Post: the ak74u ITSELF is not overpowered
01-04-2011, 10:18 AM #1
PhantomRenegade
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the AK74u in call of duty black ops represents the gun in real life called the AKS74U (they mistyped it).

the AKS74U is a shortened version of the AK74 (a newer and replacement model of the AK47)

they took the AK74 and shortened its barrel and made the stock into a slightly smaller metal version. the purpose was to make the Assault rifle a little more smaller for easier use in suburban missions.

think about it like a shotgun, if you saw off the end of its barrel you make it smaller but it does not become a pistol now, it still will blast your stomach open and it is still a shotgun.

SO in Black ops all the SMG's are balanced BUT the AK74U is misplaced into that section, giving it more fire power, bigger clip then most of them, great iron sights, and the mobility it should not have. if that was not bad enough, it gave it two attachments which make it over powered. the grip is a very uncommon used attachments on AK weaponry in real life, but used in the game give it very little recoil, which knowning from experience in shooting an AK47, is less recoil shown then it should. Yes giving a grip to it in real life will reduce sway and recoil BUT not close to the amount it is shown in the game. also the rapid fire attachment doesn't exist in real life for the AK74U. which makes the gun shoot 1000RPM which is higher then any other assault riffle.

also an attempt to make the AK74u look more like an smg, black ops removed the stock from the weapon. here is a picture of an AKS74U looking how it should look.

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finally, if treyarch wants to call their game a "balanced" cod game. all they have to do is make a simple change. remove the grip and rapid fire attachment from the AK74U, place it with the Assault rifles and give it the proper mobility that it should get as an Assault rifle. and if possible but highly unlikely since i don't think you can do this with a patch, give it a flamethrower and masterkey attachment in replacement seeing how it is an assault rifle and has the capability for underbarel attachments (note the grenade launcher attachment, proving my point further that it isnt an SMG, seeing how no other gun in the smg class has underbarrel attachments)

by doing that smg class will be balanced and you will see more people use other smg's while having the AK74u in its rightful place with its rightful and balanced attributes.

ps. the difference between the smg class and AR class is that AR's are overall better weapons in range and strength and sometimes accuracy then smgs.
but smgs are givin 4 perks, yes thats right 4 perks.

if i have an AR class with perk 1 as lightweight i get the mobility of an smg class with perk 1 set to anything other then lightweight.

so basically the perk system on a smg class in comparison to an AR class is:
Perk1,Perk2,Perk3 (and hidden extra perk4 which is set to lightweight)

so if you understand what im getting at, and want to try the AK74U in the solution i propose, go to offline LAN game, add computer bots, set ur primary as AK74U (attachments can be anything but grip and/or rapid fire), secondary doesnt matter, equipment and stuff doesnt matter, perk1 should be disabled (which makes it= to the AK74u in the assault rifle class with perk1 set to lightweight) perk 2 can be anything and perk 3 can be anything. play a match and you will notice that it isn't as effective like it you used but still a great gun and is actually balanced and can not be complained in this form (the form it should have been in)

edit: here is a vid of someone shooting an AKS74 with grip. notice the recoil
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and here is an AKS74U being shot, again notice the recoil (so if you apply the first video to this, putting a grip on it doesn't make it close to what it is like in black ops)
also don't use the excuse "hurr durr shes a women and doesn't have strength and know how to shoot" because her form is excellent and she does look like she knows how

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01-04-2011, 08:23 PM #11
PhantomRenegade
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Originally posted by jackster802 View Post
Based on how a real gun works your wrong about it being as powerful as the AK74. By shortening the barrel and using the same ammunition, you get less muzzle velocity because not all gas in the cartridge is used up. So it is not in fact as powerful as the assault rifle variant.

Sorry to prove you wrong.


within a 40 meter distance, there isnt a significant diference. the bullet will still rip you up. and the case that im making is that it is NOT an smg, but an Assault rifle and it gets overpowered due to having the mobility of an smg, a grip which gives it a lot less sway and recoil then its suppose to and a rapid fire mechanism which causes it to shoot faster then any of the assault rifles.

by putting it within the assault rifles, and removing the grip and rapid fire, you get the version of the AK74u that it should be.

Originally posted by Waiz View Post
This is just a game, but based in your "real life" opinion the weapon its weak. Most of them will kill you with 1 or 2 shots in "real life"


the case that im making is not that "the gun in real life kills people in one shot hurr durr" because we are well aware the damage system is based on a videogame balance. im saying that it is an assault rifle in real life and not on smg and that it is wrongfully placed in the smg class (like if they put the Mac11 as an assault rifle it would be wrong), which causes it to be overpowered because it received mobility of an smg while being an assault rifle, then the grip gives it less recoil then it should have even with a grip, and the rapid fire is given to it because treyarch wants it to be perceived as an smg so that makes it even more over powered seeing how with rapid fire it shoots at 1000rpm, which is more then the famas(937rpm) which shoots the fastest as an assault rifle. its simple to understand.

Originally posted by TiTANiUM View Post
you do know that this game is ment to be in 1960-1970 so ovo the guns are different from the modern versions like the AK74u, the picture of it up there is a modern version and the one in black crap ops is an old one


oh and black ops sucks d/ck


you obviously don't know how AK weaponry works. when an AK model gun is made, it stays in that original form during manufacturing. the AK47 was invented in 1947 (the number stands for the year it was first manufactured) and still is manufactured in its original form since 1947. when they make a new model as you say, they don't upgrade it and still call it what it is, they give it a whole new name. so when the AK74 was made in, yes you guessed it 1974, it was not a whole new gun, but just a tweaked and new model of its predecessor the AK47, and so on with the AK101,102,103 etc. so your claim that the AKs74u which is featured in black ops is a totally different gun then the one i show in the picture is false.

