(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); I'm interested to see what people think about this, my belief is that regardless of your economic state, oppressive goverment or whatever other factors people often say are linked... we're all slaves to something. Sure I agree we could be 'more free' without all our modern-day reliabilities but does that truly matter, I'm a very left-wing person and I do stand for change so we can truly have freedom, mainly of speech and other things e.g recreational drugs. But I'm not naive in thinking pure freedom is good, most of the world's population would die out without the 'care' of their sometimes ruthless goverments and we'd end up living in a darwinian society although there are some more sadistic people who'd enjoy such a turn of events;p And even in that state we'd still be slaves to our natural masters, e.g hunger and whatnot so why make it more difficult?:'
Anyways, please post your opinions on the topic because as I said I'm eager to hear other views on it.

And I'll leave you with a possible debate starting quote; “Man is free at the moment he wishes to be.” - Voltaire

Someone hasn't been playing enough assassins creed.

Freedom only goes so far as the people are willing to go.

So long as there are people who like to obstruct our ability to operate as individuals- as clear minded thinking people, we will forever be disabled and chained to the responsibilities those with more fortunate beginnings have.

In other words, we are slaves to those higher then us, little man listens to big man, this is the basic foundation of life that we currently live in and it isn't going to change for quite some time. In fact everything that happens around us is being manipulated by someone else and they are constantly giving orders that are being carried out yet aren't seen.

Facebook is a tool of war and needs to be destroyed. I cant believe the internet has become far more chaotic then it originally was, life doesnt even make sense anymore.

I think as long as we can think our own thoughts, we are free in our own minds. As far as physical life is concerned; The Authorities only let us have some freedoms. We're lead to believe that we can follow our hearts and desires, but only through an outrageous amount of paperwork or hoops set up due to regulations, permits, permission, acceptance, etc.

The day where you could go find a spot of land, build a home and just live are gone. Now you have to purchase the land from some entity. Hell, even back in the day you had to either trade, buy, steal or kill for the land. At least there was some more freedom in the last two aforementioned ways of obtaining a stake.

And this is just for the United States. I don't consider myself well versed in any other countries' policies so I wouldn't have anything to say about how free a person may be there.

I think what's more important to wonder about is whether or not absolute freedom is good. Humans being animals, eventually groups and heir-achy are formed, and that's limiting freedom to someone at some point. I don't think anything would get done if everyone was free to do whatever the hell they wanted at any time. This isn't to say that I'm a fan of slaving my life away to live in a box for 30+ years before dying. I would much rather be a wild animal out there somewhere. But how does that help anyone else? How does it even help me?

Wild animals do not need to be controlled. Wild animals get to do all the mundane tasks that they really do in actuality and you get to see their true personality surface. Kind of like killers who always liked killing but could never do it for some unknown reason or bad targets.

What you say holds much weight, but there will always be some fake form of order people hold in their general communities, and it has always been like that- law or no law. Which is why my last post makes all the more sense. It happens naturally and automatically, you do not need rules to enforce power on others, anyone who feels superior *Or hell even inferior* will try to string their wills over others, its been happening forever and still is.

That is why freedom only goes so far as the people will it, the more people who want to decide their own thoughts, and not have the same people in control all the time will be able to share the power with everyone else and that power will descend to the rest of the people, at least thats how it works in theory, and thats how the US is supposedly supposed to work, but anyone who knows better knows better.

If you're doing something of your own volition and you're well aware of it then I'd hardly call that being a slave.

Freedom is so overrated to the point where certain individual groups say they want certain things but they trample on other people freedom to get it. Would it be better to have a North Korean style government to oppress freedom? Maybe but 70% of the population wouldn't care to the point if he/her neighbor are in the same messed up situation. The only way to be truly have freedom is stop the dependency of the government and be conscious of the laws.

(Again) sorry for the late reply, for whatever reason I was unable to login until today.

Believe me when I say that I get your point. I listen to Rise Against and due to some of their songs(e.g. Drones) I've taken an active interest in this kind of thing. I'm actually just looking around for a good hardcopy of 1984 by George Orwell to see which parallels I can draw between that fictional world and today.

Having said that, you'd be foolish to even think of "taking to a jungle in Africa". No easy access to water, food, shelter, clothing, et cetera. Sure you'd be free of society but you'd probably die within a few days. The only solution is education and some form of revolution, peaceful or if necessary otherwise.

It does not exists, it never has and it never will!

I'd rather refer to them as savages. As shit as our society appears to be from a skeptic's point of view that's far worse.

We are free to do whatever the government tells us we can do.