Post: Philosophy - What's Your Take?
03-04-2013, 09:50 PM #1
Mr.Kane
Greatness
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Philosophy is the one subject at school I think I will do well in (I cover religious studies at the moment next year I start philosophy) and many people have differing opinions on it, my dad thinks it is a waste of time as it is just bullshiting to him. I personally love it, asking questions with no answer and coming to your own conclusion, having an understanding of something that can be so different to how the person next to you perceives things.

Quotes such as "I think therefore I am" which require some thought to understand and grasp, being able to show an understanding of what may or may not be a greater world.

It is just something I love to do and wanted to get others opinions on the subject it self and if anyone here has ever studied it.
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Shepleklet
03-06-2013, 10:52 PM #11
Keomo
Can’t trickshot me!
Originally posted by elfmotat View Post
I don't remember ever bringing up religion, actually. The only mention of religion up until now was how Mr. Kane was taking a religious studies class.



Really? Name one.


Life. We are confronted with a problem, we start to confront the problem, it is in our nature as human beings to question life, and things in it. If we continued doing the same things over and over with no change in flow, our lives would be meaningless and ungainly.



Originally posted by elfmotat View Post
Actually no, they can't. Any well-defined theory must be compared to experiment to evaluate its validity. If a theory disagrees with experiment then it's wrong. It doesn't matter how smart the person is who came up with it, or what his name is, etc. If it disagrees with experiment then it's wrong. An unprecise theory, for example "A more or less does B, which can sorta kinda do C," is ill-defined, and as such is unfalsifiable. It can't be proven wrong because it has no predictive power whatever.


Philosophy isnt just limited to conducting experiments, sometimes the questions we raise up never even get tested... which is unfortunate, however the ones that do get tested out end up providing us with RESULTS in the end, whether our assumptions were correct or incorrect, it is the process of beginning to question what is in front of you and having the courage, tenacity, and willpower- included with dedication to study those things. That is why philosophers live their lives, they can't even walk outside without asking why they walk a certain way or why they didn't do a certain thing when they could have. It isnt meaningless, it isnt a waste of time, it is a way of life. Many great people, teachers and learners needed to hold certain beliefs or ideals in order to function on a level that would enhance their livelihood, and they did so to enrich their lives and the lives of others, Philosophy is a way of life lived by many people all at once, and honestly there would be many more problems if not for people who take a second to ask the simple question of "Why"?



Originally posted by elfmotat View Post
That's called sociology, which employs the scientific method. If a well-defined theory in sociology makes predictions that agree with experiment, then it's obviously a good idea to use said theory. Pure Philosophy, by definition, is the attempt to understand nature by pure thought alone. Failure to compare philosophical ideas to experiment leads to the nonsense like "heavier objects fall faster than lighter objects" which nobody bothered to question for a few hundred years after Aristotle said it.


Not just nature, and not just purely by thought, there are a certain series of rules that must be followed in order to come to an appropriate conclusion, but it isnt as tight as math, you can freely think and discuss what you believe to be true as long as the available evidence or assumption is congruent with known patterns in life. For example- "If he likes wearing pants, then he must always wear them" = This is a good argument, but it can be easily broken down by saying that he felt like not wearing pants on a certain day because of a personal vindication of his liking of wearing pants, or he even decided to wear shorts because his friends like them better then pants... or... (Point here is that raising the question may provide no relative information or even the information you were expecting to receive, but you do gain a few things at the end, even if the conclusion isnt as successfully reached as you wanted it to be.

Originally posted by elfmotat View Post
You might argue that "we're dealing with terms that can't be so precisely defined." Right! But then you can't claim to know anything about it.


True, but you have many people who decide to speak of things they have no knowledge of, and that doesnt stop them from assuming conclusions or making up pre-based conceptions about certain things. Putting people in a box, saying its already decided, those kinds of people are not philosophers, they are people who are AGAINST philosophy, and they do indeed exist. Its people like that who make the Era's of society stay the same because they are afraid of change, afraid of flow, and afraid of true individuality and complex thought patterns. Its people like that- that hold humanity back from becoming something greater.



