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As of February 3rd, 2012 a patch was released for the PS3. More info here You must login or register to view this content.

I will be talking about shotguns however. The extended mags glitch has been patched. This really isn't a "nerf", it's a patch for removing the glitch. The Striker retained its 6 pellets, the Spas has retained its 8 pellets, the AA12 has retained its 8 pellets, and the Models still have 8 pellets. However, the KSG 12 and the USAS 12 did get buffed to 9 pellets like the earlier hotfix but removed because the extended mags was still present, making these unbelievably overpowered. It's back now, but now with the extended mags glitch patched. Those aren't the only buffs though. The Models and the Spas have received a damage buff. The Spas does 35 damage and the Models, 40 damage and yes, those are without proficiencies. With the damage proficiency, the Spas still kills in 3 pellets with 49 damage each pellet (Why not 50? FFFF), and the Models kill in 2 pellets with 56 damage each pellet (Up to a range of 386 units). Striker users will still be out there and this patch won't remove them. The Striker is still powerful.

For those that don't like to read..

Red = With damage proficiency on.
Regular health is 100. 30 for hardcore. You do the math.

USAS 12	KSG 12	SPAS 12	AA-12	Striker	Model 1887
25-5 35-7	28-15 39.2-21	35-5 49-7	15-5 21-7	25-15 35-21	40-20 56-28
9 pellets	9 pellets	8 pellets	8 pellets	6 pellets	8 pellets

Discussion about the Spas 12 and why Range is better than Damage.
I looked into the ranges. With range, the Spas will 1HK at a range of 521 units, with damage, 512 units. Barely a difference. But, look at this chart.

One shot kills, by # of pellets, starting at 3 to 8 (Top to bottom).
[table=width: 500, class: outer_border, align: left]
[tr]
[td]Range[/td]
[td]Damage[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]521[/td]
[td]512[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]625[/td]
[td]571[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]688[/td]
[td]607[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]729[/td]
[td]631[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]759[/td]
[td]648[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]781[/td]
[td]661[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Thanks, but do you have a source for the damage increases? I don't wanna go around embarrassing myself with the Model :lol:

In your opinion and others which is the best shotgun now to use?

Oh great. Now they'll be more bums running around trying to rank up shotguns spraying mindlessly and even though they're going negative,they'll get Support streaks regardless.

I might bust out a Spas 12 class and try and get some triple killfeeds. With akimbo G18s or Akimbo FMGs :carling:

It might just be me, but damn some of the shotguns feel weaker. I know they were buffed but I was so used to the damage+extended mag editions that now I can clearly tell they're not as strong as before (& no I'm not talking about the Striker because I don't really care for that gun). I was using the AA-12 and then the USAS-12 and I know that they got weaker. The "buff" didn't make them any stronger then they were before with damage+EM which is pretty sad to me. I was hoping they would at least get this buff right for the already weak shotguns.

Again, it might just be me. The stats might prove different, but as someone who has been using shotguns since this game came out, they just feel weaker to me. Haven't really tested the pump actions too much though.

Any other shotgun users (other then just Striker users) have any comments? Is it just me?

Some guy was rocking a Spas 12 earlier and he was getting one hit kills nonstop seemed more powerful than mw2 spas

Came from Den Kirson. Google his name, you'll find it. These are confirmed either retrieved from PC or just by brotesting.


The AA-12 is poop. The USAS and the KSG are the best now, in my opinion. I have a lot of experience with pump actions. Remember, it's the user of the shotgun that makes it good.
I have a montage. I show how you can use pump actions effectively. *The KSG 12 does not need Sleight of Hand to rapid fire. I like using it because I can rapid fire, and have a different blue perk.
1:17 and the second to last clip is a very good example of rapid fire.



The AA-12 didn't get buffed. It feels like that because the EMags glitch got patched. So the AA-12 only shoots out it's normal 8 pellets instead of 12 with EMags. The USAS did get buffed. It got an increase from 6 to 9 pellets. Basically, it stayed the same with upgrades before this patch, same goes for the KSG. I believe it's just you. It's either you love using shotguns or you don't use shotguns at all. I'm rank 305 in shotgun accolades on PS3, was 45 when the game first came out.

Ya thought so about the AA-12. I wish they did something about it. The USAS, I didn't use too much, but when I did I felt it was a tad weaker. Maybe that is just me since I'm downloading a 37gb torrent, but I'll try them out when my connection is freed up. & that's pretty cool. I play this game about 3-4 times a week nowadays so I'm not ranked anywhere high or anything. I think I'm either in the 3000s or 4000s for Buckshot.

Best Shotguns now are the KSG12, USAS12 and Model 1887, SPAS12 is pretty good too!

I think the aa-12 needs to run with damage now instead of range. So many hit-markers, even at close ranage