Post: Skill levels aren't subjective...
03-12-2012, 07:24 PM #1
Porter_Justice
Cake is a lie
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Hey, been awhile since I made a post. I play in parties usually because a lot of COD players are casual or just too stupid to play smart. I'm convinced the majority of the people who complain about guns and camping vs rushing are the main terrible teammates we all hate. Ground War will cut down on some of the camping anyway. I don't claim to be the best. My only real issues with MW3 is not that it's noob friendly but that it's noob helpful. I don't care about how OP a gun, campers, perk whatever is. I care about a guy I killed blowing up with DMH, or the fact that the skill of sniping or using a shotgun is really negated thanks to Support giving you a killstreak no matter how garbage you are...My style is communicate and get the job done. If you allow a guy to camp you or rush you, it's on you. Most players aren't equipped to kill someone that's not a red dot in their face.

I am in a clan, and recently we've been playing the usual bunch. Ya know, 2 splitscreen guys on the opposition. People are sore losers and out of touch with reality. Either you're a "hacker, no life tryhard, OP gun user" or the most pathetic sign of a sore loser, "1v1 me right now" requests....The COD community and Activisions obsession with trying to turn something that will sell regardless into an E for Everyone game is the issue.

I have 3 main classes...My OVERPOWERED(get mad) PP90M1 w/ext mags and rapid rushing class with akimbo G18s that I use to keep the oppostion on their heels. I get hate for that EVEN though I am rushing and I use tactical so I don't even "panic knife"

My OVERPOWERED yet for some reason under the radar MK14 class with Red Dot+Ext mags, Akimbo FMGs backup :carling: This is my class where I rush in and out of cover more since it's better served as a midrange weapon and helps on bigger maps and against teams trying to rush your spawn. I don't get hate for this gun I guess because people don't know that it shits on the Type 95 gun that everyone hates.

Lastly is my VERY rarely used Assassin Class(I don't have Assassin Pro since Hardline Pro shits on Assassin Pro)..Easiest gun in the game ACR w/ silencer and focus. This class is if the enemy is doing nothing but camping and I am playing solo. This is more or less a class I use in FFA on the rare occasion or in regular TDM where people camp their asses off.

Now as you may know I make no apologies about my disdain for Support. I initially thought it was made so that a few players in your party could use Advanced UAV, and Recon and even EMP to help support the other more offensive teammates which in turn would help your teammate dominate even more....

The sad reality is Support like death streaks are no more than something IW put in the game so that bad players would have some type of help. I am sure there are a few players here that use Support to help the team. The sad reality is that Support is nothing more than free killstreaks. I'd rather a guy rush or camp his ass off and kill me with an Osprey Gunner than some bum I am raping to be 11-25 running around trying to quick scope yet getting rewarded with a Stealth Bomber. At least with the camper I could communicate with teammates or a Recon Drone would find him. With the Support guy no matter how much we rape him, he'll get his killstreaks.

MW3 is fun for me for the most part but I'm really hoping the next Treyarch game has the fun factor IW games have minus the BS they put in to troll good players. I mean if you take the time to have nothing but Support classes with Stinger Missiles, you already know you suck. So why doesn't IW?
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03-14-2012, 09:29 PM #20
Porter_Justice
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Originally posted by AT0MIK View Post
treyarch games are less "noob friendly" than IW games, cod4 vs W@W, MW2 vs BO, we all know what games took more skill

and yeh those support killstreaks are a pain in the ass, last night my party of 4 + 2 random splitscreeners where dominating some clan in demolition then suddely they all pulled out remote sentrys at the same time, none of us where equiped with emp grenades or anything we where helpless and couldent defuse the target, they really ned to let shit players be shit and less bullshit to any1 with half decent skills


The minute I saw Support was allowed in FFA I was done. IW games are way more fun but 3arc games don't have shit like OMA, death streaks or Support.
03-14-2012, 10:30 PM #21
I wouldn't mind if support streaks reset when the player hits a death streak.
03-14-2012, 11:08 PM #22
AhhMahZing
Are you high?
People have been complaining how the CoD's keep getting more beginner friendly since Mw2.
It hasn't changed.
It's not going to. IW will just keep making millions off of the same game.
03-15-2012, 02:13 AM #23
xVii-
Big Sister
Originally posted by Justice View Post
I disagree 100% about the money issue. COD as a franchise is the biggest thing in all of gaming. If they make a game just like MW2 or MW3 but remove Support and Deathstreaks, how will they lose sales? A bad player who sucks enough to "earn" Dead Man's Hand isn't going to boycott the game if deathstreaks are removed. A noob that used RC Car on Black Ops past 1st prestige isn't going to boycott the game because RC Cars are gone. Some bum going 4-15 while trying to level up that shitty Model 1887 obviously enjoys playing the game even though he sucks ass. I fail to see how he will stop playing COD games if he doesn't have a deathstreak. Death Streaks don't help anybody. If you are a terrible player, I doubt getting a free Stealth Bomber was the deciding factor in buying MW3. It was the COD hype machine.