Originally posted by elfmotat View Post
Good intentions I don't doubt. But its ability to produce useful knowledge is null.


It is not invalid. If Philosophy didnt help improve life, then most of the things that people truly enjoy in this world would be gone, expunged, and we would all be in the army playing out our roles as pawns.

We go to school to learn things, to teach things, to be taught things, clearly that is Philosophy inside of itself, in a mere nutshell.

You speak on what you do not understand.
03-13-2013, 10:16 PM #12
Shepleklet
u mad cuz ur ***git
Originally posted by Mr.Kane View Post
Philosophy is the one subject at school I think I will do well in (I cover religious studies at the moment next year I start philosophy) and many people have differing opinions on it, my dad thinks it is a waste of time as it is just bullshiting to him. I personally love it, asking questions with no answer and coming to your own conclusion, having an understanding of something that can be so different to how the person next to you perceives things.

Quotes such as "I think therefore I am" which require some thought to understand and grasp, being able to show an understanding of what may or may not be a greater world.

It is just something I love to do and wanted to get others opinions on the subject it self and if anyone here has ever studied it.


Yo dude if you ever want to talk about philosophy message me! Always up for a philo-chat.

But yeh, in short, philosophy is badass. Elfmotat is right, you can't be sure if you're correct in philosophy because you're dealing with the same questions only with relative meanings. However, where I don't agree with him is where he says that this renders philosophy pointless; I know you're a mathematician, Elfmotat, so you love logical patterns etc. but what's pointless about pondering the most pressing issues of existential reality and ethics?
03-14-2013, 09:52 PM #13
Mr.Kane
Greatness
Originally posted by Shepleklet View Post
Yo dude if you ever want to talk about philosophy message me! Always up for a philo-chat.

But yeh, in short, philosophy is badass. Elfmotat is right, you can't be sure if you're correct in philosophy because you're dealing with the same questions only with relative meanings. However, where I don't agree with him is where he says that this renders philosophy pointless; I know you're a mathematician, Elfmotat, so you love logical patterns etc. but what's pointless about pondering the most pressing issues of existential reality and ethics?


Thank you! Someone who agrees with me on it haha.

I like the idea of trying to understand things we cannot understand. We were discussing what was there before the creation story/big bang in my lesson and everyone said nothing but nothing is something because we can visualize it, whether it be a blank canvas of nothing or just blackness, we can see something therefore it is not nothing, because I couldn't grasp a concept I explained how we cannot grasp it (in a way I felt explained it)

If something is beyond our mental capacity, it is like trying to explain a colour to a blind man who has never had sight in his life, it cannot be done no matter how hard you try you can not explain what you see to this man.
03-14-2013, 10:11 PM #14
Dman93
Crawl to your cross
Originally posted by another user
Philosophy is the one subject at school I think I will do well in


Well you can't be bad at it, because it has no wrong answers.
03-15-2013, 10:06 AM #15
Shepleklet
u mad cuz ur ***git
Originally posted by Mr.Kane View Post
If something is beyond our mental capacity, it is like trying to explain a colour to a blind man who has never had sight in his life, it cannot be done no matter how hard you try you can not explain what you see to this man.


Pretty much. However in this particular argument about existence before the big bang, it is important to realise that it is impossible for nothing to come from something, so it can't be that the Universe just 'appeared' overnight.

Also, whatever was there before the big bang existed outside of time because even if the Universe was originally the size of an atom, since matter cannot be created or destroyed, it means that the WHOLE Universe was contained in a single, tiny particle. This would have had such an incredibly high mass that it would have manipulated space time so much that time would go so slowly that it, in effect, didn't even exist, which is totally cool.

You will probably look at the cosmological argument and 'faith' etc. This religious module is quite interesting.

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