Post: Skill levels aren't subjective...
03-12-2012, 07:24 PM #1
Porter_Justice
Cake is a lie
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Hey, been awhile since I made a post. I play in parties usually because a lot of COD players are casual or just too stupid to play smart. I'm convinced the majority of the people who complain about guns and camping vs rushing are the main terrible teammates we all hate. Ground War will cut down on some of the camping anyway. I don't claim to be the best. My only real issues with MW3 is not that it's noob friendly but that it's noob helpful. I don't care about how OP a gun, campers, perk whatever is. I care about a guy I killed blowing up with DMH, or the fact that the skill of sniping or using a shotgun is really negated thanks to Support giving you a killstreak no matter how garbage you are...My style is communicate and get the job done. If you allow a guy to camp you or rush you, it's on you. Most players aren't equipped to kill someone that's not a red dot in their face.

I am in a clan, and recently we've been playing the usual bunch. Ya know, 2 splitscreen guys on the opposition. People are sore losers and out of touch with reality. Either you're a "hacker, no life tryhard, OP gun user" or the most pathetic sign of a sore loser, "1v1 me right now" requests....The COD community and Activisions obsession with trying to turn something that will sell regardless into an E for Everyone game is the issue.

I have 3 main classes...My OVERPOWERED(get mad) PP90M1 w/ext mags and rapid rushing class with akimbo G18s that I use to keep the oppostion on their heels. I get hate for that EVEN though I am rushing and I use tactical so I don't even "panic knife"

My OVERPOWERED yet for some reason under the radar MK14 class with Red Dot+Ext mags, Akimbo FMGs backup :carling: This is my class where I rush in and out of cover more since it's better served as a midrange weapon and helps on bigger maps and against teams trying to rush your spawn. I don't get hate for this gun I guess because people don't know that it shits on the Type 95 gun that everyone hates.

Lastly is my VERY rarely used Assassin Class(I don't have Assassin Pro since Hardline Pro shits on Assassin Pro)..Easiest gun in the game ACR w/ silencer and focus. This class is if the enemy is doing nothing but camping and I am playing solo. This is more or less a class I use in FFA on the rare occasion or in regular TDM where people camp their asses off.

Now as you may know I make no apologies about my disdain for Support. I initially thought it was made so that a few players in your party could use Advanced UAV, and Recon and even EMP to help support the other more offensive teammates which in turn would help your teammate dominate even more....

The sad reality is Support like death streaks are no more than something IW put in the game so that bad players would have some type of help. I am sure there are a few players here that use Support to help the team. The sad reality is that Support is nothing more than free killstreaks. I'd rather a guy rush or camp his ass off and kill me with an Osprey Gunner than some bum I am raping to be 11-25 running around trying to quick scope yet getting rewarded with a Stealth Bomber. At least with the camper I could communicate with teammates or a Recon Drone would find him. With the Support guy no matter how much we rape him, he'll get his killstreaks.

MW3 is fun for me for the most part but I'm really hoping the next Treyarch game has the fun factor IW games have minus the BS they put in to troll good players. I mean if you take the time to have nothing but Support classes with Stinger Missiles, you already know you suck. So why doesn't IW?
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03-13-2012, 02:23 AM #11
NeedaLifeSoon
Retired Life
Originally posted by Justice View Post
Glad to see some agree. I am 50/50 on splitscreeners. They either hurt your team or are legal boosters as enemies lol.

I just get tired of some guy running around spamming shotgun triggers with no riak because uses Support. Not to mention if you play solo you have to deal with sone idiot who sucks at quick scoping going negative and goibg negative.

I am always that guy who would rage at a terrible teammate before a camping enemy.



It's not that I hate the Stinger it's just often times bad players are good for two things. . Giving up killstreaks and shooting them down. I think their should be something implemented where if your in game kd is less than 0.40 your Stinger is 50% weaker.


I have to say that I always enjoy reading your threads and posts.
You are one of the best writers on the forum

One concern I have is that I read that Treyarch/Activision is considering using a portal type device in the next COD series.
I think I read that in gameinformer. For those unfamiliar with the portal device, activision had huge success with a game release called skylanders over the holidays. It requires one to buy figures that are placed on a external device and it incorporates them into the game.
The article made mention of using ammo and weapons for use on the portal.

The financial success of the skylanders game was because people were paying huge amounts of money to buy the extra objects for portal use, when the retail outlets ran out.