Making a game casual friendly is okay in my book. However, once you become a juggernaut like Madden or Call of Duty, you don't have to have scrub friendly things anymore.
In no way are they game breaking. My posts are never your typical, "blah blah is overpowered" crybaby fests. This thread speaks to the real issues to the game which is things that keep noobs even somewhat competitive. It's a competitve mentality that is seriously lacking here. If a guy outguns me then fine. I won't talk trash about how his gun is OP or some perk helped him, he killed me. My issue is death streaks and Support only. I outplay a guy, kill him yet he still has some extra BS to kill me even though he's going to die anyway.


It's not necessarily that the death streaks will make or break the game for a certain group of players, it's more (or at least seems to be) that they're trying to make the game more friendly towards entry-level players. By adding things in like death streaks, support killstreaks, etc, they're making the game more accommodating towards the players of lower tiers of skill, such as entry-level players, thus making the game more inviting to a larger number of players. At least that's the way I see it. Again, I don't agree with this and, like you, dislike the idea that someone who I've bested can still kill me or make it harder for me to get kills.
03-15-2012, 03:59 PM #24
Porter_Justice
Cake is a lie
Originally posted by xVii
It's not necessarily that the death streaks will make or break the game for a certain group of players, it's more (or at least seems to be) that they're trying to make the game more friendly towards entry-level players. By adding things in like death streaks, support killstreaks, etc, they're making the game more accommodating towards the players of lower tiers of skill, such as entry-level players, thus making the game more inviting to a larger number of players. At least that's the way I see it. Again, I don't agree with this and, like you, dislike the idea that someone who I've bested can still kill me or make it harder for me to get kills.


I definitely get their idea of feeling Support and Death Streaks will give bad players something to do while they get beasted on. However, how friendly should a arcade shooter really be? I mean I personally use Hardline Pro 85% of the time and there have been games I've gotten an AC130 from a total of 3 gun kills. Assault killstreaks aren't even hard to obtain. Especially coming from Black Ops where getting even a Chopper Gunner was rewarding against a good team.

Killstreaks in MW3 are super easy to at leasy a 5-6-9 combo. The ease of point streaks make Support an evrn bigger joke
03-15-2012, 08:42 PM #25
ResistTheSun
In Flames Much?
Originally posted by Justice View Post
However, how friendly should a arcade shooter really be?


Would use hardline but i hate being on the radar

That a question that devs ask each time they make a game Smile
The answer is subjective.....

My view games should you for being bad not reward you. Being good or getting better reward you. Problem is how much do you reward players killstreaks ? but that puts off bad players etc
Should be XP tbh....more and more i play games with killstreaks the more i hate the idea.

Problem is...alot of gamers have got used to games rewarding you whatever you do.
Support and death streaks do help bad players but so does , low recoil , the lack of controling recoil , map design , radar , perks and the list carries on Winky Winky
Hell even killstreaks help bad players by boosting your score.

Online gaming is quite random....
Which does not help in trying to work out your skill level. Only true way to be sure is to play and try everything. Find your weakness and improve on it or make your playstyle around that weakness.

Good thread anywho Smile
03-15-2012, 08:51 PM #26
Originally posted by Justice View Post
Hey, been awhile since I made a post. I play in parties usually because a lot of COD players are casual or just too stupid to play smart. I'm convinced the majority of the people who complain about guns and camping vs rushing are the main terrible teammates we all hate. Ground War will cut down on some of the camping anyway. I don't claim to be the best. My only real issues with MW3 is not that it's noob friendly but that it's noob helpful. I don't care about how OP a gun, campers, perk whatever is. I care about a guy I killed blowing up with DMH, or the fact that the skill of sniping or using a shotgun is really negated thanks to Support giving you a killstreak no matter how garbage you are...My style is communicate and get the job done. If you allow a guy to camp you or rush you, it's on you. Most players aren't equipped to kill someone that's not a red dot in their face.

I am in a clan, and recently we've been playing the usual bunch. Ya know, 2 splitscreen guys on the opposition. People are sore losers and out of touch with reality. Either you're a "hacker, no life tryhard, OP gun user" or the most pathetic sign of a sore loser, "1v1 me right now" requests....The COD community and Activisions obsession with trying to turn something that will sell regardless into an E for Everyone game is the issue.

I have 3 main classes...My OVERPOWERED(get mad) PP90M1 w/ext mags and rapid rushing class with akimbo G18s that I use to keep the oppostion on their heels. I get hate for that EVEN though I am rushing and I use tactical so I don't even "panic knife"

My OVERPOWERED yet for some reason under the radar MK14 class with Red Dot+Ext mags, Akimbo FMGs backup :carling: This is my class where I rush in and out of cover more since it's better served as a midrange weapon and helps on bigger maps and against teams trying to rush your spawn. I don't get hate for this gun I guess because people don't know that it shits on the Type 95 gun that everyone hates.

