Post: Should sex case defendants get anonymity until proven guilty?
02-16-2013, 11:47 PM #1
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); So I was reading the news and I noticed this article and it began to grind my gears a little and with no comments section on the article I can't post my opinions there so instead I decided I'd make a discussion topic on NGU.

Here's the article:

Originally posted by another user
Sex case defendants 'should get anonymity'

Suspects in sex cases should have their identities protected until they are convicted, a senior lawyer has said.

Maura McGowan QC, chairman of the Bar Council of England and Wales, said defendants should get the same right to anonymity as complainants.

She wants the change because sexual allegations carry "such a stigma".

But the charity Rape Crisis said anonymity for defendants would discourage people from reporting sex crimes and "victimise victims further".

Ms McGowan told BBC Radio 5 live: "Until they have been proven to have done something as awful as this, I think there is a strong argument in cases of this sort - because they carry such stigma with them - to maintain the defendant's anonymity.

"But once the defendant is convicted then of course everything should be open to scrutiny and to the public."
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Jo Wood, of the charity Rape Crisis, said it would "never condone" anonymity for defendants in sex cases.

"There are so many barriers to victims reporting sexual violence," she said.

"Hiding the name of their perpetrator is just one more way to victimise victims further."

Ms McGowan said there were arguments on both sides. When anonymity had been accorded to defendants before "there was a sense that perhaps it was affording too much protection to people. There is obviously a public interest in open justice - people would say they're entitled to know not simply who's convicted, but who's been accused."

In cases like that of Jimmy Savile, she added, it might be that "if one complainant comes forward against a person, it might give other people who don't know her - but who went through the same experience - the courage to come forward as well."

The treatment of those involved in sex cases has gained attention recently following the apparent suicide of Frances Andrade, 48, after giving evidence at the trial of Michael Brewer.

Plans to restore anonymity to rape defendants were included in the 2010 coalition agreement but the scheme was dropped later that year. Ministers said there was "not enough evidence" to justify the move.

Anonymity was granted to rape defendants under the 1976 Sexual Offences Act but removed in 1988.


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So my feelings on this are that the accused should already have anonymity, and the people defending not giving the accused anonymity are okay with possibly fucking up innocent peoples lives.

Here's how I see it, picture this you are accused of rape by your recently broken up with girlfriend you have done nothing but she's pissed off and wants to get back at you. The case involving you is blown out of proportion and you have your reputation ruined, lynch mobs after you threatening you for raping an innocent girl. mail box filled with hate mail yet you know you have done nothing wrong. The case goes to court and after it all you are found innocent but yet your reputation has been severely damaged and now trying to get a job or anything is going to be incredibly fucking hard let alone getting back to normal life.

This could all be avoided if the accused were given anonymity at least until they are found guilt (To me this seems like the logical thing to do and how it should already fucking be) but yet the reason they give for not giving the accused anonymity is that and here's a quote from the charity rape crisis "anonymity for defendants would discourage people from reporting sex crimes and "victimise victims further""

So it's not okay to "victimise victims further" but it is essential okay to deny an accused person anonymity until they are proven guilty just in case it so happens that they are not found guilty.

The only real claim they have is that other people might come forward if the accused has possibly raped more than one, but surely and again this should be up to a judge or the police if they so deem it necessary to release the persons information. I mean not everybody accused of rape is a Jimmy Savile scale rapist but yes in some cases perhaps if you release the accuseds personal information one or tow other may come forward. But really this should be up to the courst to decide and I mean if they feel that there is the possibility that the accused could have raped more than one person then it should be up to them to release his information, not for it to be public from the beginning. This could have the reverse effect though, I often wonder how many "victims" in the Jimmy Savile case just got involved for a metaphorical slice of the pie and an easy bit of compensation money.

So what are your thoughts guys, this article really fucked me off to no end and I need to vent somewhere about it.
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Clutch Hunterr
03-06-2013, 10:31 PM #11
GDP
"Child please..." - C. Johnson
Originally posted by Keomo View Post
Men are generally more aggressive then women etc etc, a bunch of other factors and are just more liable to doing the deed, majority of the raped are women- followed by a low amount of men, you can probably add that in with homosexuals, but im not sure how that ties in with rape... It's not something i study, but damn. But yeah as men rape is just waiting at the bottom of they're very soul, if they not currently banging a woman, they either gonna need to/turn to the dark side/suicide/get locked up. Sex is a requirement, like food, you also have to maintain it and get a healthy filling.

