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05-25-2010, 12:24 PM #1
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05-26-2010, 10:38 PM #11
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:mad: Owned ^^^^^^^^^^. Hawks, in my oppinion, are the better team. The Eastern Conference kind of sucked this year. It was 8th vs 7th(not that it means anything, but im just saying).
05-26-2010, 10:48 PM #12
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Originally posted by steeezynutz View Post
:mad: Owned ^^^^^^^^^^. Hawks, in my oppinion, are the better team. The Eastern Conference kind of sucked this year. It was 8th vs 7th(not that it means anything, but im just saying).


I wouldn't say the East Sucked

I would say there were more Dramatics, and more teams stepped up their game in the east.
It was obviously a good playoffs whoever wins.
05-26-2010, 11:22 PM #13
Im going with BlackHawks
05-27-2010, 12:13 AM #14
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Originally posted by Jeff View Post
Lol dude, if you had anymore fanboyisum, I would actually slap you. You exagerrate every thing the Flyers do, and completly ignored everything I pointed out...

1. Noone will move Byfuglen. Pronger looks like a kid compared to him. Coburn is smaller than Pronger. Pronger may be the biggest in Height, but that doesnt even matter. I wouldn't even say hes 75% muscle, and if he is, he hasn't used it all Playoffs.
Flyers defence has an avrage height of 6'2. Chicagos avrage height is is 6'1...
Flyers defence avrage weight is 203.62 Chicagos avrage weight is 200.25,

So yeah, a lot of People come close to Flyers defence.
And Small wingers, you compare 1 player from Chicago to 3 from Phillidalphia?
Versteeg, Bigger than Briere
Bolland, Bigger than Giroux,
and JVR isnt even small... Hes 6'3, 200lbs...

2. Goaltending... Boston, who do they have that goes infront of the net? Milan Lucic and David Krejic? Krecjic got hurt the game Leighton came in, So Boston relied on point shots and breakaways. Ill give it to Leighton he was steller on Breakaways, but there were few. He wasnt tested that series... Montreal, Noone on that team crashs the net + There offence had nothing compared to Flyers defence, who were physically dominate in size compared to a young, small Montreal team, making it impossible to get infront of the net. Not tested there, except in game 3, & What happened there? 5 Goals...
Who has Chicago faced? Nashville, a grudgy, rough team whose only real goals came from Net crashs and bad bounces. Niemi put them away in 6. San Jose, Joe Pavelski lives infront of the net. Marleau only scores on 1 timers... Niemi swept them...
Point is, Niemi has actually been tested. Leighton hasnt...
Also, a Fatigue factor has to be put in. Niemi has played twice as many games as Leighton. Still playing at the same, if not higher Caliber then him...

As for Pronger shutting down the best offences. Kovalchuk, whose on his line? Elias and Zubrus, both are past their primes, and are avrage. Cammalari, Gomez and Gionta, both extremely small.
Kane, Towes and Byfuglien, Towes has the most points this post season, and Byfuglien had 3 Game winning goals vs San Jose.... and is the biggest player on the ice. Point, Your line mates matter of how much your produce, and Towes/Byfuglien/Kane have been the most productive line, Lighting up 3 great goalies of Pekka Rinne (Calder Nominee last year) Roberto Luongo (Olympic Gold medalist) and Evgeni Nabakov (Team Russia starting goalie)

and Yes, Chicago has better defence.
Brent Seabrook - Duncan Keith.
What can I say? Best pair hands down. Agreed by most analyists. Keith = Great Offencive defence, with great speed and hands, and a great slapshot (Ask Sami Salo LOL!) where Seabrook = Great Stay-At-Home defence with a great hitting body.
Whose a better pair on Philly? Turnover McTurnover, I mean Coburn and Pronger?
LOLOLOLOL Get serious bro.
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First bold: Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't you contradicting yourself here? You say Chicago is the bigger team, but then lay down the facts that the Flyers actually are.

Second bold: Sounds like advantage Flyers. As you said fatigue is a factor. I would tend to lean to a guy who has been playing on fresh wheels then one who hasn't.

