Post: Political Viewpoint: Sony ToS Anti-Jailbreak Move
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02-15-2011, 10:08 PM
#1
Slyster2152
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I know the changing of ToS by Sony is old news, but there's a few parts that bother me, and seem like federal law would require them to change (at least in the United States).
Originally posted by another user
Using Sony Online Services
Each time you sign in to sony online services, we will collect information automatically without further notice to you,
for example:
your online ID
your ip address and device mac address (the unique numbers which identify the network and device you are using)
and the date and time of sign in;
information about the hardware you are using and how you have used it, such as model and serial number, parental
control settings, photograph and music settings, remote play settings, information about devices connected to the hardware,
how many items are stored on the hardware or have been used with the hardware and other related information;
Each time you sign in to sony online services, we will collect information automatically without further notice to you,
for example:
your online ID
your ip address and device mac address (the unique numbers which identify the network and device you are using)
and the date and time of sign in;
information about the hardware you are using and how you have used it, such as model and serial number, parental
control settings, photograph and music settings, remote play settings, information about devices connected to the hardware,
how many items are stored on the hardware or have been used with the hardware and other related information;
First thing's first, before you stop right here and say "Cool Story Bro.", I want you guys to hear me out. This topic is for intellectual stimulation, if you don't want to think very hard, then press the blue button in the top left corner of your browser, with an arrow pointing to the left. It's called the "back" button. It will take you out of the topic.
The area that has been bolded in the quote concerns me quite a bit. Basically Sony is saying they have an absolute right to take or copy and information to anything connected (USB Stick, HDD) to or stored on your console. I'm guessing this is to detect any Jailbreak Systems or anybody who is thinking about Jailbreaking. This hasn't been put into effect yet, but the new RootKit introduced in the 3.56 Update will allow Sony to see your whole console as if it was naked. My point is; How, under the United States' Bill of Rights, is this allowed?
I understand that Sony is allowed to take general surveying information (as all companies are in the U.S.), but by Sony being able to see all of the information on your console, it violates the Fourth Amendment - Privacy of Person and Possessions.
Originally posted by another user
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and belongings, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
In all technicality, Sony does not have the right to view your personal information without your permission and signed documents. It sounds a little silly to look at something from such a harsh viewpoint, but no matter to whom the ToS are from or to, the federal government and law automatically override the document if it violates the Constitution or Bill of Rights. If you signed a document to kill someone, but the document said it was okay, you would still go to prison, wouldn't you?
I'm not even close to being a lawyer, I mean I still haven't completed high-school yet for Christ sakes, but this sparked up an idea. The topic's open for discussion, I'm just curious to what you guys think? Would something like this help Geohot or any other JBers in a case? It's not really something to defend them but it's a snap back at Sony...
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02-15-2011, 10:19 PM
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Slyster2152
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02-15-2011, 10:38 PM
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david9602
Can’t trickshot me!
Originally posted by Slyster2152
I'm probably posting this in the wrong section (I haven't logged into NGU since November 2008, LOL), but, here goes nothing...
I know the changing of ToS by Sony is old news, but there's a few parts that bother me, and seem like federal law would require them to change (at least in the United States).
First thing's first, before you stop right here and say "Cool Story Bro.", I want you guys to hear me out. This topic is for intellectual stimulation, if you don't want to think very hard, then press the blue button in the top left corner of your browser, with an arrow pointing to the left. It's called the "back" button. It will take you out of the topic.
The area that has been bolded in the quote concerns me quite a bit. Basically Sony is saying they have an absolute right to take or copy and information to anything connected (USB Stick, HDD) to or stored on your console. I'm guessing this is to detect any Jailbreak Systems or anybody who is thinking about Jailbreaking. This hasn't been put into effect yet, but the new RootKit introduced in the 3.56 Update will allow Sony to see your whole console as if it was naked. My point is; How, under the United States' Bill of Rights, is this allowed?
I understand that Sony is allowed to take general surveying information (as all companies are in the U.S.), but by Sony being able to see all of the information on your console, it violates the Fourth Amendment - Privacy of Person and Possessions.
In all technicality, Sony does not have the right to view your personal information without your permission and signed documents. It sounds a little silly to look at something from such a harsh viewpoint, but no matter to whom the ToS are from or to, the federal government and law automatically override the document if it violates the Constitution or Bill of Rights. If you signed a document to kill someone, but the document said it was okay, you would still go to prison, wouldn't you?
I'm not even close to being a lawyer, I mean I still haven't completed high-school yet for Christ sakes, but this sparked up an idea. The topic's open for discussion, I'm just curious to what you guys think? Would something like this help Geohot or any other JBers in a case? It's not really something to defend them but it's a snap back at Sony...
I know the changing of ToS by Sony is old news, but there's a few parts that bother me, and seem like federal law would require them to change (at least in the United States).
First thing's first, before you stop right here and say "Cool Story Bro.", I want you guys to hear me out. This topic is for intellectual stimulation, if you don't want to think very hard, then press the blue button in the top left corner of your browser, with an arrow pointing to the left. It's called the "back" button. It will take you out of the topic.
The area that has been bolded in the quote concerns me quite a bit. Basically Sony is saying they have an absolute right to take or copy and information to anything connected (USB Stick, HDD) to or stored on your console. I'm guessing this is to detect any Jailbreak Systems or anybody who is thinking about Jailbreaking. This hasn't been put into effect yet, but the new RootKit introduced in the 3.56 Update will allow Sony to see your whole console as if it was naked. My point is; How, under the United States' Bill of Rights, is this allowed?
I understand that Sony is allowed to take general surveying information (as all companies are in the U.S.), but by Sony being able to see all of the information on your console, it violates the Fourth Amendment - Privacy of Person and Possessions.
In all technicality, Sony does not have the right to view your personal information without your permission and signed documents. It sounds a little silly to look at something from such a harsh viewpoint, but no matter to whom the ToS are from or to, the federal government and law automatically override the document if it violates the Constitution or Bill of Rights. If you signed a document to kill someone, but the document said it was okay, you would still go to prison, wouldn't you?
I'm not even close to being a lawyer, I mean I still haven't completed high-school yet for Christ sakes, but this sparked up an idea. The topic's open for discussion, I'm just curious to what you guys think? Would something like this help Geohot or any other JBers in a case? It's not really something to defend them but it's a snap back at Sony...
yea apple recently got in huge trouble for this with the iphone
02-15-2011, 11:49 PM
#9
Slyster2152
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Originally posted by clankfan1
Banning you is also like destruction of property since you can no longer use YOUR console to the full use...
I problem I see is that this is under the United States law, meaning they can get away with it in other countries.
Again we face a World Problem on creating laws for the internet!
I problem I see is that this is under the United States law, meaning they can get away with it in other countries.
Again we face a World Problem on creating laws for the internet!
It'd sound unfair to other countries, but shouldn't a company abide to each country's laws? If it creates a world problem I don't see how come they can't just limit themselves to individual servers for each country (U.S. Players play with U.S. Players ONLY, etc.). It sounds wrong to change the ToS for each area, but it seems even more wrong to keep a worldwide ToS that breaks the laws in multiple countries. Ya know?
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