Post: [UPDATE:]► Sony vs. Geohot
02-03-2011, 10:41 PM #1
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The legal action between Sony and PlayStation 3 hacker George Hotz (Geohot) continues, with Hotz' lawyer Stewart Kellar fighting for jurisdiction in New Jersey, not California.

His latest motion seeks a dismissal of the temporary restraining order due to improper venue and lack of personal jurisdiction.

Originally posted by another user
The legal arguments are thick on both sides, but Sony may face an uphill battle claiming that Hotz was aiming his actions towards California, or that his tenuous links to businesses and services residing in the state require California courts to have jurisdiction. In a case where much of the "action" in question took place virtually, with so many parties in play, there is no easy way to sort this out.
The case for California

Hotz' lawyer notes that a three-pronged test must be applied for personal jurisdiction, with all being satisfied in the eyes of the court. This is the concept of "purposeful direction" that came from Schwarzenegger v. Fred Martin Motor Co. What needs to be proved?

* The nonresident defendant must do some act or consummate some transaction with the forum or perform some act by which he purposefully avails himself of the privilege of conducting activities in the forum, thereby invoking the benefits and protections of its laws;
* The claim must be one which arises out of or results from the defendant's forum-related activities; and
* Exercise of jurisdiction must be reasonable.

"Under the first prong of a specific jurisdiction test, SCEA must demonstrate that Mr. Hotz 'purposefully availed' himself of the privilege of conducting activities in California, or purposefully directed its activities toward California," Kellar argued. That may be hard to prove on Sony's part. "Mr. Hotz maintains a passive website... The site merely makes information available and does not allow users to interact with the host computer or exchange information." Was the information included aimed specifically at California? Sony may have to prove that it was.

Kellar drives the point home. "In the present case, SCEA cannot demonstrate that Mr. Hotz's activity could even arguably be construed as expressly aimed at California. To the contrary, the sole alleged activity in this action involves Mr. Hotz—who is located in New Jersey—purportedly improperly accessing portions of his own Playstation computer—which is also located in New Jersey," he said. "The Playstation computer is not made by SCEA. It is made by Sony Inc. which is a Japanese corporation."

There is also the publication of a quote where Hotz allegedly extorted Sony by saying he should be contacted to help make future consoles more secure. Kellar stated that this quote was edited and taken out of context. The full quote, as presented in this latest motion, was: "If you want your next console to be secure, contact me, any of you."

The omission of the last section by Sony made it seem as if the comment was meant for them, when the unedited quote is more broadly meant for any business creating hardware. "The double-hearsay quote, derived from a screenshot within a forum post within a website... omits the full statement, which undermines SCEA's claim that Mr. Hotz directed any statement toward SCEA," Kellar wrote.
Trying the case in California would help Sony

George Hotz does not have the resources of Sony, and trying the case in California would be another way to increase his costs. Hotz is merely one defendant in the complaint, with multiple groups and individuals listed—many from outside the US. It's a tricky case, and Sony can definitely try to grind Hotz down with lengthy and costly litigation far from his home.

Sony's arguments for California-based jurisdiction rest entirely on the existence of Hotz' PayPal account and a line in the PlayStation Network's Terms of Service. Kellar is attacking those links to California on multiple fronts. Others are skeptical of Sony's tactics.

"The playing field is already stacked against an individual being attacked by an international corporation. For that reason, given the financial disparity, it is disturbing to see Sony trying so hard to keep the playing field so gravely tilted in its own direction," Groklaw noted. "If Hotz has done something illegal, Sony can crush him in New Jersey just as well as in California. But it would be a shame if they win simply by being able to sustain the expense of litigation until this kid gives out."


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02-04-2011, 12:09 AM #11
iTruceFret
[move]From now on, call me DRAGON.[/move]
Originally posted by xPEACExMAKERx View Post
Awesome sig man.


Thanks. I'm now able to upload my own picture. =) As a :n00b: I wasn't able to. lololol. This is, without any doubt in my mind, the best place to discover hacks for my gay Sony owned multi-billion dollar company console, AKA, the PS3.
02-04-2011, 12:12 AM #12
The Open Minded
☮✌Peace Maker✌☮
Originally posted by Truce View Post
Thanks. I'm now able to upload my own picture. =) As a :n00b: I wasn't able to. lololol. This is, without any doubt in my mind, the best place to discover hacks for my gay Sony owned multi-billion dollar company console, AKA, the PS3.

Ill second that one man.
02-04-2011, 12:17 AM #13
plasma_lemon
Climbing up the ladder
Originally posted by Truce View Post
I'll give you a penny.


Okay

PayPal balance: $9.41 USD

But you haven't yet

I charged someone $10 for perma admin and friend me and he sent as a payment so 59 cents was taken out :( and I'm too nice to charge more people
02-04-2011, 12:19 AM #14
The Open Minded
☮✌Peace Maker✌☮
Originally posted by lemon View Post
Okay

PayPal balance: $9.41 USD

But you haven't yet

I charged someone $10 for perma admin and friend me and he sent as a payment so 59 cents was taken out :( and I'm too nice to charge more people

That just confused the shizt out of me... lol
02-04-2011, 12:20 AM #15
iTruceFret
[move]From now on, call me DRAGON.[/move]
Originally posted by lemon View Post
Okay

PayPal balance: $9.41 USD

But you haven't yet

I charged someone $10 for perma admin and friend me and he sent as a payment so 59 cents was taken out :( and I'm too nice to charge more people


lol you REALLY have a PayPal account? I think my debit card has like, $4 on it or something. Until next Thursday, I charge by credit, angelface.
02-04-2011, 12:22 AM #16
plasma_lemon
Climbing up the ladder
Originally posted by Truce View Post
lol you REALLY have a PayPal account? I think my debit card has like, $4 on it or something. Until next Thursday, I charge by credit, angelface.


Yeah... Easier, and I'm not old enough for a credit card or something
02-04-2011, 12:23 AM #17
The Open Minded
☮✌Peace Maker✌☮
Originally posted by lemon View Post
Yeah... Easier, and I'm not old enough for a credit card or something

Same here.
02-04-2011, 12:25 AM #18
iTruceFret
[move]From now on, call me DRAGON.[/move]
Nonsense. A credit card will ruin everything possible. Stick with a debit card, know your debts, and all will be well. (Why are we spamming this thread? I forgot wtf it even was) {{Oh yeah...the same thing I've read several hundred times over and over again about Geohot}}
Last edited by iTruceFret ; 02-04-2011 at 12:27 AM. Reason: Reason for Editing? ....
02-04-2011, 12:27 AM #19
The Open Minded
☮✌Peace Maker✌☮
Originally posted by Truce View Post
Nonsense. A credit card will ruin everything possible. Stick with a debit card, know your debts, and all will be well. (Why are we spamming this thread? I forgot wtf it even was) {{Oh yeah...the same thing I've read several hundred times over and over again about Geohot}}

Lol I kinda forgot too.

OHHH YEAHHH. It's about Sony Vs. GeoHot

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