Post: Communism or Democracy?
01-11-2013, 03:18 PM #1
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01-12-2013, 11:09 AM #2
Originally posted by Uncle
communism is good and if u dont don't like it
you are a phaggot
heil hitler


How mature. Please leave this section and never return.

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01-12-2013, 02:46 PM #3
Rath
Today Will Be Different
As everyone knows... Communism looks good on paper because it stands for equality and fairness. Does it work? No it doesn't. And if anyone studied and understands political ideologies they'd know that Democracy also stands for equality and fairness. However in a Democracy people are represented by elected officials who are bound to fulfill the wishes of society. But one differences between Communism and a Democracy is that in Communism the government has complete control over the production and distribution of goods and resources are shared equally throughout the society. But in a democracy that aspect isn't there.

My opinion is that Democracy is a stepping stone towards total government control.. Communism.
01-12-2013, 04:30 PM #4
Originally posted by Uncle
Please do not quote me again, I feel such filth whenever a supporter of gay rights/marriage even breathes the same air as me.


In the interest of intellectualism I'm happy to debate you on that in the gay marriage thread, however cheap insults serve no purpose. Whether you're trolling or just genuinely are that misguided and vicious this is the sort of post that doesn't belong here.

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01-12-2013, 05:03 PM #5
Toke
PC Master Race
can you please stop pushing your conservative views. he is eligible to his personal beliefs without being PERSECUTED BY YOU!
01-12-2013, 05:17 PM #6
DaSandman
Little One
Originally posted by RathHavoc View Post
As everyone knows... Communism looks good on paper because it stands for equality and fairness. Does it work? No it doesn't. And if anyone studied and understands political ideologies they'd know that Democracy also stands for equality and fairness. However in a Democracy people are represented by elected officials who are bound to fulfill the wishes of society. But one differences between Communism and a Democracy is that in Communism the government has complete control over the production and distribution of goods and resources are shared equally throughout the society. But in a democracy that aspect isn't there.

My opinion is that Democracy is a stepping stone towards total government control.. Communism.


Sometimes a Communism is needed to correct the screw ups of the Democracy.

Look at North Korea for a moment: Yes 90% of the population are suffering but most of that 90% are happy with not having a lot. Low crime rates is a plus but shoot first and don't ask questions is how it goes. The things we take for granted is treated like gold over there.

I am just rumbling on at the moment.
01-12-2013, 05:25 PM #7
Millz
Worth the Weight
Neither. A constitutional republic is what I prefer.

Communism doesn't work. The idea doesn't work. It does not look good on paper either. Making people "equal" is equivalent to making people mediocre and celebrating it. I have seen what socialism and communism can do to a country first hand, and I can tell you it is not pretty. The massive amounts of redistribution of wealth, the government taking properties from people, the censorship, the execution of people in public, the propaganda. I could go on. I feel as if the people who think that communism is a "good idea in theory" don't exactly know what it feels like when true communism is implemented. I'll leave it at that. I have seen communism first hand, and I can guarantee you wouldn't like to live in it. Even if it may look good on paper to some.

On the other hand, we have a Democracy. Democracy does work for the most part, however the problem is that the general public in most nations that have Democracy are politically and fiscally illiterate, and are going to vote for the the person who promises the most handouts. Now of course this would have been much different 50 years ago, where people still believed that you had the right to earn money and become successful, and where people just loved to work for their country. It was when people still wanted to accomplish things. So, what's wrong with a Democracy some people may ask? Well in recent times, people who are elected under a democracy are elected so with absolute power. They have no regard for things like the constitution, and are stepping all over the rights of the people. What will happen when the world has a Democracy + a crappy socialist leader? Well I'll let you to figure that one out, but if you suffer from some form of critical thinking I think you know what is going to happen. Don't act like it's never going to happen, at this rate I'll probably be prosecuted for speaking out against these types of policies within 50 years. Unless I'm a target for assassination instead.

So, what is the answer? A constitutional republic. A constitutional republic means that the elected officials must govern according to exist constitutional law that limits the government's power of it's citizens. That means that a certain someone cannot take away your guns because he/she feels like it, instead they must govern using the constitution. This prevents pure Democracy, and prevents absolute power over the people. A constitutional republic has limited power over the people, meaning that there will be smaller government, more rights given to people and less penalizing of the successful.

