Post: Is Obama A Good president Or No???
05-12-2010, 05:21 PM #1
Saucy-_-
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Hey Guys ive seen alot of people on here making a post about obama being a good and bad President, So i was wondering what every one here thinks about it...

Please leave a comment on why you think hes bad or good...
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05-04-2011, 06:46 AM #398
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by skylines4life View Post
1. Saved the collapse of the American automotive industry by making GM restructure before bailing them out, and putting incentive money to help the industry

Congrats he did a common sense thing and didn't let millions lose their jobs. How the hell is this doing a good job. I could give a six year old this and they would do it as well.
Originally posted by another user
2. Shifted the focus of the war from Iraq to Afghanistan, and putting the emphasis on reducing terrorism where it should have been all along

Funny how he said we would leave August 2010. Focus hasn't shifted.
Originally posted by another user
3. Relaxed Anti-American tensions throughout the world

Give me an example.
Originally posted by another user
4. Signed order to close the prisoner “torture camp” at Guantanamo Bay

Guantanamo is still open, one more promise he did not keep. Why? Because he realized there are people there who are criminals.
Originally posted by another user
5. Has made the environment a national priority, and a primary source for job creation

Once again, give me an example for both of these statements.
Originally posted by another user
6. Has made education a national priority by putting emphasis and money behind new ideas like charter schools, but speaking directly to school children in telling them they have to do their part.

Don't know where you live, but California schools are definitely not getting any better. This is nothing new.
Originally posted by another user
7. Won the Nobel Peace Prize

This again... really? He won it after being in office for a year. Why? "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" This is a ridiculous reason. One year in office.
Originally posted by another user
8. $789 billion economic stimulus plan

I hate this. This stimulus was poorly designed and designated to expand government jobs only. You will tell me it helped, I will say yes, but it could have done much more. There is a reason no one ever celebrates the stimulus.
Originally posted by another user
9. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court

I swear you are just listing everything aren't you. How does this help us as a nation in anyway? Great more diversity, who the hell cares. I just want someone in charge who will get the job done, regardless of his/her skin color, religion, etc...
Originally posted by another user
10. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles

This was already in progress. It was just further increased.
Originally posted by another user
11. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans

Once again, congrats he authorizes something for veterans. How does this help us as a whole, it does not. It is great, but it has no large impact.
Originally posted by another user
12. Renewed dialogue with NATO and other allies and partners on strategic issues.

Okay, I will say good job for him.
Originally posted by another user
13. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force… this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.

Yes, because we were not researching military technology before he came to office.
Originally posted by another user
14. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops

Once again, good job. May I have your source by the way?
Originally posted by another user
15. “Cash for clunkers” program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulates auto sales

A decent program, started early on.
Originally posted by another user
16. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan

You already mentioned focusing attention on Afghanistan.
Originally posted by another user
17. Closed offshore tax safe havens

He's closed many, but there are still many loopholes.
Originally posted by another user
18. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan

You have now mentioned focusing on Afghanistan 3 times.
Originally posted by another user
19. Ended media “blackout” on war casualties; reporting full information

LOL you actually believe this. There is definitely events and casualties still hidden.
Originally posted by another user
20. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts

Okay.
Originally posted by another user
21. . Ended media blackout on war casualties and the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB.

Literally, almost a copy of #19
Originally posted by another user
22. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules

The government still has an almost $4 trillion budget. There is a lot to cut.
Originally posted by another user
23. Ended previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings

This is debatable. Also, millions? Let's do the math on that one. Let's say 500 mill. Thats .05% of the budget spent.
Originally posted by another user
24. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports

Give me an example of this being beneficiary.
Originally posted by another user
25. American Recovery and Reinvestment Act has created 2.1 million jobs (as of 12/31/09).

