(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); ...because in reality, all companies have the ultimate goal to make money. Singling out Treyarch is not only unfair to them but undermines them for the effort and continual support they have put into this game despite being heavily criticized.

First of all, the introduction of additional camos have been extremely controversial, yet I don't see why Treyarch is taking shit for it. Its a brand new addition that has never been in titles prior, and more importantly does not add or take away experience/put a player at an advantage or disadvantage. It's simply an option for who are willing to or wanting to support the company. Think of it more like a donation as opposed to Treyarch forcing you into unwillingly feed them money.

Also, let's not ignore the fact that this game has received remarkable support. It's one of the most balanced CoDs, with more changes yet to come. If they were actual money whores, they would just put out their product, not give it any support and focus on a newer project where they can milk more money *cough*MW2*cough*

So what do you think? Is Treyarch getting too much backlash or is the criticism justified?

Wow! congrats! you named ONE thing out of the game that does not promote camping, did you forget the 3arc also took out shock charges, bettys, target finders aswell?

bettys and shock charges also encourage more activity and objective playing aswell, doesn't it?

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ummm, let me guess....hold one.....

YES, it is your fault that your so shit at the easiest FPS game of all time. It is YOUR fault that you have only been playing black ops 2 when there are 6-7 cods out already, it's not our fault your still shit at the game and cant even play without camping.

if this is your first call of duty you have no one to blame but yourself, idiot.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not on the band wagon saying they are money whores... That's a stupid term, there are very few people in this world who do not like money to some degree. And even fewer companies. And on rare occasion you have a company with CEO's who are not cashing in 50+ million dollar checks a year.

As a player who prefers to use Assault rifles I do feel that they have take a hit and are short-changed compared to SMGs.. And I should have been more precise in expressing my opinion, instead of just blurting something stupid out and walking away. I apologize, it is something I need to work on; especially if I am trying to become a better and active member on NGU.

A bit of my disagreement was due to the fact that you suggested that MW2 didn't have support. At a certain point in time it did have support, although it may have not been the best. I believe that there was a time when MW2 was close to being balanced. As for Black Ops 2, I feel that 3ARCH has tried and done very good. The maps have good flow and for the most part do not seem to have any negative aspects which I have personally noticed. They seem to be head on with the support for the game! As I had mentioned above I do feel that Assault rifles have taken a heavy hit; maybe that is the path it is going to take. I feel what is keeping me from considering the game to be the most balanced to date, is the continued use of rewind time lag compensation.

Thanks for the well written response. However, I must disagree with MW2 being balanced. While it was fun, I suspect that having to do with the fact that there was just so much brand new content that we have never seen before (pro perks, for example), more advanced killstreaks, etc., that just camouflaged the game's problems. For instance, the model 1887s were killing people from SMG range for months before it was fixed. MONTHS! That would not have happened with a company like Treyarch. And let's not forget, Noob-Toobs /OMA exists to this day.

I personally think BO2 is very balanced -- the reason why it is SMG dominant is because of the maps, and that too isn't really Treyarch's fault. Over the years, big maps have been reduced as more and more players want tiny hectic maps (the popularity of Nuketown, for example), and as a company you must cater to your consumers' wants. Naturally, ARs aren't going to be as effective as SMGs.

And yeah I agree with the lag comp part. Yet from my personal perspective I don't really see lag comp as a balance issue per se, but more of a general game issue since it's something everyone has to face (as opposed to people who don't want to use grenade launchers in MW2, for example).

But I do agree that they have shown some improvement in MW3, and that support is likely to continue.



Shock charges are easily seen, Bettys are easily dodgeable. The way I see it, its free points towards your next scorestreak. Target finders, while powerful does not directly promote camping. What are you going to do, lie prone looking down the sights into a doorway? And besides, Treyarch have already adjusted it and if more tweaking needs to be done I have full confidence that they will.

By the way you really shouldn't shit on people the way you do, just makes you look like an egotistical jerkoff that no one likes.

Oh, and I listed two things, not one, if you're going to be technical.