Third bold: Coburn isn't a pair with Pronger, Carle is.

Simply pointed out things you said that make no sense to me.

Age has got the potential to hurt the Blackhawks here. They are 2-1 favorites, they are EXPECTED to win, pressure is a tough thing to overcome when you're young.
05-27-2010, 01:05 AM #15
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Originally posted by Jeff View Post
Lol dude, if you had anymore fanboyisum, I would actually slap you. You exagerrate every thing the Flyers do, and completly ignored everything I pointed out...

1. Noone will move Byfuglen. Pronger looks like a kid compared to him. Coburn is smaller than Pronger. Pronger may be the biggest in Height, but that doesnt even matter. I wouldn't even say hes 75% muscle, and if he is, he hasn't used it all Playoffs.
Flyers defence has an avrage height of 6'2. Chicagos avrage height is is 6'1...
Flyers defence avrage weight is 203.62 Chicagos avrage weight is 200.25,
So yeah, a lot of People come close to Flyers defence.
And Small wingers, you compare 1 player from Chicago to 3 from Phillidalphia?
Versteeg, Bigger than Briere
Bolland, Bigger than Giroux,
and JVR isnt even small... Hes 6'3, 200lbs...

2. Goaltending... Boston, who do they have that goes infront of the net? Milan Lucic and David Krejic? Krecjic got hurt the game Leighton came in, So Boston relied on point shots and breakaways. Ill give it to Leighton he was steller on Breakaways, but there were few. He wasnt tested that series... Montreal, Noone on that team crashs the net + There offence had nothing compared to Flyers defence, who were physically dominate in size compared to a young, small Montreal team, making it impossible to get infront of the net. Not tested there, except in game 3, & What happened there? 5 Goals...
Who has Chicago faced? Nashville, a grudgy, rough team whose only real goals came from Net crashs and bad bounces. Niemi put them away in 6. San Jose, Joe Pavelski lives infront of the net. Marleau only scores on 1 timers... Niemi swept them...
Point is, Niemi has actually been tested. Leighton hasnt...
Also, a Fatigue factor has to be put in. Niemi has played twice as many games as Leighton. Still playing at the same, if not higher Caliber then him...

As for Pronger shutting down the best offences. Kovalchuk, whose on his line? Elias and Zubrus, both are past their primes, and are avrage. Cammalari, Gomez and Gionta, both extremely small.
Kane, Towes and Byfuglien, Towes has the most points this post season, and Byfuglien had 3 Game winning goals vs San Jose.... and is the biggest player on the ice. Point, Your line mates matter of how much your produce, and Towes/Byfuglien/Kane have been the most productive line, Lighting up 3 great goalies of Pekka Rinne (Calder Nominee last year) Roberto Luongo (Olympic Gold medalist) and Evgeni Nabakov (Team Russia starting goalie)

and Yes, Chicago has better defence.
Brent Seabrook - Duncan Keith.
What can I say? Best pair hands down. Agreed by most analyists. Keith = Great Offencive defence, with great speed and hands, and a great slapshot (Ask Sami Salo LOL!) where Seabrook = Great Stay-At-Home defence with a great hitting body.
Whose a better pair on Philly? Turnover McTurnover, I mean Coburn and Pronger?
LOLOLOLOL Get serious bro..


Are you kidding my dude? Seriously?

What did you point out? Nothing. Before this post here, you pointed out ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. So I'm going to go down the list of some of most ridiculous things you said now AFTER the fact, and just own you (again). Then after that, I'm pretty much going to ignore you, because you're a waste of time.


-You said Chicago was bigger. They aren't.
-Cobourn and Pronger are ALMOST the same size. What does Pronger have on Cobourn? 1 inch in height.
-You said Chicago was bigger, than gave the stats that shows they aren't (so you contradicted yourself).
-Pronger hasn't used muscle in the playoffs? Wow. You're kidding me right? He's a machine out there. You obviously have not watched a single Flyers game this postseson, so don't act like you have.
-You want me to compare more guys? Ok, I will. Let's compare top center to top center. Carter versus Toews. Carter is bigger in height and weight.
-Bolland isn't a winger, he's a center. Does he shift over though? I admit, I don't follow that close to the Blackhawks to know their system entirely. I do know though, he's an inch taller than Mike Richards, but Richards has 20 lbs on him.