You just mentioned the stimulus again. This is overall your fourth repeat.
Originally posted by another user
26. Ended previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions

I'll say good job
Originally posted by another user
27. Ended previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back

Another repeat. You have repeated yourself 5 times now.
Originally posted by another user
28. Ended previous policy on torture; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards

Repeat of Guantanamo Bay, which is still operational.
Originally posted by another user
29. . Launched Recovery.gov to track spending from the Recovery Act, an unprecedented step to provide transparency and accountability through technology.

Way to take accountability. Didn't think this actually should be thanked.
Originally posted by another user
30. Ended previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry’s predatory practices

Yes this should have been dealt with a while ago. People still should have been aware though.
Originally posted by another user
31. Ended previous “stop-loss” policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date

Yes they will return. But as long as your contract is active they can bring you back.
Originally posted by another user
32. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources

This would be a example of him "going green"
Originally posted by another user
33. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient

Because making them efficient yourself is too difficult.
Originally posted by another user
34. Established a new cyber security office

All honesty never heard of this. I will take a shot and say he signed it, but didn't propose it.

Originally posted by another user
77. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research

Cannot be stated "positive" as this is opinionated.
Originally posted by another user
78. . Helped reverse a downward spiral of the stock market. On January 19, 2009, the last day of President Bush’s presidency, the Dow closed at 8,218.22. In February 2010, the Dow closed at 10,309.24

Are you serious? If you look at the stock market he extended the downfall. He damaged banking and scared the hell out of the private sector. Don't even try to give him credit for this.
Originally posted by another user
80. Restarted the nuclear non-proliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols

Originally posted by another user
82. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters

So I should thank him for not using tax payer money to refurbish the White House.
Originally posted by another user
83. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy

The other parts of the world please.
Originally posted by another user
84. Unveiled a program on Earth Day 2009 to develop the renewable energy projects on the waters of our Outer Continental Shelf that produce electricity from wind, wave, and ocean currents. These regulations will enable, for the first time ever, the nation to tap into our ocean’s vast sustainable resources to generate clean energy in an environmentally sound and safe manner.

Water does not generate enough energy. Wind produces a descent amount. This is nothing but a political move.
Originally posted by another user
85. Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program

This does not help our nation. These programs have been in play for a long time. In fact, there are numerous amounts of them out currently.
Originally posted by another user
86. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards

No idea what you are trying to say.
Originally posted by another user
87. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced

Once again ancient. My mother is an accountant. This has been in play for a very long time.
Originally posted by another user
88. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job

Nothing to do with him... in the least.
Originally posted by another user
89. The FDA is now regulating tobacco

I'm guessing your speaking of E-Cigs, and this had nothing to do with him.
Originally posted by another user
90. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date.

Stop mentioning the same things over and over to make it look like there are more reasons please.
Originally posted by another user
91. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010

1.4 billion is equal to 0.1% cut, and the cut if in our military defense budget.
Originally posted by another user
92. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying

This is very old.
Originally posted by another user
93. The “secret detention” facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed

Because there are definitely not more that aren't being closed.
Originally posted by another user
94. US financial and banking rescue plan

He only almost crashed the banks in the process. The banks had to reform and then were forced to declare bankruptcy under certain conditions.
Originally posted by another user
95. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast

What does the Navy have to do with Obama?
Originally posted by another user
96. . Signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act to stop fraud and wasteful spending in the defense procurement and contracting system.

Yes he signed a bill someone else put in front of him.
Originally posted by another user
97. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office

Yes, but you did not state how this was beneficiary. This means nothing without something positive coming from it. Otherwise I could say, "He visited the least" and it be also good.
Originally posted by another user
98. Improved relations with Iran

Funny I thought that the leader saying if anything happens to the nuclear facilities the US will face a war "without boundaries" was a bad thing.
Originally posted by another user
99. Improved U.S. policy on climate change

You said this already as well.
Originally posted by another user
100. Set timetable for exiting Iraq (already started removing troops)

Give me a break. He originally said 2010. You already said this.
Originally posted by another user
101. Improved relations with Russia

Once again, without an example any point is useless.
Originally posted by another user
102. Improved relations with the Islamic World