Ok, i was going to leave this post alone, but since you want to start disrespecting other peoples opinions i just cant keep my mouth shut now. So here we go..... As many of you have stated lag comp has really ruined the cod franchise. Just my opinion and heres why. Many people such as myself pride my gaming on the fact i spend my own money for the best internet in my area combined with the best router available which i flashed with dd-wrt to make it a "SUPER" router, ( porting,qos, static ip) as well as the best ps3 on the market. Now here comes the issue, people such as myself are picked as host most of the time bc of this and are lagged because of a better connection in order to rewind me to others whos connection cant keep up with mine. Your talking balance. So where is the balance in that? There is no balance everyones connection is different, distance from server"host" and so on. Im not going to write a whole article on lag comp. google it along with connection issues and so on its all over the internet. So to start you have already compromised the main reason of balance. Essentially isnt this what gives us balance. I mean we all can use any weapon, perk, lethal and so on.... So really you can noob toob, target find like everyone else. Isnt that balanced!? I can see if you could only have certain guns while i had others which were worse or better, then the balance would be gone. So what is really balance!? Everyone on the same level. Then dedicate servers bc we all have the same game and as long as we all play on the same connection then you will have your balance.

Now as far as the mw2 talk. Again my opinion, was the best cod. Now if your going to say you want realism then i can agree. Like you said about the models they were kinda rediculous. But isnt the word your looking for here REALISTIC!? Not balanced. Or balanced realistically. Bc again you could use the gun just the same as anyone else.

Mw2 maps covered a wide variety of range for weapon use from rust to derail. With that said....

Weapon balancing. You want maps designed by gun use maybe!? Small close quarters maps and shotgun/ smg!?
Bigger maps for ars/lmg/snipers. I can see asking for a broader range of map type. Like was stated ARs in bo2 are hard to use bc of map size and the run and gun mentality now. Its really become a hip fire fest. One point i would like to make is the ksg. Isnt that just the same as the models!? Im hean 1 hit kills from across the map. Believe me ive been head shot from one side of hijacked from the othe by this bs shotgun.

How about hit detection!? Anyone!? How is it you can aim down your sights headshotting and/or instant death shots to chest. Only to be killed by a sniper qs to the foot or smg hip spray n pray while the guy cant control his sensitivity lvl 13, swirling around everywhere but on you. I mean if anything is unbalanced hit detection would be right there next to lag. I cant tell you how many times ive stopped shooting someone bc i knew they had to be dead only to be turned on and killed. Maybe even knifed through a clip. I mean seriously.

Support is always there more so now as the franchise has grown to be the biggest ever. Its just a fact that as new games come out old ones recieve less attention. Hence all the hackers on mw2 these days. Each cod has their fair share of hackers, glitches and so forth. Sometimes things cant be foreseen in a beta it actually has to be played by the masses. Imo. Things take longer to figure out sometimes for patches/ balancing. As each game comes out their learning more and more what hackers/ glitchers are capable of in order to produce a better game. Im saying bo2 has had prestige glitching since the beggining and still does. Many console freezing issues and even more since the new update. Accounts being reset. Just search ngu/ internet there all over the place in bo2. The games been out 7 months and people are still begging for support.

I think what everyone is looking for is realism. More fluctuation in map sizes compared to weapon use. Dedicated servers so everyone playing at the same speed. Hit detection more realistic( ive headshot players over 3x standing in their face b4 ive got the kill).

Look the game is the game. Anyone can use any weapon. Lethal. Perks and so on so its balanced as far as whats available to you is available to me. You can want certain things adjusted to be more real. Incorporate more variety of weapon use by map and so on. The real issue is connection based servers/ hit detection. But really what comes into play here is battlefield. Bc it covers these issues along with more enviroment destruction. I think many like cod bc its more arcade like nba jam is to nba live. I like the cod gameplay better but id like to see the incorporation of battlefields enviroments, servers,map/gun/game mode variety/mix. And pls hit markers.

The topic here was money whores anyway so let me chime in. Activision is the one calling the shots not tryarch they just develope games how their company likes by design for activision. Dont get me wrong their all in it to make as much as they can by doing so how they want. I have to agree all these add-ons are adding up. Now camos and titles which beside a few camos the titles were all available in other cods free. I wont pay so i dont care but its kinda cheesy. Now maybe bc im 30 i see the franchise getting more mainstream and catering to the "KIDS" ( who by the way cant even buy the game w/o an adult) more with all this emblem. Camo. Theater. Fb. Twitter nonsense. Its moving more away from reality every year. Its just theres more kids who dont care and favor this stuff then not. Maybe one day battlefield/ cod will get into bed together and we will see a true classic. Or activision can spend time like ea(2yrs.). I personally would pay more for more guns. Maps. Dedicated servers. A better bigger overall gameplay. But right now its kinda money whoring asking for $$ to essentially add things to a game that you shoulda had their in the first place. But its really our own fault for enabling them by paying for it.