It could ruin COD, if they are considering something similar.
03-13-2012, 05:45 AM #12
GIRAFA
Creep-creep!!
well recently i've started to play Kill Confirmed solo, and have found that the most OP thing to use is a Headset and Site-Rep Pro.
03-13-2012, 07:30 AM #13
Originally posted by Justice View Post
Hey, been awhile since I made a post. I play in parties usually because a lot of COD players are casual or just too stupid to play smart. I'm convinced the majority of the people who complain about guns and camping vs rushing are the main terrible teammates we all hate. Ground War will cut down on some of the camping anyway. I don't claim to be the best. My only real issues with MW3 is not that it's noob friendly but that it's noob helpful. I don't care about how OP a gun, campers, perk whatever is. I care about a guy I killed blowing up with DMH, or the fact that the skill of sniping or using a shotgun is really negated thanks to Support giving you a killstreak no matter how garbage you are...My style is communicate and get the job done. If you allow a guy to camp you or rush you, it's on you. Most players aren't equipped to kill someone that's not a red dot in their face.

I am in a clan, and recently we've been playing the usual bunch. Ya know, 2 splitscreen guys on the opposition. People are sore losers and out of touch with reality. Either you're a "hacker, no life tryhard, OP gun user" or the most pathetic sign of a sore loser, "1v1 me right now" requests....The COD community and Activisions obsession with trying to turn something that will sell regardless into an E for Everyone game is the issue.

I have 3 main classes...My OVERPOWERED(get mad) PP90M1 w/ext mags and rapid rushing class with akimbo G18s that I use to keep the oppostion on their heels. I get hate for that EVEN though I am rushing and I use tactical so I don't even "panic knife"

My OVERPOWERED yet for some reason under the radar MK14 class with Red Dot+Ext mags, Akimbo FMGs backup :carling: This is my class where I rush in and out of cover more since it's better served as a midrange weapon and helps on bigger maps and against teams trying to rush your spawn. I don't get hate for this gun I guess because people don't know that it shits on the Type 95 gun that everyone hates.

Lastly is my VERY rarely used Assassin Class(I don't have Assassin Pro since Hardline Pro shits on Assassin Pro)..Easiest gun in the game ACR w/ silencer and focus. This class is if the enemy is doing nothing but camping and I am playing solo. This is more or less a class I use in FFA on the rare occasion or in regular TDM where people camp their asses off.

Now as you may know I make no apologies about my disdain for Support. I initially thought it was made so that a few players in your party could use Advanced UAV, and Recon and even EMP to help support the other more offensive teammates which in turn would help your teammate dominate even more....

The sad reality is Support like death streaks are no more than something IW put in the game so that bad players would have some type of help. I am sure there are a few players here that use Support to help the team. The sad reality is that Support is nothing more than free killstreaks. I'd rather a guy rush or camp his ass off and kill me with an Osprey Gunner than some bum I am raping to be 11-25 running around trying to quick scope yet getting rewarded with a Stealth Bomber. At least with the camper I could communicate with teammates or a Recon Drone would find him. With the Support guy no matter how much we rape him, he'll get his killstreaks.

MW3 is fun for me for the most part but I'm really hoping the next Treyarch game has the fun factor IW games have minus the BS they put in to troll good players. I mean if you take the time to have nothing but Support classes with Stinger Missiles, you already know you suck. So why doesn't IW?


This post really is a wonderful insight into what kind of "community" that Activision has created. I like how you take a step bakwards and really examine the long list of excuses a player will use to make the enemy that killed him seem like a 'noob'.

Now I myself am certainly not perfect and complain on the odd occaision, but at the end of the day I realise it's just a game and last time I checked games were supposed to be fun.

So thank you Proter_Justice. I honestly did enjoy reading your post. MW3 is a game I enjoy, and I wish their was more people out there like you.
03-13-2012, 10:52 AM #14
Originally posted by Justice View Post
Glad to see some agree. I am 50/50 on splitscreeners. They either hurt your team or are legal boosters as enemies lol.

I just get tired of some guy running around spamming shotgun triggers with no riak because uses Support. Not to mention if you play solo you have to deal with sone idiot who sucks at quick scoping going negative and goibg negative.

I am always that guy who would rage at a terrible teammate before a camping enemy.



It's not that I hate the Stinger it's just often times bad players are good for two things. . Giving up killstreaks and shooting them down. I think their should be something implemented where if your in game kd is less than 0.40 your Stinger is 50% weaker.