Once again, how so? If you are referring to us taking part in revolutions time will tell on that one.
Originally posted by another user
104. Economic stimulus plan has created jobs. (Unemployment rate decreasing)

You have now mentioned the stimulus 3 times. Congrats if I gave 787 billion out I better see some result. It could have been built much better. The US population is around 308 mill. I could give 31 million people, 24 million each. You think this was setup so well now?
Originally posted by another user
106. Saved Wall Street

Once again, ARE YOU KIDDING ME. He did anything but. They tried to reform the private sector. He disliked the private sector.
Originally posted by another user
108. HEALTHCARE REFORM

Obamacare is terrible and inefficient. We cannot afford it and it goes against basic rights. More than 50% of the US did not want this bill to pass.


Originally posted by another user
Would you like to see a birth certificate to?
Ignorant shit.

Would like to thank you for this flame. After all, in a debate why would you provide info, or hear other opinions. Instead, let's group everyone together. BTW the birth certificate incident was ridiculous.

I'll finish posting tomorrow morning, its late now.
05-04-2011, 03:30 PM #399
Obama = Great President
05-04-2011, 06:23 PM #400
Skylines
The Forgotten
Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post

Congrats he did a common sense thing and didn't let millions lose their jobs. How the hell is this doing a good job. I could give a six year old this and they would do it as well.

Funny how he said we would leave August 2010. Focus hasn't shifted.

Give me an example.

Guantanamo is still open, one more promise he did not keep. Why? Because he realized there are people there who are criminals.

Once again, give me an example for both of these statements.

Don't know where you live, but California schools are definitely not getting any better. This is nothing new.

This again... really? He won it after being in office for a year. Why? "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" This is a ridiculous reason. One year in office.

I hate this. This stimulus was poorly designed and designated to expand government jobs only. You will tell me it helped, I will say yes, but it could have done much more. There is a reason no one ever celebrates the stimulus.

I swear you are just listing everything aren't you. How does this help us as a nation in anyway? Great more diversity, who the hell cares. I just want someone in charge who will get the job done, regardless of his/her skin color, religion, etc...

This was already in progress. It was just further increased.

Once again, congrats he authorizes something for veterans. How does this help us as a whole, it does not. It is great, but it has no large impact.

Okay, I will say good job for him.

Yes, because we were not researching military technology before he came to office.

Once again, good job. May I have your source by the way?

A decent program, started early on.

You already mentioned focusing attention on Afghanistan.

He's closed many, but there are still many loopholes.

You have now mentioned focusing on Afghanistan 3 times.

LOL you actually believe this. There is definitely events and casualties still hidden.

Okay.

Literally, almost a copy of #19

The government still has an almost $4 trillion budget. There is a lot to cut.

This is debatable. Also, millions? Let's do the math on that one. Let's say 500 mill. Thats .05% of the budget spent.

Give me an example of this being beneficiary.

You just mentioned the stimulus again. This is overall your fourth repeat.

I'll say good job

Another repeat. You have repeated yourself 5 times now.

Repeat of Guantanamo Bay, which is still operational.

Way to take accountability. Didn't think this actually should be thanked.

Yes this should have been dealt with a while ago. People still should have been aware though.

Yes they will return. But as long as your contract is active they can bring you back.

This would be a example of him "going green"

Because making them efficient yourself is too difficult.

All honesty never heard of this. I will take a shot and say he signed it, but didn't propose it.


Cannot be stated "positive" as this is opinionated.

Are you serious? If you look at the stock market he extended the downfall. He damaged banking and scared the hell out of the private sector. Don't even try to give him credit for this.


So I should thank him for not using tax payer money to refurbish the White House.

The other parts of the world please.

Water does not generate enough energy. Wind produces a descent amount. This is nothing but a political move.

This does not help our nation. These programs have been in play for a long time. In fact, there are numerous amounts of them out currently.

No idea what you are trying to say.

Once again ancient. My mother is an accountant. This has been in play for a very long time.