Now this is an opinion based thread so pls lets not start name calling people when you dont agree or like their opinions. Written from my iphone sorry if grammer and/spelling incorrect.

Why is it you are always jumping on peoples discussions within a thread!? You then insult us as a moderator telling us to act like adults even if we arent them. Seriously!? I would like to know where i deserved to be clustered in the act like an adult. Bc i was going to keep my mouth shut but after the disrespect of others opinions i had to give mine. I also asked to not start name calling if you dont agree with others opinions. Could you pls stop singling me out bc you and I dont get along. Thanks.

Season pass holders should get everything free..

This thread seems less about Teryarch not being money whores and more about you saying how Treyarch are great people and Infinity Ward are the devil. Being a business doesn't make being money whores any better. I could argue Infinity Ward's poor track record with post release support is because they are a business. Treyarch aren't thieves. They could be smart businessman that found ways to get extra money out of the consumer. Doesn't make it a bad thing, but also doesn't mean since they support their game they are entitled to charge. I would honestly be more on board with you if this didn't just feel like a glorified 3arc > IW thread lol.



You're calling people an idiot and saying they are shit at a game yet you're not smart enough to just use Tac Mask, Flak Jacket or Engineer to deal with shock charges and betties(which you can just go prone on to avoid)? Black Ops 2 does not promote camping just because a few things are available to aid in camping. Target Finder is purely for fucking noobs. However, an argument could be made that Target Finder helps you shoot in buildings to weed campers out. Shock Charges could be used to hold down objectives. Honestly if you've played as many CODs as you claim you'd know campers are easy to stop ESPECIALLY on BO2 since Ghost doesn't keep you off radar if you're camping, the maps are small and each room has multiple ways to flank or throw C4 in the window.

If the game is easy then why are you complaining at all? Just for the sake of doing so? Kill Confirmed, caputuring flags in Domination, using Ghost with Suppressor, C4 promote encourage moving. People shouldn't be forced to be rushers. Honestly when I play solo I get the bad teammates who think moving around the map quick scoping is rushing. Moving around the map doesn't make someone good, it's how effective they are at it. Just like sports games shouldn't force someone to pick weaker teams online. Good players will usually own poorer players. So if a camper goes 40-2, obviously the enemy wasn't very good. If a rusher goes 3-20, then obviously he just sucks. I think being aggressive is the way to play and if you're good at that and get a decent connection in BO2 you will own people playing tht way. Even Target Finder noobs trying to headglitch down a damn hallway.

Camping is such an overrated complaint because there are plenty of little bitches camping in rooms who go negative and get owned by good rushers. There are also plenty of rushers who have terrible reflexes, use the wrong weapons in the wrong situations, literally stare at their mini map and can't deal with campers. If you're good you will be good regardless of what others do. CApturing objectives and being aggressive is the best way to play BO2, but that doesn't mean every person is gonna do that or even be a BO2. MW2 is my favorite COD but that game rewarded camping way more than BO2 does. BO2 rewards objective killwhoress more than anything. I always have on my Tac Mask class and play with friends to avoid playing with slow paced campers and also terrible rushers who run aimlessly with poor reflexes just giving the enemy killstreaks.



The game is balanced. SMGs are the dominant class but this is the first COD game where this is the case. Assault Rifles have historically been the dominate class in every other COD game. MW3 was pretty close since you could beast with SMGs pretty much like you could with AR. Everything in Black Ops 2 has a counter for the most part. It's a very balanced game at it's core. How people play the game is a different story. I have a B flag class that has Flak Jacket, Hard Wired, and Tac Mask. It's annoying as shit having to deal with people literally just chucking nades and shock charges and stuns but technically I can counter it. I feel you though but BO2 is pretty balanced as far as COD games go. I'd argue the most balanced.

Although balance doesn't make a game good or bad in my opinion, balanced is usually just a term players use as an excuse. People complaining about camping is honestly the reasons SMGs are so good. They made the maps smaller, and objectives more rewarding to promote movement. A bitchy community is why the game is the way it is. And we're still not happy sadly lol. How useless knifing can be is an example, I'd imagine that was to deal with panic knife aka enemy as quicker reflexes complaints. They tried to appease quick scopers and shotgun guys too. The connections on the game is truly the biggest flaw. The game is pretty balanced otherwise and dealing with campers in this game is as easy as COD gets. Also there are no death streaks and Support Strike package so I am praise the Lawd for that lmao.