Honestly if im playing with a group of terrible randoms they usually dont have a stinger cause they figure they're too good to do it and that someone else should do it and it ends up being me
03-13-2012, 04:56 PM #15
xVii-
Big Sister
Appealing to the masses. That's all it is. If they try to make the game appealing to only the "pro" players, then they'll lose money.

I don't see much of these things as an issue. Yes, someone who's 14-40 getting a stealth bomber and ending my streak is annoying, and yes, someone blowing up after I kill them and ending my streak is annoying, but none of this is game-breaking. OMA noob tubes in Mw2 was game-breaking, this isn't. I wouldn't mind it if they were to take stuff like this out of the game, but in reality it's all about the money.
03-13-2012, 06:03 PM #16
Originally posted by xVii
Appealing to the masses. That's all it is. If they try to make the game appealing to only the "pro" players, then they'll lose money.

I don't see much of these things as an issue. Yes, someone who's 14-40 getting a stealth bomber and ending my streak is annoying, and yes, someone blowing up after I kill them and ending my streak is annoying, but none of this is game-breaking. OMA noob tubes in Mw2 was game-breaking, this isn't. I wouldn't mind it if they were to take stuff like this out of the game, but in reality it's all about the money.


Except they are going to lose money anyway because the pro players are going to find a new game to play. This is the last Call of Duty that I am buying, unless the next one completely wows me. The next one is a Treyarch game though so it probably won't wow me.
03-13-2012, 09:22 PM #17
xVii-
Big Sister
Originally posted by Sigetto View Post
Except they are going to lose money anyway because the pro players are going to find a new game to play. This is the last Call of Duty that I am buying, unless the next one completely wows me. The next one is a Treyarch game though so it probably won't wow me.


Yes, they will lose part of their player base either way, but how much of their player base consists of so-called "pros" and how much consists of "non-pros?" I know plenty of "pros" that aren't willing to stop playing call of duty all together simply because of a few things that reward bad players (most are incredibly easy to counter). They're losing less of their player base this way, as they're appealing to a larger percentage of players with things such as support killstreaks.
03-14-2012, 07:46 PM #18
Porter_Justice
Cake is a lie
Originally posted by NeedaLifeSoon View Post
I have to say that I always enjoy reading your threads and posts.
You are one of the best writers on the forum


Thanks. Yeah Activision is really whoring the game out. I mean they had Microsoft contract yet still went ahead with COD Elite Premium which really didn't benefit the PS3 community. Half the things people here consider nooby or casual are nothing more than excuses. Akimbo FMGS and Type 95s isn't going to really make a bad player good regardless of what people here seem to think especially since there is more to the game than simply aiming and shooting. My issues is the things Activision does to troll. I mean Death Streaks, and Support at the end of the day are not really OP(besides DMH), they are just annoying as hell. Casual gamers play COD because of the hype, fanbase, being a slightly above average game NOT because they get to use Death Streaks and Nooby ass Support. Guys run around going negative with shotguns yet still get rewarded which is BS. Those deathstreaks risk losing hardcore players way more than gaining casual gamers.

Originally posted by oO View Post
well recently i've started to play Kill Confirmed solo, and have found that the most OP thing to use is a Headset and Site-Rep Pro.


Headsets can give you an advantage, but it's not really "Overpowered." Besides, most players judge something that is widely noticeable as OP anyway. You rarely have a way of knowing if a player is using a gaming headset, and most players I find use Stalker, Steady Aim or Marksman. Key reason why you hear more complaints about Type 95 even though MK14 is better.

Originally posted by xVii
Appealing to the masses. That's all it is. If they try to make the game appealing to only the "pro" players, then they'll lose money.

I don't see much of these things as an issue. Yes, someone who's 14-40 getting a stealth bomber and ending my streak is annoying, and yes, someone blowing up after I kill them and ending my streak is annoying, but none of this is game-breaking. OMA noob tubes in Mw2 was game-breaking, this isn't. I wouldn't mind it if they were to take stuff like this out of the game, but in reality it's all about the money.


I disagree 100% about the money issue. COD as a franchise is the biggest thing in all of gaming. If they make a game just like MW2 or MW3 but remove Support and Deathstreaks, how will they lose sales? A bad player who sucks enough to "earn" Dead Man's Hand isn't going to boycott the game if deathstreaks are removed. A noob that used RC Car on Black Ops past 1st prestige isn't going to boycott the game because RC Cars are gone. Some bum going 4-15 while trying to level up that shitty Model 1887 obviously enjoys playing the game even though he sucks ass. I fail to see how he will stop playing COD games if he doesn't have a deathstreak. Death Streaks don't help anybody. If you are a terrible player, I doubt getting a free Stealth Bomber was the deciding factor in buying MW3. It was the COD hype machine.