Lastly is my VERY rarely used Assassin Class(I don't have Assassin Pro since Hardline Pro shits on Assassin Pro)..Easiest gun in the game ACR w/ silencer and focus. This class is if the enemy is doing nothing but camping and I am playing solo. This is more or less a class I use in FFA on the rare occasion or in regular TDM where people camp their asses off.

Now as you may know I make no apologies about my disdain for Support. I initially thought it was made so that a few players in your party could use Advanced UAV, and Recon and even EMP to help support the other more offensive teammates which in turn would help your teammate dominate even more....

The sad reality is Support like death streaks are no more than something IW put in the game so that bad players would have some type of help. I am sure there are a few players here that use Support to help the team. The sad reality is that Support is nothing more than free killstreaks. I'd rather a guy rush or camp his ass off and kill me with an Osprey Gunner than some bum I am raping to be 11-25 running around trying to quick scope yet getting rewarded with a Stealth Bomber. At least with the camper I could communicate with teammates or a Recon Drone would find him. With the Support guy no matter how much we rape him, he'll get his killstreaks.

MW3 is fun for me for the most part but I'm really hoping the next Treyarch game has the fun factor IW games have minus the BS they put in to troll good players. I mean if you take the time to have nothing but Support classes with Stinger Missiles, you already know you suck. So why doesn't IW?


I can't stand support killstreaks. It's simply giving idiots killstreaks for falling on their ass cheeks with DMH or last stand. Even martyrdom doesn't bother me as much as those do, because it's avoidable. With LS and DMH, first of all you don't know which one they have, and with LS they get a primary! That blows my mind. Then about halfway through the match the enemy team starts pulling out their support killstreaks that it takes them forever to earn. Don't even get me started on the shotguns. "Hey I have absolutely no gunskill whatsoever so I'm gonna run around with my shotgun and spray profusely around corners until it slaps someone in the face". It's like they made MW3 more compatible with children who have down syndrome and can't actually play it. It wouldn't be so bad if it wouldn't throw me into games with these idiots and the game is already 2 seconds from us losing because my team is handicapped

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03-16-2012, 11:19 PM #27
Porter_Justice
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Originally posted by Omniplasma View Post
I can't stand support killstreaks. It's simply giving idiots killstreaks for falling on their ass cheeks with DMH or last stand. Even martyrdom doesn't bother me as much as those do, because it's avoidable. With LS and DMH, first of all you don't know which one they have, and with LS they get a primary! That blows my mind. Then about halfway through the match the enemy team starts pulling out their support killstreaks that it takes them forever to earn. Don't even get me started on the shotguns. "Hey I have absolutely no gunskill whatsoever so I'm gonna run around with my shotgun and spray profusely around corners until it slaps someone in the face". It's like they made MW3 more compatible with children who have down syndrome and can't actually play it. It wouldn't be so bad if it wouldn't throw me into games with these idiots and the game is already 2 seconds from us losing because my team is handicapped


You literally wrote everything I think lmao. Same BS from moet Snipers... If you take the risk of using a Sniper or Shotgun you should know youre at a disadvantage and actually be skillful not rewarded...

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Originally posted by ResistTheSun View Post
Would use hardline but i hate being on the radar

That a question that devs ask each time they make a game Smile
The answer is subjective.....

My view games should you for being bad not reward you. Being good or getting better reward you. Problem is how much do you reward players killstreaks ? but that puts off bad players etc
Should be XP tbh....more and more i play games with killstreaks the more i hate the idea.

Problem is...alo
Online gaming is quite random....
Which does not help in trying to work out your skill level. Only true way to be sure is to play and try everything. Find your weakness and improve on it or make your playstyle around that weakness.

Good thread anywho Smile


It's not as subjective as people make it We all have same low recoil, OP guns and perks so we havr an equal playing field outside of connection. My point was guys who consistently go negative aren't very good and their k/d usually shows that. They try to make it subjective and in that instance it's not. They suck.

Support takes out the need for skill.

It'd be like taking the guns you consider OP or low recoil and making it so the worse you did the mote damage it did... Likr hollow points. Support and deathstreaks do nothing to make players better. You knoe my views tho lol. Running around with no skill shouldn't be rewarded just because you run around. If
03-17-2012, 04:24 PM #28
Originally posted by Justice View Post
You literally wrote everything I think lmao. Same BS from moet Snipers... If you take the risk of using a Sniper or Shotgun you should know youre at a disadvantage and actually be skillful not rewarded...

---------- Post added at 06:19 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:11 PM ----------



It's not as subjective as people make it We all have same low recoil, OP guns and perks so we havr an equal playing field outside of connection. My point was guys who consistently go negative aren't very good and their k/d usually shows that. They try to make it subjective and in that instance it's not. They suck.

Support takes out the need for skill.

It'd be like taking the guns you consider OP or low recoil and making it so the worse you did the mote damage it did... Likr hollow points. Support and deathstreaks do nothing to make players better. You knoe my views tho lol. Running around with no skill shouldn't be rewarded just because you run around. If


I don't even think it would be that bad if Support didn't have stealth bomber and remote sentry. It's called support for a reason.

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