Nothing to do with him... in the least.

I'm guessing your speaking of E-Cigs, and this had nothing to do with him.

Stop mentioning the same things over and over to make it look like there are more reasons please.
1.4 billion is equal to 0.1% cut, and the cut if in our military defense budget.

This is very old.

Because there are definitely not more that aren't being closed.

He only almost crashed the banks in the process. The banks had to reform and then were forced to declare bankruptcy under certain conditions.

What does the Navy have to do with Obama?

Yes he signed a bill someone else put in front of him.

Yes, but you did not state how this was beneficiary. This means nothing without something positive coming from it. Otherwise I could say, "He visited the least" and it be also good.

Funny I thought that the leader saying if anything happens to the nuclear facilities the US will face a war "without boundaries" was a bad thing.

You said this already as well.

Give me a break. He originally said 2010. You already said this.

Once again, without an example any point is useless.

Once again, how so? If you are referring to us taking part in revolutions time will tell on that one.

You have now mentioned the stimulus 3 times. Congrats if I gave 787 billion out I better see some result. It could have been built much better. The US population is around 308 mill. I could give 31 million people, 24 million each. You think this was setup so well now?

Once again, ARE YOU KIDDING ME. He did anything but. They tried to reform the private sector. He disliked the private sector.

Obamacare is terrible and inefficient. We cannot afford it and it goes against basic rights. More than 50% of the US did not want this bill to pass.[/SPOILER]


Would like to thank you for this flame. After all, in a debate why would you provide info, or hear other opinions. Instead, let's group everyone together. BTW the birth certificate incident was ridiculous.

I'll finish posting tomorrow morning, its late now.[/spoiler]

lol how bout I stop you there because I have better things to do.
05-04-2011, 06:23 PM #401
Skylines
The Forgotten
Originally posted by Just4Hax View Post

Congrats he did a common sense thing and didn't let millions lose their jobs. How the hell is this doing a good job. I could give a six year old this and they would do it as well.

Funny how he said we would leave August 2010. Focus hasn't shifted.

Give me an example.

Guantanamo is still open, one more promise he did not keep. Why? Because he realized there are people there who are criminals.

Once again, give me an example for both of these statements.

Don't know where you live, but California schools are definitely not getting any better. This is nothing new.

This again... really? He won it after being in office for a year. Why? "extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples" This is a ridiculous reason. One year in office.

I hate this. This stimulus was poorly designed and designated to expand government jobs only. You will tell me it helped, I will say yes, but it could have done much more. There is a reason no one ever celebrates the stimulus.

I swear you are just listing everything aren't you. How does this help us as a nation in anyway? Great more diversity, who the hell cares. I just want someone in charge who will get the job done, regardless of his/her skin color, religion, etc...

This was already in progress. It was just further increased.

Once again, congrats he authorizes something for veterans. How does this help us as a whole, it does not. It is great, but it has no large impact.

Okay, I will say good job for him.

Yes, because we were not researching military technology before he came to office.

Once again, good job. May I have your source by the way?

A decent program, started early on.

You already mentioned focusing attention on Afghanistan.

He's closed many, but there are still many loopholes.

You have now mentioned focusing on Afghanistan 3 times.

LOL you actually believe this. There is definitely events and casualties still hidden.

Okay.

Literally, almost a copy of #19

The government still has an almost $4 trillion budget. There is a lot to cut.

This is debatable. Also, millions? Let's do the math on that one. Let's say 500 mill. Thats .05% of the budget spent.

Give me an example of this being beneficiary.

You just mentioned the stimulus again. This is overall your fourth repeat.

I'll say good job

Another repeat. You have repeated yourself 5 times now.

Repeat of Guantanamo Bay, which is still operational.

Way to take accountability. Didn't think this actually should be thanked.

Yes this should have been dealt with a while ago. People still should have been aware though.

Yes they will return. But as long as your contract is active they can bring you back.

This would be a example of him "going green"

Because making them efficient yourself is too difficult.