-Boston couldn't crash the net because Flyers kept pushing them out. And you're right, Montreal doesn't have those players to do that which is why they got ousted so easily.
-You seemed to forget the Devils though, whose entire system is based on either getting the puck to Kovalchuk so he can shoot, and getting in front of the net for a rebound. Well, they prevent Kovy from shooting, and kept the Devils players from doing anything in front of Boucher (and just to be clear Leighton > Boucher). Guarantee if Leighton plays the 1st series, it's a sweep against NJ.
-One thing you forget about Boston is that Chara, you know that yellow teethed mammoth, does go to the net when he can...guess what? He couldn't and when he did, he got owned there.
-Speaking of the defenders, you mentioned the Flyers average...you ever notice how the Flyers pair one small defender with one big defender? It provides balance very few teams can do. Carle is like a young Timmonen. So while the Flyers have size, they also have very skilled technical players back there too. Pretty cool about Carle though, he dominates against the boards...and I'm not sure how he does it. He just does.
-Whoopty do about San Jose series, those guys are worthless in the postseason. They really are.
-You're right about linemates being productive and such, and why a Blackhawks set line will have more production than the Flyers, because the Flyers don't have set lines. There's kind of a loose foundation, but the 1-3 gets mixed up quite a bit, and their points are more spread out. So I'll give you a quick stat to show this.
Blackhawks in the postseason - 145 points
Flyers in the postseason - 145 points
I'll give to Blackhawks, they've played 1 less game. Though the Flyers having played 1 more game, have GIVEN UP 14 points less.
-Agreed by most analysts? Where? In Chicago? How can the team that has given up more in less games? I won't discount Chicago's defense, but the two pairing of Pronger/Carle and Cobourn/Timmonen has been regarded for a while as the best 1 and 2 pairings in the NHL for a while. And I follow many sports sites (CBS, NBC, ESPN, SN, SI...and many minor affiliates), and that's been the almost consistant praise of the Flyers is the depth of the blueline.

-Neimi playing at a higher calibur? In what way? Save %? Shutouts? GAA? There is no stat that Neimi has that says higher calibur than Leighton. The Flyers goaltending (Boucher than Leighton) has been the hottest in the postseason. As I said, Boucher has almost equal stats than Neimi right now, and Leighton has better.


Seriously man, I'm not discounting the Blackhawks at all. Nobody is. There's a reason why they're in the SCF. It's the same reason why the Flyers are there too. Because these teams right now are the most complete teams in the NHL, and both are playing at very high levels. This series is a lot closer than people think, and the people in Chicago are so funny, because they're already crowning the Hawks. It's very disrespectful, but hey...if you're right, you're right. If you're wrong though, and pray that you aren't, you're going to look like fools (though you already do, so :P)
05-27-2010, 03:47 AM #16
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05-27-2010, 10:50 AM #17
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Originally posted by Hi

First bold: Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't you contradicting yourself here? You say Chicago is the bigger team, but then lay down the facts that the Flyers actually are.

Second bold: Sounds like advantage Flyers. As you said fatigue is a factor. I would tend to lean to a guy who has been playing on fresh wheels then one who hasn't.

Third bold: Coburn isn't a pair with Pronger, Carle is.

Simply pointed out things you said that make no sense to me.

Age has got the potential to hurt the Blackhawks here. They are 2-1 favorites, they are EXPECTED to win, pressure is a tough thing to overcome when you're young.


1st Bold Rebutual. I said Flyers defence is bigger, because he was going on about them being dominating bigger. The offence on philly has an avrage size of 6'1. Chicagos avrage size is 6'3
2nd Bold rebutual. I also said he's playing at a better caliber, Meaning Niemi can handle fatigue better. Also, Niemi is more consistant.
3rd Rebutual. I didnt know that. From how he makes it out, they are.