I believe neither pure Democracy nor Communism will ever be the best choice for the people. But I obviously would support Democracy over Communism, incase I didn't make myself clear :p
01-12-2013, 08:30 PM #8
Rath
Today Will Be Different
Originally posted by Millz59 View Post
Neither. A constitutional republic is what I prefer.

Communism doesn't work. The idea doesn't work. It does not look good on paper either. Making people "equal" is equivalent to making people mediocre and celebrating it. I have seen what socialism and communism can do to a country first hand, and I can tell you it is not pretty. The massive amounts of redistribution of wealth, the government taking properties from people, the censorship, the execution of people in public, the propaganda. I could go on. I feel as if the people who think that communism is a "good idea in theory" don't exactly know what it feels like when true communism is implemented. I'll leave it at that. I have seen communism first hand, and I can guarantee you wouldn't like to live in it. Even if it may look good on paper to some.

On the other hand, we have a Democracy. Democracy does work for the most part, however the problem is that the general public in most nations that have Democracy are politically and fiscally illiterate, and are going to vote for the the person who promises the most handouts. Now of course this would have been much different 50 years ago, where people still believed that you had the right to earn money and become successful, and where people just loved to work for their country. It was when people still wanted to accomplish things. So, what's wrong with a Democracy some people may ask? Well in recent times, people who are elected under a democracy are elected so with absolute power. They have no regard for things like the constitution, and are stepping all over the rights of the people. What will happen when the world has a Democracy + a crappy socialist leader? Well I'll let you to figure that one out, but if you suffer from some form of critical thinking I think you know what is going to happen. Don't act like it's never going to happen, at this rate I'll probably be prosecuted for speaking out against these types of policies within 50 years. Unless I'm target for assassination instead.

So, what is the answer? A constitutional republic. A constitutional republic means that the elected officials must govern according to exist constitutional law that limits the government's power of it's citizens. That means that a certain someone cannot take away your guns because he/she feels like it, instead they must govern using the constitution. This prevents pure Democracy, and prevents absolute power over the people. A constitutional republic has limited power over the people, meaning that there will be smaller government, more rights given to people and less penalizing of the successful.

I believe neither pure Democracy nor Communism will ever be the best choice for the people. But I obviously would support Democracy over Communism, incase I didn't make myself clear :p


Well said Millz. However the term "looks good on paper" was coined because of the Communist Manifesto since it mentions equality and fairness and never really discusses how corrupt Communism is. However the cruel reality of it is total government control which you brought up in your post. So it's not literally referring to Communism but what Karl Marx said about it.

Me and you share the same political views. And I'm sure we are some of the few people who know what America was founded on.. it was a Constitutional Republic. However throughout the years people have been trying to change it to a Democracy and they are doing so now. And you pretty much nailed it.. free stuff over freedom. I myself would prefer Democracy over Communism but ultimately I want America to go back to being a Constitutional Republic.

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01-12-2013, 09:48 PM #9
Dr.Fox
Foxeh =D
Having read what people have written so far , I seem to have a similar opinion. In theory ,communism works . If you explain it breifly to someone it would seem okay. The fact that everything is spread eqaully among the people . But in practical reality . It does not work as fluid as this . Wealth is in no way fairly distributed. The people at the top , the government etc have total control over the country and people who speak against the regime are quickly silenced. Killed off. Censored. Locked away. Places like China for example . People there live in poverty and little is done about it because they like to keep their reputation of being the worlds largest manufacturing and distributors of goods. It sounds good to have everybody on the same pay and roughly the same wealth . But people are not at all like this. I don't know an awful lot about politics , I am only trying to have a go at this so please don't rip me to pieces.
I prefer democracy . United States and the United Kingdom are democratic. I live in the United Kingdom and I like the country I live in. However the government do have total control over you , and the people that are elected can easily be biased. If a man says he will help the poor and cuts taxes for everyone and reduce poverty and crime... people will vote. Wheter or not he does it is a different story.
01-13-2013, 12:49 PM #10
That's actually a large issue with politics at the moment - the amount of lying and deceiving that goes on pre-election. And of course the public fall for it all over again a few years later. Sigh.

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