All honesty never heard of this. I will take a shot and say he signed it, but didn't propose it.


Cannot be stated "positive" as this is opinionated.

Are you serious? If you look at the stock market he extended the downfall. He damaged banking and scared the hell out of the private sector. Don't even try to give him credit for this.


So I should thank him for not using tax payer money to refurbish the White House.

The other parts of the world please.

Water does not generate enough energy. Wind produces a descent amount. This is nothing but a political move.

This does not help our nation. These programs have been in play for a long time. In fact, there are numerous amounts of them out currently.

No idea what you are trying to say.

Once again ancient. My mother is an accountant. This has been in play for a very long time.

Nothing to do with him... in the least.

I'm guessing your speaking of E-Cigs, and this had nothing to do with him.

Stop mentioning the same things over and over to make it look like there are more reasons please.
1.4 billion is equal to 0.1% cut, and the cut if in our military defense budget.

This is very old.

Because there are definitely not more that aren't being closed.

He only almost crashed the banks in the process. The banks had to reform and then were forced to declare bankruptcy under certain conditions.

What does the Navy have to do with Obama?

Yes he signed a bill someone else put in front of him.

Yes, but you did not state how this was beneficiary. This means nothing without something positive coming from it. Otherwise I could say, "He visited the least" and it be also good.

Funny I thought that the leader saying if anything happens to the nuclear facilities the US will face a war "without boundaries" was a bad thing.

You said this already as well.

Give me a break. He originally said 2010. You already said this.

Once again, without an example any point is useless.

Once again, how so? If you are referring to us taking part in revolutions time will tell on that one.

You have now mentioned the stimulus 3 times. Congrats if I gave 787 billion out I better see some result. It could have been built much better. The US population is around 308 mill. I could give 31 million people, 24 million each. You think this was setup so well now?

Once again, ARE YOU KIDDING ME. He did anything but. They tried to reform the private sector. He disliked the private sector.

Obamacare is terrible and inefficient. We cannot afford it and it goes against basic rights. More than 50% of the US did not want this bill to pass.



Would like to thank you for this flame. After all, in a debate why would you provide info, or hear other opinions. Instead, let's group everyone together. BTW the birth certificate incident was ridiculous.

I'll finish posting tomorrow morning, its late now.

lol how bout I stop you there because I have better things to do.
05-04-2011, 07:52 PM #402
Booshykins
Tech Enthusiast
Originally posted by FoxkaZ View Post
Obama just fragged Osama, so yeah i guess Winky Winky :y:


Oh, he did?

Alright, everyone give credit to the president, and not the brave men who actually went in and got him.

Had the intel been provided during another president's term, the same thing would have happened.

Most presidents don't have a single day of experience when it comes to war, yet they have the "right" to call the shots. I don't get it.

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05-05-2011, 12:43 AM #403
Just4Hax
"I will speak ill of
Originally posted by skylines4life View Post
lol how bout I stop you there because I have better things to do.

Oh I'm sorry for trying to debate in a debate forum.

You are not debating in the proper manner. If you truly wanted to debate, or learn anything, you would post maybe one or two ideas, wait for a response, listen, and respond in a good manner.

Instead you decided to throw 108 "examples" at me then proceed to call me an "ignorant shit". Most of the examples you listed are duplicates of others.

Look if you don't want to debate, hear others opinions, or what ever, fine. But don't even try to act like you are 100% correct, then proceed to flame, post on someone's wall 4 hours after making a post and then act like you are better than this.

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05-05-2011, 12:46 AM #404
Obama killed Osama. Bush tried for seven years and failed, therefore Obama = Win!
05-05-2011, 04:17 PM #405
juddylovespizza
I'VE GOT JUNGLE FEVER
You just don't like him because he's black.
05-05-2011, 04:28 PM #406
Ameht!
Dark Knight
Originally posted by Pumpkin View Post
Black president = FTW end of discussion close thread goodnight zZzzZZzZz


racist should just be kilt or your family decimated. its 2011 get over it

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