Originally posted by Darksun View Post
Are you kidding my dude? Seriously?

What did you point out? Nothing. Before this post here, you pointed out ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. So I'm going to go down the list of some of most ridiculous things you said now AFTER the fact, and just own you (again). Then after that, I'm pretty much going to ignore you, because you're a waste of time.


-You said Chicago was bigger. They aren't.
-Cobourn and Pronger are ALMOST the same size. What does Pronger have on Cobourn? 1 inch in height.
-You said Chicago was bigger, than gave the stats that shows they aren't (so you contradicted yourself).
-Pronger hasn't used muscle in the playoffs? Wow. You're kidding me right? He's a machine out there. You obviously have not watched a single Flyers game this postseson, so don't act like you have.
-You want me to compare more guys? Ok, I will. Let's compare top center to top center. Carter versus Toews. Carter is bigger in height and weight.
-Bolland isn't a winger, he's a center. Does he shift over though? I admit, I don't follow that close to the Blackhawks to know their system entirely. I do know though, he's an inch taller than Mike Richards, but Richards has 20 lbs on him.


-Boston couldn't crash the net because Flyers kept pushing them out. And you're right, Montreal doesn't have those players to do that which is why they got ousted so easily.
-You seemed to forget the Devils though, whose entire system is based on either getting the puck to Kovalchuk so he can shoot, and getting in front of the net for a rebound. Well, they prevent Kovy from shooting, and kept the Devils players from doing anything in front of Boucher (and just to be clear Leighton > Boucher). Guarantee if Leighton plays the 1st series, it's a sweep against NJ.
-One thing you forget about Boston is that Chara, you know that yellow teethed mammoth, does go to the net when he can...guess what? He couldn't and when he did, he got owned there.
-Speaking of the defenders, you mentioned the Flyers average...you ever notice how the Flyers pair one small defender with one big defender? It provides balance very few teams can do. Carle is like a young Timmonen. So while the Flyers have size, they also have very skilled technical players back there too. Pretty cool about Carle though, he dominates against the boards...and I'm not sure how he does it. He just does.
-Whoopty do about San Jose series, those guys are worthless in the postseason. They really are.
-You're right about linemates being productive and such, and why a Blackhawks set line will have more production than the Flyers, because the Flyers don't have set lines. There's kind of a loose foundation, but the 1-3 gets mixed up quite a bit, and their points are more spread out. So I'll give you a quick stat to show this.
Blackhawks in the postseason - 145 points
Flyers in the postseason - 145 points
I'll give to Blackhawks, they've played 1 less game. Though the Flyers having played 1 more game, have GIVEN UP 14 points less.
-Agreed by most analysts? Where? In Chicago? How can the team that has given up more in less games? I won't discount Chicago's defense, but the two pairing of Pronger/Carle and Cobourn/Timmonen has been regarded for a while as the best 1 and 2 pairings in the NHL for a while. And I follow many sports sites (CBS, NBC, ESPN, SN, SI...and many minor affiliates), and that's been the almost consistant praise of the Flyers is the depth of the blueline.

-Neimi playing at a higher calibur? In what way? Save %? Shutouts? GAA? There is no stat that Neimi has that says higher calibur than Leighton. The Flyers goaltending (Boucher than Leighton) has been the hottest in the postseason. As I said, Boucher has almost equal stats than Neimi right now, and Leighton has better.


Seriously man, I'm not discounting the Blackhawks at all. Nobody is. There's a reason why they're in the SCF. It's the same reason why the Flyers are there too. Because these teams right now are the most complete teams in the NHL, and both are playing at very high levels. This series is a lot closer than people think, and the people in Chicago are so funny, because they're already crowning the Hawks. It's very disrespectful, but hey...if you're right, you're right. If you're wrong though, and pray that you aren't, you're going to look like fools (though you already do, so :P)

