Originally posted by Jeff
Lol dude, if you had anymore fanboyisum, I would actually slap you. You exagerrate every thing the Flyers do, and completly ignored everything I pointed out...
1. Noone will move Byfuglen. Pronger looks like a kid compared to him. Coburn is smaller than Pronger. Pronger may be the biggest in Height, but that doesnt even matter. I wouldn't even say hes 75% muscle, and if he is, he hasn't used it all Playoffs.
Flyers defence has an avrage height of 6'2. Chicagos avrage height is is 6'1...
Flyers defence avrage weight is 203.62 Chicagos avrage weight is 200.25,
So yeah, a lot of People come close to Flyers defence.
And Small wingers, you compare 1 player from Chicago to 3 from Phillidalphia?
Versteeg, Bigger than Briere
Bolland, Bigger than Giroux,
and JVR isnt even small... Hes 6'3, 200lbs...
2. Goaltending... Boston, who do they have that goes infront of the net? Milan Lucic and David Krejic? Krecjic got hurt the game Leighton came in, So Boston relied on point shots and breakaways. Ill give it to Leighton he was steller on Breakaways, but there were few. He wasnt tested that series... Montreal, Noone on that team crashs the net + There offence had nothing compared to Flyers defence, who were physically dominate in size compared to a young, small Montreal team, making it impossible to get infront of the net. Not tested there, except in game 3, & What happened there? 5 Goals...
Who has Chicago faced? Nashville, a grudgy, rough team whose only real goals came from Net crashs and bad bounces. Niemi put them away in 6. San Jose, Joe Pavelski lives infront of the net. Marleau only scores on 1 timers... Niemi swept them...
Point is, Niemi has actually been tested. Leighton hasnt...
Also, a Fatigue factor has to be put in. Niemi has played twice as many games as Leighton. Still playing at the same, if not higher Caliber then him...
As for Pronger shutting down the best offences. Kovalchuk, whose on his line? Elias and Zubrus, both are past their primes, and are avrage. Cammalari, Gomez and Gionta, both extremely small.
Kane, Towes and Byfuglien, Towes has the most points this post season, and Byfuglien had 3 Game winning goals vs San Jose.... and is the biggest player on the ice. Point, Your line mates matter of how much your produce, and Towes/Byfuglien/Kane have been the most productive line, Lighting up 3 great goalies of Pekka Rinne (Calder Nominee last year) Roberto Luongo (Olympic Gold medalist) and Evgeni Nabakov (Team Russia starting goalie)
and Yes, Chicago has better defence.
Brent Seabrook - Duncan Keith.
What can I say? Best pair hands down. Agreed by most analyists. Keith = Great Offencive defence, with great speed and hands, and a great slapshot (Ask Sami Salo LOL!) where Seabrook = Great Stay-At-Home defence with a great hitting body.
Whose a better pair on Philly? Turnover McTurnover, I mean Coburn and Pronger?
LOLOLOLOL Get serious bro..
Are you kidding my dude? Seriously?
What did you point out? Nothing. Before this post here, you pointed out ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. So I'm going to go down the list of some of most ridiculous things you said now AFTER the fact, and just own you (again). Then after that, I'm pretty much going to ignore you, because you're a waste of time.
-You said Chicago was bigger. They aren't.
-Cobourn and Pronger are ALMOST the same size. What does Pronger have on Cobourn? 1 inch in height.
-You said Chicago was bigger, than gave the stats that shows they aren't (so you contradicted yourself).
-Pronger hasn't used muscle in the playoffs? Wow. You're kidding me right? He's a machine out there. You obviously have not watched a single Flyers game this postseson, so don't act like you have.
-You want me to compare more guys? Ok, I will. Let's compare top center to top center. Carter versus Toews. Carter is bigger in height and weight.
-Bolland isn't a winger, he's a center. Does he shift over though? I admit, I don't follow that close to the Blackhawks to know their system entirely. I do know though, he's an inch taller than Mike Richards, but Richards has 20 lbs on him.
-Boston couldn't crash the net because Flyers kept pushing them out. And you're right, Montreal doesn't have those players to do that which is why they got ousted so easily.
-You seemed to forget the Devils though, whose entire system is based on either getting the puck to Kovalchuk so he can shoot, and getting in front of the net for a rebound. Well, they prevent Kovy from shooting, and kept the Devils players from doing anything in front of Boucher (and just to be clear Leighton > Boucher). Guarantee if Leighton plays the 1st series, it's a sweep against NJ.
-One thing you forget about Boston is that Chara, you know that yellow teethed mammoth, does go to the net when he can...guess what? He couldn't and when he did, he got owned there.
-Speaking of the defenders, you mentioned the Flyers average...you ever notice how the Flyers pair one small defender with one big defender? It provides balance very few teams can do. Carle is like a young Timmonen. So while the Flyers have size, they also have very skilled technical players back there too. Pretty cool about Carle though, he dominates against the boards...and I'm not sure how he does it. He just does.
-Whoopty do about San Jose series, those guys are worthless in the postseason. They really are.
-You're right about linemates being productive and such, and why a Blackhawks set line will have more production than the Flyers, because the Flyers don't have set lines. There's kind of a loose foundation, but the 1-3 gets mixed up quite a bit, and their points are more spread out. So I'll give you a quick stat to show this.
Blackhawks in the postseason - 145 points
Flyers in the postseason - 145 points
I'll give to Blackhawks, they've played 1 less game. Though the Flyers having played 1 more game, have GIVEN UP 14 points less.
-Agreed by most analysts? Where? In Chicago? How can the team that has given up more in less games? I won't discount Chicago's defense, but the two pairing of Pronger/Carle and Cobourn/Timmonen has been regarded for a while as the best 1 and 2 pairings in the NHL for a while. And I follow many sports sites (CBS, NBC, ESPN, SN, SI...and many minor affiliates), and that's been the almost consistant praise of the Flyers is the depth of the blueline.
-Neimi playing at a higher calibur? In what way? Save %? Shutouts? GAA? There is no stat that Neimi has that says higher calibur than Leighton. The Flyers goaltending (Boucher than Leighton) has been the hottest in the postseason. As I said, Boucher has almost equal stats than Neimi right now, and Leighton has better.
Seriously man, I'm not discounting the Blackhawks at all. Nobody is. There's a reason why they're in the SCF. It's the same reason why the Flyers are there too. Because these teams right now are the most complete teams in the NHL, and both are playing at very high levels. This series is a lot closer than people think, and the people in Chicago are so funny, because they're already crowning the Hawks. It's very disrespectful, but hey...if you're right, you're right. If you're wrong though, and pray that you aren't, you're going to look like fools (though you already do, so

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