Post: Juggernaut or Painkiller? which is worse?
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06-26-2010, 01:05 PM
#1
oldage
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So I've been playing tons of CoD4 again and I must say, I met loads of juggernaut people, but not ONCE I was raging at it.
Painkiller on the other hand, can make me throw my controller to my TV. It has stopped me from reaching nukes and the likes... and it's just SO annoying when you're about to shoot someone, he has painkiller and you have to use whole clip, and you get killed during the reload.
Painkiller get's my vote for being worse, WAY worse.
what about you?
06-27-2010, 09:05 PM
#20
xXHardyKingXx
Sly Cooper 4 coming soon!
Originally posted by Tuxedo
You guys are funny. Only one person took into account that Juggernaut lasts for the entire match, while painkiller only lasts 10 seconds. So lets take a look at that in perspective:
Say a player's average life is 1 minute. That's 60 seconds.
With painkiller, the number of shots needed to kill somebody is multiplied by about 2.5 (if the gun does 30 damage which is the average in MW2 then it kills in 4 bullets with the standard 100 damage. If the damage is divided by three then the gun deals 10 damage. That's 10 shots to kill. 10/4 = 2.5)
With juggernaut, the number of bullets needed to kill usually increases by 1. That's a 1.33% increase.
The chances of running into the person with Painkiller while it's active in a 1 minute life is 16.6%. The chances of running into a person using Juggernaut while it's active are 100%, no matter what the lifespan.
2.50% - 1.33% = 1.17%
100% - 16.6% = 83.4%
83.4% > 1.17%
Point is, although it takes a few more bullets to kill somebody with painkiller, it's way over compensated by the fact that your chances of running into somebody using painkiller are 6 times smaller than those of running into a Juggernaut.
By the way, I use both.
1,000th post FTW.
Say a player's average life is 1 minute. That's 60 seconds.
With painkiller, the number of shots needed to kill somebody is multiplied by about 2.5 (if the gun does 30 damage which is the average in MW2 then it kills in 4 bullets with the standard 100 damage. If the damage is divided by three then the gun deals 10 damage. That's 10 shots to kill. 10/4 = 2.5)
With juggernaut, the number of bullets needed to kill usually increases by 1. That's a 1.33% increase.
The chances of running into the person with Painkiller while it's active in a 1 minute life is 16.6%. The chances of running into a person using Juggernaut while it's active are 100%, no matter what the lifespan.
2.50% - 1.33% = 1.17%
100% - 16.6% = 83.4%
83.4% > 1.17%
Point is, although it takes a few more bullets to kill somebody with painkiller, it's way over compensated by the fact that your chances of running into somebody using painkiller are 6 times smaller than those of running into a Juggernaut.
By the way, I use both.
1,000th post FTW.
I appreciate that you took the time to actually throw math into this, but what throws those numbers off is the fact that it is significantly easier to spawn camp in MW2 than it is in COD4. Because of this, the chance of running into Painkiller increases dramatically.
My personal opinion is that Painkiller is completely unrealistic. I've even seen a Predator Missile hitmarker a guy with Painkiller up. (granted, he had the blast shield, but really? It's a freaking missile coming down on your head, I would love to meet anyone irl that has survived one)
06-27-2010, 09:45 PM
#21
Saint Jimmy
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Originally posted by xXHardyKingXx
I appreciate that you took the time to actually throw math into this, but what throws those numbers off is the fact that it is significantly easier to spawn camp in MW2 than it is in COD4. Because of this, the chance of running into Painkiller increases dramatically.
My personal opinion is that Painkiller is completely unrealistic. I've even seen a Predator Missile hitmarker a guy with Painkiller up. (granted, he had the blast shield, but really? It's a freaking missile coming down on your head, I would love to meet anyone irl that has survived one)
My personal opinion is that Painkiller is completely unrealistic. I've even seen a Predator Missile hitmarker a guy with Painkiller up. (granted, he had the blast shield, but really? It's a freaking missile coming down on your head, I would love to meet anyone irl that has survived one)
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I guess my point is that Painkiller statistically doesn't harm your game play any more than Juggernaut did. But even though you run into Juggernaut a lot more, Painkiller just feels worse because on the few occasions you do run into it, It is much worse and therefore you think: "I never can kill people using Painkiller. I can usually kill people using Juggernaut. Painkiller = Worse."
It's like if one in five grenade launcher users used Danger Close, and the other four didn't. Even though the guy with Danger Close will make you a lot angrier because every time you see him he'll seem to kill you with a grenade that didn't land anywhere near you, you'll probably get killed by the normal grenade launchers more overall.
Either way, you'll still feel like the Danger Close guy is worse.
06-28-2010, 06:53 PM
#25
DiXiEnOrMoUz28
A.K.A Daboss1288
deathstreaks=FAIL whats the point of any of them they are a waste and painkiller just screws everyone over b/c it seems like you run into the idiot that has it right before a good killstreak
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well what i want to know in MW2 there is no jugg so what balances out stopping power i have been trying to figure this out can anyone tell me
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Originally posted by h
painkiller gives u triple health.
jugg makes u survive 1 extra bullet and just balances out stopping power.
painkiller rewards people for dying.
jugg is balanced, painkiller isnt.
painkiller WAAAAAAAY worse
jugg makes u survive 1 extra bullet and just balances out stopping power.
painkiller rewards people for dying.
jugg is balanced, painkiller isnt.
painkiller WAAAAAAAY worse
well what i want to know in MW2 there is no jugg so what balances out stopping power i have been trying to figure this out can anyone tell me
06-28-2010, 07:00 PM
#26
Ameht!
Dark Knight
Originally posted by oldage
no similar thread was found and i'm kinda curious for this.
So i've been playing tons of cod4 again and i must say, i met loads of juggernaut people, but not once i was raging at it.
Painkiller on the other hand, can make me throw my controller to my tv. It has stopped me from reaching nukes and the likes... And it's just so annoying when you're about to shoot someone, he has painkiller and you have to use whole clip, and you get killed during the reload.
Painkiller get's my vote for being worse, way worse.
What about you?
So i've been playing tons of cod4 again and i must say, i met loads of juggernaut people, but not once i was raging at it.
Painkiller on the other hand, can make me throw my controller to my tv. It has stopped me from reaching nukes and the likes... And it's just so annoying when you're about to shoot someone, he has painkiller and you have to use whole clip, and you get killed during the reload.
Painkiller get's my vote for being worse, way worse.
What about you?
i feel 100 percent. I dont even have nothing to say because you said it all. Entire clip with stopping power.
06-29-2010, 02:36 AM
#28
dead_eye27
Little One
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