Making a game casual friendly is okay in my book. However, once you become a juggernaut like Madden or Call of Duty, you don't have to have scrub friendly things anymore.

In no way are they game breaking. My posts are never your typical, "blah blah is overpowered" crybaby fests. This thread speaks to the real issues to the game which is things that keep noobs even somewhat competitive. It's a competitve mentality that is seriously lacking here. If a guy outguns me then fine. I won't talk trash about how his gun is OP or some perk helped him, he killed me. My issue is death streaks and Support only. I outplay a guy, kill him yet he still has some extra BS to kill me even though he's going to die anyway.
03-14-2012, 08:53 PM #19
Originally posted by Justice View Post
Hey, been awhile since I made a post. I play in parties usually because a lot of COD players are casual or just too stupid to play smart. I'm convinced the majority of the people who complain about guns and camping vs rushing are the main terrible teammates we all hate. Ground War will cut down on some of the camping anyway. I don't claim to be the best. My only real issues with MW3 is not that it's noob friendly but that it's noob helpful. I don't care about how OP a gun, campers, perk whatever is. I care about a guy I killed blowing up with DMH, or the fact that the skill of sniping or using a shotgun is really negated thanks to Support giving you a killstreak no matter how garbage you are...My style is communicate and get the job done. If you allow a guy to camp you or rush you, it's on you. Most players aren't equipped to kill someone that's not a red dot in their face.

I am in a clan, and recently we've been playing the usual bunch. Ya know, 2 splitscreen guys on the opposition. People are sore losers and out of touch with reality. Either you're a "hacker, no life tryhard, OP gun user" or the most pathetic sign of a sore loser, "1v1 me right now" requests....The COD community and Activisions obsession with trying to turn something that will sell regardless into an E for Everyone game is the issue.

I have 3 main classes...My OVERPOWERED(get mad) PP90M1 w/ext mags and rapid rushing class with akimbo G18s that I use to keep the oppostion on their heels. I get hate for that EVEN though I am rushing and I use tactical so I don't even "panic knife"

My OVERPOWERED yet for some reason under the radar MK14 class with Red Dot+Ext mags, Akimbo FMGs backup :carling: This is my class where I rush in and out of cover more since it's better served as a midrange weapon and helps on bigger maps and against teams trying to rush your spawn. I don't get hate for this gun I guess because people don't know that it shits on the Type 95 gun that everyone hates.

Lastly is my VERY rarely used Assassin Class(I don't have Assassin Pro since Hardline Pro shits on Assassin Pro)..Easiest gun in the game ACR w/ silencer and focus. This class is if the enemy is doing nothing but camping and I am playing solo. This is more or less a class I use in FFA on the rare occasion or in regular TDM where people camp their asses off.

Now as you may know I make no apologies about my disdain for Support. I initially thought it was made so that a few players in your party could use Advanced UAV, and Recon and even EMP to help support the other more offensive teammates which in turn would help your teammate dominate even more....

The sad reality is Support like death streaks are no more than something IW put in the game so that bad players would have some type of help. I am sure there are a few players here that use Support to help the team. The sad reality is that Support is nothing more than free killstreaks. I'd rather a guy rush or camp his ass off and kill me with an Osprey Gunner than some bum I am raping to be 11-25 running around trying to quick scope yet getting rewarded with a Stealth Bomber. At least with the camper I could communicate with teammates or a Recon Drone would find him. With the Support guy no matter how much we rape him, he'll get his killstreaks.

MW3 is fun for me for the most part but I'm really hoping the next Treyarch game has the fun factor IW games have minus the BS they put in to troll good players. I mean if you take the time to have nothing but Support classes with Stinger Missiles, you already know you suck. So why doesn't IW?


treyarch games are less "noob friendly" than IW games, cod4 vs W@W, MW2 vs BO, we all know what games took more skill

and yeh those support killstreaks are a pain in the ass, last night my party of 4 + 2 random splitscreeners where dominating some clan in demolition then suddely they all pulled out remote sentrys at the same time, none of us where equiped with emp grenades or anything we where helpless and couldent defuse the target, they really ned to let shit players be shit and less bullshit to any1 with half decent skills

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