(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); I'm interested to see what people think about this, my belief is that regardless of your economic state, oppressive goverment or whatever other factors people often say are linked... we're all slaves to something. Sure I agree we could be 'more free' without all our modern-day reliabilities but does that truly matter, I'm a very left-wing person and I do stand for change so we can truly have freedom, mainly of speech and other things e.g recreational drugs. But I'm not naive in thinking pure freedom is good, most of the world's population would die out without the 'care' of their sometimes ruthless goverments and we'd end up living in a darwinian society although there are some more sadistic people who'd enjoy such a turn of events;p And even in that state we'd still be slaves to our natural masters, e.g hunger and whatnot so why make it more difficult?:'
Anyways, please post your opinions on the topic because as I said I'm eager to hear other views on it.

And I'll leave you with a possible debate starting quote; “Man is free at the moment he wishes to be.” - Voltaire

Freedom will always be illusionary in one form or another. Best just to protect the essential freedoms such as freedom of speech(which sadly is taking a royal bashing here in England at the moment).

This is a very interesting topic. To be honest we can quote philosophers all day long about what freedom is, or how we trade freedoms for other luxuries. Although I do believe that there are most definitely freedoms. One cannot disagree with that as you can observe the freedom of speech, religion, pursuit of happiness, etc...

Yeah, I think we can all agree we will never be fully liberated but the shackles we can't shake don't particularly hinder us (Not taking into account our emotions however as some people are more governed by that than others...). We just need our main freedoms that define us as humans, often so we can evolve socially as at the moment so many people are happily right-wing/ignorant enough to support right-wing leaders or even naive enough to think we're the good guys and without things like freedom of speech we can never see the truth, e.g people like Julian Assange shouldn't be bullied because he believes in freedom and has a a moral code. Speaking of him I found it convenient how it was only after his goverment-scaring activities that the 'rape case' cropped up, good ol' goverments eh! But yeah I mean there's more freedoms nessecary than speech but that was simply an example sadly people don't seem to want to fight for them, as ignorance truly is bliss.

We have no freedom. We don't even have freedom of speech. If we did, people wouldn't be getting arrested for facebook/twitter posts, getting arrested for voicing their opinions and so on.

We get watched on CCTV to "protect us". Who has access to those streams? We are constantly being watched and listened to. We might as well live in North Korea.

I don't think humans have ever been "free". Well, maybe when there was no governments, man could do what they wanted/needed to survive. Now we have guys earning far too much of our money to fuck us all up and tell us what to do.

So you being able to type that is "no freedom"?


I retort to my first post


Freedom of speech is limited under specific circumstances. This includes threats on lives and things of that nature.


Okay?


...you have to be kidding me. Your comparing a democracy where you can talk shit about your country, leave your country if you want, etc... to a dictatorship, near no freedoms in general, and you can be punished for disliking your government.


Governments are necessary. John Locke suggests we exchanged some freedoms in exchange for the securities brought by government.

When you break things down it just alot of reactions going on in your head.
It just random quatum behaviour.
Here is a the question when does it stop being random and controlled by us.

It a impossible question to answer.

If I ran down the street fully naked I'd get arrested. How is HAVING to be clothed freedom? We weren't born with clothes, so why do we HAVE to wear them, unless we are in a nudist zone?

How many times a day do you think you're captured on CCTV? Once, twice? More like hundreds (providing you go out). Cameras are everywhere.

People have been arrested for posting stuff on Facebook/Twitter that don't threaten lives or anything of the kind, just some sick jokes. If we had full freedom, this wouldn't happen.

We have "freedom", but it's nowhere near "free". There are limitations on EVERYTHING we can do and it's getting worse. Perhaps your Country isn't as bad, or you just don't know it, but England is far from being a "free" state.

Yet we are considered a free countries, there are many rules and laws to abide by. Saying that one is free, will never be a true statement because we will always, and forever be under someone or something controlling our behavior and demeanor. However, compared to other countries US citizen are considered free, although the term should be "freer".

I disagree regarding the U.S. It's just a stronger degree of ignorance of the control those at the top actually have.