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See that's the thing, I'm not taking sides it's just everything i've seen over the past 2 years has seemed so one-sided. Dems trying their best to find solutions and Republicans ready to tear them down. I agree the health care law isn't perfect but repeal the whole thing and start from scratch?? That doesn't make sense how about everyone working together to make it better.

How old are you? Seriously this healthcare goes against the constitution and no one wants it. Republicans are tired of the democrats blaming them for everything, attacking small business,and much more. Also just so you know the democrats had the presidency, house of representatives, and the senate. The Republicans just took the House. Also its not a law. Health Care should not be our first priority when we are $14,015,843,021,944 in debt. In 2 wars, and in a recession. You are imposing no real facts by the way.

I think he's doing ok for the situation he's in keeping in mind that I would probably say that if we had a Republican president. Good or bad presidencies are usually determined by what happened during your stint and the manner in which you inherited the presidency. If you become president at a crappy time, you're probably not going to have the best presidency and vice versa (and yes, there are exceptions).

I know that making everyone get health care has been deemed unconstitutional, but think about it you have a lot of people who get sick or hurt, go to the local hospital emergency room to get care and have zero coverage. And guess who has to pay for it? You and me, the taxpayer

I believe that Health care isn't their first priority, but reform was needed to help bring down the deficit over time. I think jobs and immigration reform should be at the top of the list but that's just me.

I know the dems have the presidency, had control of the house and now the gop have control of the house but the dems still control the senate... I don't really care about that all i care about are the hard working people out here struggling, wondering if they'll have a job tomorrow.

The debate on this was whether or not you thought Obama was a good President. Also who do you think pays for Obamacare? Okay take this then.

First off Obamacare has caused normal healthcare to increase. Also it made not having health insurance illegal (by the way thats the unconstitutional part.)
If you make $66,000 you pay $8,000 of it to pay for Obamacare or 12 percent not including the rest of the taxes you already pay. $44,000 then its $3,000 or 7 percent of income. $33,000 then $1500 or 5 percent of your income. If you make $22,000 then you pay $440 or 2 percent of your income.

Now tell me does that sounds like a good deal. Obama also pumped out a $3,270,000,000,000 stimulus. Then says employment didn't fall as bad as expected. Give me a break. We have on count, legally, about 309 million people. That means he could've given each person $10,580 in cash. Congratulations Obama you just equaled the Iraq war debt in one stimulus.

Also this might mean something on its own
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Obama's approval rating is horrible. Then again he forced down a unconstitutional bill, added unbelievable debt, and has flamed Republicans, but hey its good to know you can enjoy yourself in vacation. By the way the reform is adding to more cost than helping the deficit. Now what you didn't mention is the fact he's already stated when we are leaving Iraq and Afghanistan. Iraq = 2011, and Afghanistan = 2014. Also before you go clapping we are essentially picking up our things and leaving nothing more.

Now as anyone can guess I lean more right wing and for business, but that is another discussion in itself. Now if anyone can state some good things he has done for America and not just "I think he's doing a good job" that would be awesome.

Fun Fact : US debt is at $14 trillion and Obama has spent around 5 trillion easily, more likely much more that is undisclosed. Anyone want to do the math on what percent of debt that is.

Edit: Sorry just a side note this isn't just Obama, but unemployment has been extended to 99 weeks. Which is necessary because there is no possible way you could find a job in 1 year, you need 2 years.

You're right about that. Like I said before bro I think Obama is a great president and took the necessary steps to keep the economy from collapsing. I never said he was perfect but I stand with our president and will continue to do so in 2012.

I see your from California, where there is a huge problem with illegal immigration. I read this and said "damn this is so true" I've actually seen employers hire illegals and pay under the table

You didn't even read my post. If you did you would've posted I disagree or your wrong. I posted about 10 statements. Dude I'm not even on the close to same page as you. Read my last post and I'll talk. Also immigration is completely unrelated to this. So read my last post and think before you post. Obama is a horrible president. You didn't reply to anything I said. Unless you think spending $7 trillion for nothing is a good idea now read my last post please.

I read your post man isn't it obvious that I don't agree with any of it? You cannot dispute the fact that the stimulus, which may not have been perfect, it saved millions of jobs and gave a tax cut to 95% of Americans. It did have an effect and you talk as if it did not. The stimulus would not have even been necessary were it not for the failed policies of the Bush administration.

Man what are you talking about immigration was a lot to do with health care.



As you said, The thread is about if Obama is a good president or not. I told you I think he is. You think he isn't. I GET IT.:black:

lol millions of jobs. America has 311,000,000 citizens. Unemployment is at 9.4%. That is about 30 million citizens. But lets just say if he didn't do the stimulus it would be at about 16% right now or around 50 million. He could've given each of those citizens $65,400 plus unemployment which pays around $10,400 - $40,000 varying on where you live in the US. Lets just take $25,000 for this example. That means each person on unemployment would have in 2 years $115,400 with no job. Thats $57,700 a year for two years. Now tell me do you think the stimulus did a better job. It was horrible it took about 3 votes to get it in, while the democrats had complete control. It was very vague and no one knew where the money was going. Also those who say it wasn't just him it was the government, he can veto any plan he disagrees with. He is going to lose Presidency if something doesn't change, also don't say that's your opinion his approval rating disagrees. He's been in office for 3 years. You have argued nothing great about him, just that Obamacare is good and so is the stimulus. If it was states wouldn't be SUING yes I said suing the federal government to repeal Obamacare as they can't afford it. Also how can you say I can dispute the stimulus. It was a ridiculous amount of money tax payers will be paying for a very long time. When you have a real argument talk to me. I cannot dispute with someone in a debate who doesn't debate.