Post: Probation Penalty: How does Treyarch differentiate?
11-15-2012, 04:10 AM #1
Da_Pacifist
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1. Getting kicked from server
2. Losing connection to host
3. Losing connection to Xbox Live/PSN unintentionally (ie internet connection dying out?)
4. Xbox/PS3 freezing (ie hard freeze)


I'm not against the probation penalty in theory but it shouldn't be there if the servers can't differentiate? Besides, arguably, it still isn't going to stop people from rage quitting or dashboarding anyways. I don't play Halo but my brother tells me that on Halo Reach people rage quit and dashboard regardless despite the probation penalty Bungie implemented and 343 decided it wasn't worth it for Halo 4.

From what I'm told, the servers currently can't tell the difference and people on the PS3 (which is a mess right now) are getting probation from getting kicked, the PS3 hard freezing, losing connection, etc?

Also, what about people not wanting to stay in games they spawn into because

1. Extreme Lag
2. It is a spawn kill fest.
3. The match is almost over and they don't want free loss.

As far as I'm aware, in Black Ops (1), you received a loss for leaving a match you spawned into mid-match or chose not to spawn into and waited to get kicked from server. Even if you quit as you saw the match was not worth spawning into, you received loss even if you didn't spawn.

Do you get probation for quitting matches despite not dashboarding/signing out?


Last Question: How do you post on the official Cod forums? I couldn't for the life of me figure it out. This probation thing has me worried because I have pretty shit internet connection (the router is downstairs) and I'm upstairs and I tend to lose connection a lot and consistently get kicked from games and if the game doesn't differentiate between the two, I'll be screwed.
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11-15-2012, 05:02 AM #2
3HUNNA
Splicer
This is what I was thinking.
11-15-2012, 05:22 AM #3
Computer.
Little One
They don't.
11-15-2012, 06:32 AM #4
Da_Pacifist
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Originally posted by THE3DDUNK View Post
They don't.


That is a major issue then. I'm sorry to say this, especially since I liked what Treyarch did with Black Ops 1 (much better game than MW3 in my opinion and almost on par with MW2) but they should be ashamed if they implemented a probation penalty "punishment" system for rage quitters, dashboarders, etc. if the useless servers can't differentiate between intentional disconnects from quitters/dashboarders and server disconnect, host kicks, system freezes (one of which is currently their fault), lag, poor connection, etc.

The (let's say 15-20% which is a very high estimate; likely closer to 5%) of dashboarders leaving games to pad stats or just raging isn't a good enough reason to punish the 80-90% of players who occasionally face a few disconnects, host kicks, system freezes, poor connection, etc. every hour or so.

I've read too many threads on the primary forum for people getting undeserving probation penalties. The system is useless unless it can differentiate. I rather get kicked from a match and get a loss (1 every 7-8 matches or even 5-6 matches) than be forced to a face an undeserving probation even once in a day. I mean we already get free losses (at least in Black Ops 1) for spawning mid-match into crap fest matches. Now, we can probation penalties for quitting out of those crap-fest matches and a loss on top of it? This one top of the probation we get for matches that we get disconnected, kicked, unintentional connection loss, etc.

I mean Treyarch should have at least had the community vote on it with us having full knowledge that the useless servers wouldn't differentiate. Ever when the servers calm down in 1-2 weeks, we all know how reliable the useless Activision/Treyarch/Infinity Ward servers are.

Anyways, does anyone know how to post on the official COD forums? I would like to make my point to the admins there who have connections to the development team. Perhaps, they could patch the penalty to either allow the servers to differentiate (highly unlikely/not sure if possible) or just remove it altogether and improve it for future titles if they wish to implement it again.

They way it is currently set up is completely unfair. Especially, since apparently 3 disconnects, kicks, lost connections, freezes, etc. in 1 hour = 5 minute probation. Not sure if the probation times increase after each one but if they do, that's even worse.
11-15-2012, 07:29 AM #5
SuperGamecube64
ナンバー1任天堂ファン
They want us too suffer, so they're throwing out probations willy nilly.
11-15-2012, 09:30 AM #6
wardy
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Originally posted by Pacifist View Post
Not sure if the probation times increase after each one but if they do, that's even worse.


I had probation 3 times the other day and the time does increase, the second probation was definitely longer than the first and the game was back in it's case when I got the third so don't if it increased again. Also my win % sucks because of this, it's like 24% and that is bull s**t, out of all the games i have played to the end I have won at least 70% the rest I lost connection or kicked from servers.

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11-15-2012, 11:00 AM #7
Da_Pacifist
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Originally posted by gt
I had probation 3 times the other day and the time does increase, the second probation was definitely longer than the first and the game was back in it's case when I got the third so don't if it increased again. Also my win % sucks because of this, it's like 24% and that is bull s**t, out of all the games i have played to the end I have won at least 70% the rest I lost connection or kicked from servers.