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01-04-2011, 08:49 PM #12
ikliiu
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Originally posted by Tali View Post
within a 40 meter distance, there isnt a significant diference. the bullet will still rip you up. and the case that im making is that it is NOT an smg, but an Assault rifle and it gets overpowered due to having the mobility of an smg, a grip which gives it a lot less sway and recoil then its suppose to and a rapid fire mechanism which causes it to shoot faster then any of the assault rifles.

by putting it within the assault rifles, and removing the grip and rapid fire, you get the version of the AK74u that it should be.


Note that there is not actually a AK-74U in real life. There is a AKS-74U, a carbine version of the AK74. The AKS74U is significantly smaller giving it submachine gun attributes, but the ammunition of assault rifles. Treyarch actually represented the gun pretty accurately due to the fact that is has less damage at range than a full length assault rifle becuase of the AKS74U's shorter barrel. Technically, the G36C can be exactly treated the same way as the AKS74U.
01-04-2011, 08:54 PM #13
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Originally posted by ikliiu View Post
Note that there is not actually a AK-74U in real life. There is a AKS-74U, a carbine version of the AK74. The AKS74U is significantly smaller giving it submachine gun attributes, but the ammunition of assault rifles. Treyarch actually represented the gun pretty accurately due to the fact that is has less damage at range than a full length assault rifle becuase of the AKS74U's shorter barrel. Technically, the G36C can be exactly treated the same way as the AKS74U.


as i stated in my original post if you did not read. and calling it an smg is a stretch, the best thing you could say is that its a hybrid. also saying that it has smg attributes is BS, what is one thing you notice about the smgs other then the ak74u? that you can conceal every other one within you pocket,waistband but you couldnt with that. and saying that treyarch did an accurate job is BS because if they did then it wouldnt stick out like a swore thumb in the smg class.

and why did they remove the stock?

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01-04-2011, 09:10 PM #14
Mr. DarkKV
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In MY OPINION the Famas with its extreme fire rate is more powerful... But I still use the AK47 more than any gun Smile
01-04-2011, 09:16 PM #15
PhantomRenegade
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Originally posted by The
In MY OPINION the Famas with its extreme fire rate is more powerful... But I still use the AK47 more than any gun Smile


yea famas imo needs more recoil because its fire speed is ridiculous and it is much stronger in range then the ak74u. like what somepeople don't realize who use the aug, is that the famas has less recoil then the aug so the aug is pretty much usless with the famas (unless u like its cool acog) but i like seeing people use it instead.
01-05-2011, 12:39 AM #16
ikliiu
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Originally posted by Tali View Post
also saying that it has smg attributes is BS, what is one thing you notice about the smgs other then the ak74u? that you can conceal every other one within you pocket,waistband but you couldnt with that.


Its size when the stock is folded is rather compact, roughly the same size of a MP5A5 variant with its stock collapsed. Uzis are smaller than an AKS74U only by rough 2 cm.

Originally posted by another user
and saying that treyarch did an accurate job is BS because if they did then it wouldnt stick out like a swore thumb in the smg class


They did an accurate job on the gun based on real life statistics, but not on the other guns; that's why it stands out so much. Remember the Vector from MW2? That guy was way underpowered compared to the real life stats. It shoots ..45 ACP, yet the MP5K had more damage even though it shot a 9 mm.
Originally posted by another user
and why did they remove the stock?


I'm guessing its just folded and concealed.

But in the end, it is only a video game and the developers are not going to be exactly correct with the gun's real life stats, as that causes inbalance.
01-05-2011, 07:59 AM #17
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Originally posted by ikliiu View Post
Its size when the stock is folded is rather compact, roughly the same size of a MP5A5 variant with its stock collapsed. Uzis are smaller than an AKS74U only by rough 2 cm.



They did an accurate job on the gun based on real life statistics, but not on the other guns; that's why it stands out so much. Remember the Vector from MW2? That guy was way underpowered compared to the real life stats. It shoots ..45 ACP, yet the MP5K had more damage even though it shot a 9 mm.


I'm guessing its just folded and concealed.

But in the end, it is only a video game and the developers are not going to be exactly correct with the gun's real life stats, as that causes inbalance.


again you are using the argument of the gun without the stock, but you are well aware the if you look at it from all angles there isnt one at all on it in the game, they didnt conceal it. and why would they remove it if it makes the gun much better then without it. you know they removed it to make it look more like an smg. also it is okay if you use the gun and are trying to defend it, i use it to but be real here you know it is overpowered and not "normal just the other smg are shit" because if they make it an assault rifle then all the smgs would become more used.
01-05-2011, 11:37 AM #18
Battler624
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LOL its a game like for example the sniper rifle
i heard that the L96 known as AWP in other games have a 0.3 caliber thats enough to slice a man into two pieces so its basically a one hit kill but no you can hardly get a one hit kill ffs
before saying anything to the smgs , AR , LMG's and shotguns remember that they nerfed the sniper atleast the L96 aka AWP
01-05-2011, 01:30 PM #19
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Originally posted by Battler624 View Post
LOL its a game like for example the sniper rifle
i heard that the L96 known as AWP in other games have a 0.3 caliber thats enough to slice a man into two pieces so its basically a one hit kill but no you can hardly get a one hit kill ffs
before saying anything to the smgs , AR , LMG's and shotguns remember that they nerfed the sniper atleast the L96 aka AWP


you need to read clearer. im not disputing its power because if they gave real life power, it wouldnt be fun, everyone would die after one shot or have their arms/legs blown off and knives wouldnt kill in one hit. im saying that its an assault rifle placed in the smg class. geez people can't read Facepalm

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