Post: Why are secondaries in the game?
01-22-2012, 09:00 PM #1
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01-24-2012, 01:38 AM #29
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Originally posted by hitman2120 View Post
Removing machine pistols from secondaries would have no consequences; it would only result in good things. Given that SoH pro lets your swap weapons faster and Overkill lets you have two primaries one would think there would be more people using such a setup. But whats the point when the akimbo'd secondaries already do the job better? They are essentially making Overkill completely useless. No one is asking IW to remove the knife but rather fix it from its ridiculous broken state. The killstreaks are fine for the most part, however they most certainly need to remove support in its entirety. There's a reason why even to this day CoD4 is hailed as the best CoD to date; sometimes simplicity is the best.

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Do us all a favor and don't ever do such a thing. I recall you saying your first CoD was MW2 and that is clearly showing.


Maybe because I realize WE ALL HAVE THE SAME WEAPONS. It's not like only your enemy can use machine pistols and you can't. You also even mentioned Overkill which allows you to choose two primaries. More importantly you can pick up guns off the ground. You complain about a guy have a machine pistol but would you rather him start off with a Striker with ext mags AND he picked up a Type 95 for long range battles. I use MP9 backup but the second I see a gun on the ground I pick it.

MW2 was only hurt by noobtubing and commando perk and to some extent death streaks. MW2 shits on COD4 in fun factor.

COD4 is hailed on high regard more for nostalgia and having 3 annoying things people bitched about as opposed to 6 or more things to bitch about now. Most COD players can't appreciate great games like COD4 or Battlefile because they're too busy overrating the game because they're bitter of the latest COd game. If Black Ops 2 has too many issues. Then the,"MW3 was great" guys will come out.

I can tell what type of player you probably are complaiining about petty things like a knife or secondary weapons. Pick up a PP90M1,MP7 and run around and rape. I don't look for things that are "too powerful", I'd rather try and outplay my opponents instead of catering a game to what I like.
01-24-2012, 02:08 AM #30
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Originally posted by TheBigRod View Post
I only see BS here,When we were playing CoD4, everyone wanted new guns, new maps, new game modes, new perks.Now we have it, why complain about the game now?. Would you like to same game every year? if they kept handguns as secondaries in MW2, MW3 and possible future MW's,I seen people whom want 3 Killstreaks as CoD4 isn't to call a AC130 or OSPRAY GUNNER? Remove knife? Hmmm i don't see anything bad about it.Now you want secondaries to be removed? Ok let's say IW listened to you.1. They removed all killstreaks beside CoD4's ones (3, 5 & 7)2. They removed the knife 3. They removed secondariesDo you see yourself playing like this?


I personally wouldn't mind that. Bringing the game back to pure gun skills would be fun. Not as a whole game, but as a game mode like bare bones in black ops.

I think Mw3 would benefit from certain playlists. A sniper playlist, a "nostalgia" barebones type playlist, and a few other alternate playlists would be nice. This would keep some people from complaining, as they could play against people with similar playstyles, rather than playing with people they consider to be annoying.
01-24-2012, 06:50 AM #31
hitman2120
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Originally posted by Justice View Post
Maybe because I realize WE ALL HAVE THE SAME WEAPONS. It's not like only your enemy can use machine pistols and you can't. You also even mentioned Overkill which allows you to choose two primaries. More importantly you can pick up guns off the ground. You complain about a guy have a machine pistol but would you rather him start off with a Striker with ext mags AND he picked up a Type 95 for long range battles. I use MP9 backup but the second I see a gun on the ground I pick it.

MW2 was only hurt by noobtubing and commando perk and to some extent death streaks. MW2 shits on COD4 in fun factor.

COD4 is hailed on high regard more for nostalgia and having 3 annoying things people bitched about as opposed to 6 or more things to bitch about now. Most COD players can't appreciate great games like COD4 or Battlefile because they're too busy overrating the game because they're bitter of the latest COd game. If Black Ops 2 has too many issues. Then the,"MW3 was great" guys will come out.