1st Bold: When did Leighton play New Jersey? Im pretty sure he came in when all of Bostons net crashers were getting Injured.
2nd Bold: Chara doesnt crash the net dummy. He barely pinches. All he does is point shots. Flyers are good blocking shots.
3rd Bold: Im pretty sure if you make the West Finals, and put out the defending West Winner, in 5 games....you're not worthless....Yes San Jose has trouble in the playoffs, but they played good this year...
4th Bold. Yes, every Sports show broadcasted in Canada, I watch. (TSN, SPNET, ESPN,...) And every one has said "The line of Seabrook and Keith are the most dominate, They compliment each other and make it rough on the opposing offence..."
5th Bold. Yes, you really dont read what I write do you? Where has Boucher/Leighton even been tested at all? Niemi Averages 31 shots per game. Halak Averaged 33. Niemi has put away the other 2 Of the top 3 teams in the West in the Regular season.

Next time, Read what I actually write Fanboy.
05-27-2010, 12:37 PM #18
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Originally posted by Jeff View Post
1st Bold Rebutual. I said Flyers defence is bigger, because he was going on about them being dominating bigger. The offence on philly has an avrage size of 6'1. Chicagos avrage size is 6'3
2nd Bold rebutual. I also said he's playing at a better caliber, Meaning Niemi can handle fatigue better. Also, Niemi is more consistant.
3rd Rebutual. I didnt know that. From how he makes it out, they are.


Alright, got what you're saying for 1 and 3. I'm just wondering what you are basing his consistency on? He's only played one full year in the NHL. Anyway, basically what I am saying is if your basing solely on the year in total, I can't really see how you can say he is more consistent. Leighton played pretty darn good in the regular season before getting injured, as did Niemi. Sure Niemi's season was longer then that of Leightons, but just like I can't tell you he would have kept up his play, you can't tell me his play would have fallen off. Now if you're comparing just post seasons, Leighton has been consistent throughout, and judging by the fact that the Blackhawks are also playing for the cup I am guessing Niemi has been as well. Basically what I am saying is every time Leighton has stood between the pipes for the Flyers he has brought nothing but consistency. So I am wondering how you can say one is more consistent than the other, when neither has had a long history in the NHL.

I want the Blackhawks to lose obviously as they are playing my team. However, I want them to lose even more with the arrogance of their "fans". The same "fans" that weren't there in past years when they weren't a good team.

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05-27-2010, 11:23 PM #19
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Alright, got what you're saying for 1 and 3. I'm just wondering what you are basing his consistency on? He's only played one full year in the NHL. Anyway, basically what I am saying is if your basing solely on the year in total, I can't really see how you can say he is more consistent. Leighton played pretty darn good in the regular season before getting injured, as did Niemi. Sure Niemi's season was longer then that of Leightons, but just like I can't tell you he would have kept up his play, you can't tell me his play would have fallen off. Now if you're comparing just post seasons, Leighton has been consistent throughout, and judging by the fact that the Blackhawks are also playing for the cup I am guessing Niemi has been as well. Basically what I am saying is every time Leighton has stood between the pipes for the Flyers he has brought nothing but consistency. So I am wondering how you can say one is more consistent than the other, when neither has had a long history in the NHL.

I want the Blackhawks to lose obviously as they are playing my team. However, I want them to lose even more with the arrogance of their "fans". The same "fans" that weren't there in past years when they weren't a good team.


Well, Can you tell me when was the last time Niemi has had an off Night, In the Playoffs or Regular season, And Darksun before you point out goals, I said Off night, not off 10 minutes. It will be hard since he rarely has any.

Leighton has had many off nights during the regular season, that's why they barely made the playoffs, and only started their run to make the playoffs when Boucher started, at one time being 14th place in the East.
& How can you say Leighton has been more consistant? Okay he's had 3 shutouts in 7 games.. But he also had 1 slip up in those 7 games, letting in 5 goals on 23 Shots I think.. I could be wrong. Niemi hasn't had a bad game these playoffs.

Its easyer to count Leightons bad nights then to Count Niemis.

Don't get me wrong. I am NOT a Chicago fan. I hate Niemi because his 1st win was against Pittsburgh, my favourite team, and I hate Chicago because they are my fathers favourite team.
I like Phillidalphia more than Chicago, but the odds are with Chicago, and theres no denying that.

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