This is fucking bullshit. So if get kicked from the servers over and over again or get consistent disconnects during a certain time period, I could potentially have like 5 hour probation periods because it doesn't reset and continues to add up?

I haven't even played the game yet but now I feel like I might hate it even if the gameplay is good because of bullshit probation periods for not even intentionally dashboading/signing out plus for when I leave a mid-match game I spawn into that is a lagfest, spawn kill show, etc.

Also, does anyone post on the official Cod forums? I want to post this exact same thread there. Because if probation times stack and continue to increase forever or even to 30 minutes, I might break my fucking disc in two pieces. Problem is I still can't figure out how to post there.
11-15-2012, 03:34 PM #8
ResistTheSun
In Flames Much?
Originally posted by Pacifist View Post
Between dashboarding/signing out vs.

1. Getting kicked from server
2. Losing connection to host
3. Losing connection to Xbox Live/PSN unintentionally (ie internet connection dying out?)
4. Xbox/PS3 freezing (ie hard freeze)


I'm not against the probation penalty in theory but it shouldn't be there if the servers can't differentiate? Besides, arguably, it still isn't going to stop people from rage quitting or dashboarding anyways. I don't play Halo but my brother tells me that on Halo Reach people rage quit and dashboard regardless despite the probation penalty Bungie implemented and 343 decided it wasn't worth it for Halo 4.

From what I'm told, the servers currently can't tell the difference and people on the PS3 (which is a mess right now) are getting probation from getting kicked, the PS3 hard freezing, losing connection, etc?

Also, what about people not wanting to stay in games they spawn into because

1. Extreme Lag
2. It is a spawn kill fest.
3. The match is almost over and they don't want free loss.

As far as I'm aware, in Black Ops (1), you received a loss for leaving a match you spawned into mid-match or chose not to spawn into and waited to get kicked from server. Even if you quit as you saw the match was not worth spawning into, you received loss even if you didn't spawn.

Do you get probation for quitting matches despite not dashboarding/signing out?


Last Question: How do you post on the official Cod forums? I couldn't for the life of me figure it out. This probation thing has me worried because I have pretty shit internet connection (the router is downstairs) and I'm upstairs and I tend to lose connection a lot and consistently get kicked from games and if the game doesn't differentiate between the two, I'll be screwed.


Quiting does not put you into the group. I test it later Smile (not sure 100%)
As for your connection a couple of things you can I send you a PM later on it.

Posting on the forums if you have a old account and no reply button you need to make a new account to post. It a bug which they know about.
11-15-2012, 03:53 PM #9
J-Glips
Bounty hunter
I got the message after manually signing out of the PS3, after you sign out, just load up Zombies/Campaign then load Multiplayer back up, then sign in. Got the message once, then been doing above, and haven't showed up for me. I couldn't stand getting in a game with a one bar. So I would quit til I found a good connection.

I think they "tell" from how fast you sign on and off. I could be wrong, but just stating what worked for me.
11-15-2012, 05:35 PM #10
amplif1er
Why are you reading this?
Originally posted by Pacifist View Post
Between dashboarding/signing out vs.

1. Getting kicked from server
2. Losing connection to host
3. Losing connection to Xbox Live/PSN unintentionally (ie internet connection dying out?)
4. Xbox/PS3 freezing (ie hard freeze)


I'm not against the probation penalty in theory but it shouldn't be there if the servers can't differentiate? Besides, arguably, it still isn't going to stop people from rage quitting or dashboarding anyways. I don't play Halo but my brother tells me that on Halo Reach people rage quit and dashboard regardless despite the probation penalty Bungie implemented and 343 decided it wasn't worth it for Halo 4.

From what I'm told, the servers currently can't tell the difference and people on the PS3 (which is a mess right now) are getting probation from getting kicked, the PS3 hard freezing, losing connection, etc?

Also, what about people not wanting to stay in games they spawn into because

1. Extreme Lag
2. It is a spawn kill fest.
3. The match is almost over and they don't want free loss.

As far as I'm aware, in Black Ops (1), you received a loss for leaving a match you spawned into mid-match or chose not to spawn into and waited to get kicked from server. Even if you quit as you saw the match was not worth spawning into, you received loss even if you didn't spawn.

Do you get probation for quitting matches despite not dashboarding/signing out?


Last Question: How do you post on the official Cod forums? I couldn't for the life of me figure it out. This probation thing has me worried because I have pretty shit internet connection (the router is downstairs) and I'm upstairs and I tend to lose connection a lot and consistently get kicked from games and if the game doesn't differentiate between the two, I'll be screwed.


Your whole post is invalid and pointless you clearly state you're not even sure how they detect and ban you. If you don't like getting thrown into a game almost over my suggestion would be to play with a party.

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