate, personal income and the stock market turned worse but are improving.
Corporate profits, mortgage rates and the level of consumer debt are better today.
Everything Republicans want, a strong stock market and a brainwashed public. Let's not forget that Obama had 1.5years before Republicans took Congress and stopped all his plans. You're straight up ignorant and can't even use google properly so shut the FUCK up and live in your Republican/Business owned America already!
10-18-2012, 04:35 PM
#41
Rath
Today Will Be Different
Originally posted by Soldier
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[ATTACH=CONFIG]19783[/ATTACH]
5.1 Trillion for BUSH vs 983 Billion for Obama.
DOW has went from 7,000 to 13,000 since Obama took office
Gasoline prices, the rate of poverty, food stamp use and the federal debt are worse today than when the president took office.
The unemployment rate, personal income and the stock market turned worse but are improving.
Corporate profits, mortgage rates and the level of consumer debt are better today.
Everything Republicans want, a strong stock market and a brainwashed public. Let's not forget that Obama had 1.5years before Republicans took Congress and stopped all his plans. You're straight up ignorant and can't even use google properly so shut the FUCK up and live in your Republican/Business owned America already!
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[ATTACH=CONFIG]19783[/ATTACH]
5.1 Trillion for BUSH vs 983 Billion for Obama.
DOW has went from 7,000 to 13,000 since Obama took office
Gasoline prices, the rate of poverty, food stamp use and the federal debt are worse today than when the president took office.
The unemployment rate, personal income and the stock market turned worse but are improving.
Corporate profits, mortgage rates and the level of consumer debt are better today.
Everything Republicans want, a strong stock market and a brainwashed public. Let's not forget that Obama had 1.5years before Republicans took Congress and stopped all his plans. You're straight up ignorant and can't even use google properly so shut the FUCK up and live in your Republican/Business owned America already!
Just a heads up but you got your information from The Washington Post which is politically biased. Get it from a non politically affiliated/non biased source. But anyway, yes Obama's deficit spending was lower than Bush's but our national debt skyrocketed you surely cannot deny that. And funny enough that you bring up that Obama only had 1.5 years before Republicans took Congress. Bush during his last two years of his final term he had a Democratic Congress... and in the last two years of his term we ended up in a recession. Not only was the House of Representatives Democratic so was the Senate. Coincidence or just a bunch of bullshit?
Also if you want a Socialistic country why not just move to Greece(completely collapsed economy/overly inflated government) or Canada which is heading down the same path?
Might as well throw this out there, but Obama had a house in his favor for two years... Don't even start with the lying... Mr. Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
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10-19-2012, 11:28 AM
#43
Pseudo_Soldier
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So the problem with my post is it is wrong because of the point of my post? Typical BS. Bush equals 6 years of basically unchallenged politics and an unchallenged agenda with 2 years of being democratically challenged. Your comment is wrong because your saying that 2 years of pure democratic "rule" and 2 years with the president in charge ready to make a mess of any bill set forth with a Republican held Supreme Court which it still is, is enough to heal an economy which we can all agree is a fragile thing. So 2/3 of government being in control of the Republicans(which means all) for 10 out of the 12 current years in question. Wow I can certainly see why the Democrats have screwed this country over in those 2 years. Wow how ignorant can you REALLY be by saying 2 years IS enough to screw a country cited here "Bush during his last two years of his final term he had a Democratic Congress... and in the last two years of his term we ended up in a recession." but imply it should ALSO be fixed in 2 years and that it's their(Democrats) fault. But I guess I probably shouldn't use your words against you because there biased. Canada economy is shrinking, oh no! It certainly can't be because of You must login or register to view this content.. As you say, Coincidence?
Just for fun see economists views on where debt came from from a science based study (even though from your views I'm guessing you're a religious man who doesn't trust science, just some discrimination on my part).
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Just for fun see economists views on where debt came from from a science based study (even though from your views I'm guessing you're a religious man who doesn't trust science, just some discrimination on my part).
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10-19-2012, 08:09 PM
#45
Glass Attack
Haxor!
10-19-2012, 08:19 PM
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ShinigamiUzi
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