I can tell what type of player you probably are complaiining about petty things like a knife or secondary weapons. Pick up a PP90M1,MP7 and run around and rape. I don't look for things that are "too powerful", I'd rather try and outplay my opponents instead of catering a game to what I like.


I already addressed this in the other thread,this if you can't beat them join them ideology. The problem is you can't beat them. Overkill is balanced in the sense that there are just as many good tier 2 perks so your point in flawed. Noob-tubing has destroyed MW2 far worse than any one thing could have ever had and yet all it took was a simple fix for them to do it. Hell, if tubes followed the same formula as in CoD4, OMA wouldn't have even been an issue. How can even you even argue that MW2 is better when you haven't even played the game in its prime. Playing it during its peak is entirely different than going back to it long after a majority of its population moved onto its sequel.

CoD4 is held in high regard because it was close to perfection. Contrary to popular belief, the trinity of juggernaut, stopping power and rapid fire created an incredibly balanced system. Looking back the only thing I would personally change is 3 frags which would have mended had they added flak jacket as a perk. Personally I hold Black OPs in just a high regard as CoD4 because unlike IW, Treyarch actually delivered a CoD that featured true gun on gun action. I would say the killstreak system was damn near perfectly balanced. Then the fact that they removed the incredibly retarded deathstreaks, its as pure as a CoD experience as CoD1 or CoD2. Alas people hate on Treyarch without any real reason and so the butthurt IW dick riders blacklisted it without giving it a real shot.

I have high hopes for Black Ops 2 because Treyarch has continually shown support for the older players by providing an experience that isn't just noob friendly. Normally I would say it's their vision so they can do with as they please but the vast majority of people in IW right now are nothing but a bunch of washed up leeches with no ideas of their own. My only reprieve is knowing in a couple of years time CoD will be completely ran into the ground and these so-called talented developers will be jobless. Am I bitter? Most definitely but they deserve it for destroying what was once my favorite series by listening to people such as yourself who think they have the experience to dictate what constitutes as good or bad after a mere two years with the franchise.

PS Here's a sample screenshot of the "type" of player I am. But you already knew that right?
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Please refrain from ever posting about balance again you have not the slightest clue.

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01-24-2012, 07:17 AM #32
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Originally posted by hitman2120 View Post
I already addressed this in the other thread,this if you can't beat them join them ideology. The problem is you can't beat them. Overkill is balanced in the sense that there are just as many good tier 2 perks so your point in flawed. Noob-tubing has destroyed MW2 far worse than any one thing could have ever had and yet all it took was a simple fix for them to do it. Hell, if tubes followed the same formula as in CoD4, OMA wouldn't have even been an issue. How can even you even argue that MW2 is better when you haven't even played the game in its prime. Playing it during its peak is entirely different than going back to it long after a majority of its population moved onto its sequel.

CoD4 is held in high regard because it was close to perfection. Contrary to popular belief, the trinity of juggernaut, stopping power and rapid fire created an incredibly balanced system. Looking back the only thing I would personally change is 3 frags which would have mended had they added flak jacket as a perk. Personally I hold Black OPs in just a high regard as CoD4 because unlike IW, Treyarch actually delivered a CoD that featured true gun on gun action.


Hahahaha. Nice try. You will NEVER,EVER hear me talk about "balance". I don't care about balance in the slightest. I don't give a shit if a game features a FAMAS and MP40 and the rest of the guns are F2000 amd vector. I don't give two shits about that. So I haven't ever nor will I post about caring about balance. Instead of worrying and rying about how powerful I find something to be because it killed me, I would rather figure out a way to even the playing fied rather that's by soundwhoring, a better connection,playing in a party or worst case using the overpowered weapon to compete.

This isn't if you can't beat em, join em. It's the Adjust to your opponent,not force your opponent to adjust to you or a online gaming isn't for everyone so use it as motiviation to compete and overcome the odds or stay offline mentality. I didn't see combat noobtubes with noobtubes,or combat Support with Support. Simply,we all have a knife and the same secondary. MP9, G18 and 2 of the pistols are good secondaries. So why not beast with those to show the Akmibo FMGusers who's boss? I know because it's easier to want to dumb down a game to benefit you as opposed to accepting a challenge. It's a secondary, not danger close and oma...