I'm not entirely sure what causes rape, but i read something up about some school teacher in NY who was raped by a police officer (Lol) threatened at gunpoint, she looks ight, but thats not the point, this was a teacher who was going to a freaking elementary school to teach children, who was raped by a cop on her way to said school. Fuck the Police. Also, he commited said acts up her rear, so it didnt classify as rape but as sexual assault or some shit rofl- apprantly it only counts as rape if its via vaginal penetration? She got mad and decided to fight to get it classified as rape, doesnt really matter since hes getting life regardless, but i guess i can see where shes coming from...? But yeah, i firmly believe any man is capable of rape and is just a undercover sexual deviant. Also, date rape (Alcohol, or even none but making advances on people you already KNOW- People are more likely to try having sexual relations with people they know) may play a factor as well in this. So many things.



No such thing as Justice in this world. I wanted to be a lawyer at one point, but then the truth appeared.


Wow. That...took me to an enlightened/dark/realistic place, within myself. Very well said. Saying the things that aren't necessarily popular, but you honestly know to be true. I applaud you for that...

There's a downside to that "brutally raw" way of thinking, but...I'm sure you're dealing with that everyday, in your own way. As am I...
03-06-2013, 11:00 PM #12
Jake
One Man Army
I haven't bothered reading much of the article but to go by the title, most certainly.

Innocent until proven guilty is an essential part of freedom & democracy and I think this fits into that.

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Gandalf
03-07-2013, 10:17 AM #13
Originally posted by Keomo View Post
No such thing as Justice in this world. I wanted to be a lawyer at one point, but then the truth appeared.


This line of thinking only lessens the amount of justice in the world.
03-07-2013, 07:24 PM #14
Keomo
Can’t trickshot me!
Originally posted by Clutch
This line of thinking only lessens the amount of justice in the world.


That doesnt make much sense.

Justice= Just us.

Anyone who is just ends up getting rubbed out anyway.
03-07-2013, 09:04 PM #15
Gandalf
Gandalf the Orange
Couldn't agree more!

Originally posted by Jake View Post
Innocent until proven guilty is an essential part of freedom & democracy and I think this fits into that.
03-08-2013, 11:07 PM #16
juddylovespizza
I'VE GOT JUNGLE FEVER
I have always had the same opinion on this matter as you, ever since I have read a similar news story. Sadly there has been many, many more cases exactly the same. However I think that because of the false feminist ideology our government seems sacred to offend it will not happen for many years..
03-23-2013, 10:36 PM #17
xinfectedsoulx
Daddy's home.
It's all too easy for a woman to say "He raped me" How hard is that? 3 words that need to be told to the police and a mans life has been turned upside down.

The article states "anonymity for defendants would discourage people from reporting sex crimes and "victimise victims further". If the claim is legitimate, why should it matter if the accused's Identity is anonymous? Having not been raped, I can't say how it feels. I don't understand why people don't come forward or come forward until someone else does. They can remain anonymous throughout it so no one has to know you were raped.

The article also states that "people like to know who has been accused". Sure, I understand that. I mean you'd like to know you might be living next door to a rapist, but then again, there is no proof he is otherwise he'd be in jail.

Once someone is accused of something, everyone will turn against you. Your family, friends and people you don't even know. You'd get attacked for something you haven't did, all because you had a bad break up with your girlfriend.

As the old saying goes "Innocent until proven guilty", something like this is "Guilty even if innocent"
03-23-2013, 11:02 PM #18
Kidd Cold
**** my Toaster !~!
Originally posted by Clutch
What about the countless number of men whose lives have been ruined by false claims of sexual assault?


Fucking thank you!!!!


My friend went and is going through this... Him and a friend of his had relations with this girl (same time). A year later her parents were going to press charges, then they dropped it. A couple years later he was living with his father at the time who failed to make sure he had spoken to a lawyer and/or had one present when the cops called him in... My friend admitted he knew both the girl and his friend and I can't recall if he admitted to having sex.

Long story short girl was a whore, had previously claimed rape and dropped the case against some other guy. She has had sexual encounters over a period of a year and a half with my friend and his friend (separate occasions).

The court didn't care... One boy was 16, one was 14 and the girl was 15 or 14 (at time of sex). Towards the end my friend and his friend claimed no contest, the case went from rape to statutory rape for only the boys. Although from my understanding the girl admitted and should have been charged with statutory also.

This wasn't brought into light until my friend was 16... Because her parents forced her into this situation and they knew if they pressed charges right away there would be evidence and a chance my friend would get off with a lesser charge if not any.

The media not only published his name like crazy during the case... Then went so far as to word the article to make it sound like my friend was 17 and the girl was 14 when the truth is they were both 14.

He served a year in jail, has a huge scar on his forehead from a fight in jail. Has 5-7 years probation and is on the sex offender list for 7-14 years or life IDR.. And finally he is classified as a felon... So finding work will be hard.

My friends mistake in the end was having sex young... And he will pay for that mistake possibly for his entire life.

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