Oh and I actually really liked BO because if you were good or had a party you'd dominate. There was no way the enemy could get a killstreak over 5. Blackbirds, Dogs and Helis helped you dominate more which sucks only if you're the enemy. Again, I'm the type who prefers to be the one dominating instead of having the nerve to say something is "too powerful" but that's just me. I also played COD4 before MW2. Thing is, I was literally a noob but COD4 got me hooked. I had 2 days on COD4 and 20 on MW2. So it's easier for me to not look at COD4 with rose colored glasses because I feel MW2 was better regardless and I was actually better at COD4. The simplicity made it somewhat easier for me,which is another reason people overrate an already great game. New COD arre noob friendly but in no way does that mean good players won't still dominate.

It's one thing to wish a game was closer to it's roots however, you can't become that cliche of hating something because it goes big time. COD had to grow, and within a few years it'll be shit. By then the PS4 and 720 will be out and we'll buy the new COD and have these same debates... Assuming that's your honest Elite then not only is that the best I have ever seen but it shows how people like to nitpick for the sake of arguing.
01-24-2012, 08:17 AM #33
hitman2120
Do a barrel roll!
Adjusting to my opponent is hardly the problem at hand. Granted there are a lot of players who just yell nerf when anything kills them, I am not one of those players.
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I'm not one to brag but as you can see my stats are perfectly fine and I am proud of them. When I first started I was awful and I knew I awful but never once did I feel that I needed some kind of advantage or helping hand to overcome the people owning me. Instead I stuck it through and got better, adjusted if you will. Ever since CoD4, 2.55 has been my lowest k/d with it being as high as 3.51 in MW2. As you can see by the screenshots I don't just use whatever is easy and I will go negative just to win. However now everyone has a sense of entitlement and that is what is corrupting this franchise. You might argue this is just secondaries but I guarantee this is the stepping stone for something more obscene.

It is truly pathetic when games such as Demon Souls and Dark Souls are heralded as being punishing when just a mere 5 years ago they were the normality. I blame this new generation of gamers who cry about tryhards and only want to QS but that's another story.

I don't hate CoD for hitting the jackpot. On the contrary I was happy to see them break entertainment sales records with the launch of MW2 because I knew I was there from them since the beginning. If I was a hipster fag who only cared about how "underground" something was I wouldn't even have my Metallica avatar because according to many they sold out and are not worthy of being liked...but I digress. But its despicable to see what a once great series of shooters leave such a bad taste in my mouth. The only reason I even get on is because I've been playing with the same people for years now and it's just a blast to spend time with them. I only hope that CoD isn't dead before the next gen or that they even manage to hold my interest. I've evaded the honeymoon period entirely with the launch of MW3 and instead saw its flaws. I see myself going back into pc gaming with the launch of Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2 and Starcraft 2: Heart of the Swarm on the horizon.
01-24-2012, 09:26 PM #34
You both make some good points. I think the elite players in MW3 are wanting things to be changed because it is way too easy for a new guy to come in and **** up a game for you, not dominate you. Being an elite player you will not get dominated but when a streak ends due to dead man's hands or final stand or akimbo FMG9's you can't help but get upset because those things should not even be in the game. BO had balance right and balance is very important to make a great game. To just pick up the game and play it without thinking of the balance probably means you're going to use what everyone else is using because it worked or killed you so much. If you like a gun or a perk it should be almost a even trade off for someone else who chooses to use domething else. In COD4 it was balanced in MW2 stopping power and cold blooded balanced out. In BO the blackbird and CUAV balanced ghost along with explosive damage. As far as the guns when people thought the Famas was OP in BO they patched it, other guns such as the Galil were just as good to me anyway. The M14 in BO was a high damage weapon but not just anybody could use it because of its recoil even though it was unlocked early. In MW3 the Type-95 doesn't need stopping power to be a 1burst kill weapon and the MK14 has no recoil really and it's a 2 shot kill which anybody could use. So balance is very important and it keeps everyone from using the strongest things in the game and everyone playing monkey see monkey do. Assassin Pro has no set back so every one uses it and most people hide it's just all out of balance.

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