Post: Stanley Cup Finals!
05-25-2010, 12:24 PM #1
(adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); The Final 2 teams are the Philadelphia Flyers vs The Chicago Blackhawks! Whats is your prediction for the series? Im a Flyers fan so im going Flyers all the way!! I predict the series to end 4-2. What is your prediction?
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Darksun
05-28-2010, 12:27 AM #20
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Originally posted by Jeff View Post
Well, Can you tell me when was the last time Niemi has had an off Night, In the Playoffs or Regular season, And Darksun before you point out goals, I said Off night, not off 10 minutes. It will be hard since he rarely has any.

Leighton has had many off nights during the regular season, that's why they barely made the playoffs, and only started their run to make the playoffs when Boucher started, at one time being 14th place in the East.
& How can you say Leighton has been more consistant? Okay he's had 3 shutouts in 7 games.. But he also had 1 slip up in those 7 games, letting in 5 goals on 23 Shots I think.. I could be wrong. Niemi hasn't had a bad game these playoffs.

Its easyer to count Leightons bad nights then to Count Niemis.

Don't get me wrong. I am NOT a Chicago fan. I hate Niemi because his 1st win was against Pittsburgh, my favourite team, and I hate Chicago because they are my fathers favourite team.
I like Phillidalphia more than Chicago, but the odds are with Chicago, and theres no denying that.


I'm not accusing you of being a Blackhawks fan, I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from and when you say these things.

About Leighton struggling in the regular season. He actually didn't play bad, during that time the offense struggled. He lost quite a few games during his stretch where he only gave up one or two goals. Boucher also struggled when he came in. He didn't get comfortable in net until around the finally 3 weeks of the season.

Niemi had 1 game in which he let up 5+ goals; Leighton had 2. Niemi had a game where he gave up 5 goals on 25 shots this postseason; Leighton gave up 5 goals on 38 shots.

I'm just saying the stats really don't prove one is more consistent and that neither of them have a history to make that statement. You are entitled to that opinion. I'm just not willing to say one of them is more consistent then the other thats all.
05-28-2010, 11:14 AM #21
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Originally posted by Hi
I'm not accusing you of being a Blackhawks fan, I'm just trying to figure out where you're coming from and when you say these things.

About Leighton struggling in the regular season. He actually didn't play bad, during that time the offense struggled. He lost quite a few games during his stretch where he only gave up one or two goals. Boucher also struggled when he came in. He didn't get comfortable in net until around the finally 3 weeks of the season.

Niemi had 1 game in which he let up 5+ goals; Leighton had 2. Niemi had a game where he gave up 5 goals on 25 shots this postseason; Leighton gave up 5 goals on 38 shots.

I'm just saying the stats really don't prove one is more consistent and that neither of them have a history to make that statement. You are entitled to that opinion. I'm just not willing to say one of them is more consistent then the other thats all.


Im getting the feeling you don't understand what I'm saying. Niemi is a ROOKIE, yes, But his consistancy through the regular season was pretty much solid. He would rarely have a bad game. Im not talking about year to year consistancy, Im talking about game to game.

Niemi hasnt been as shakey in the net this season as Leighton.

This isnt my opinion, Im taking this from TSN...Paid Analysts, so they have to have some sort of knowledge...Where as you 2, I'm thinking these are your opinions.
05-28-2010, 11:47 AM #22
PrayForPlagues
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Flyers have always been my favorite team. Although I do wish Montreal had beat them (Im canadian)
05-28-2010, 04:30 PM #23
Darksun
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Originally posted by Jeff View Post
Well, Can you tell me when was the last time Niemi has had an off Night, In the Playoffs or Regular season, And Darksun before you point out goals, I said Off night, not off 10 minutes. It will be hard since he rarely has any.

Leighton has had many off nights during the regular season, that's why they barely made the playoffs, and only started their run to make the playoffs when Boucher started, at one time being 14th place in the East.
& How can you say Leighton has been more consistant? Okay he's had 3 shutouts in 7 games.. But he also had 1 slip up in those 7 games, letting in 5 goals on 23 Shots I think.. I could be wrong. Niemi hasn't had a bad game these playoffs.

Its easyer to count Leightons bad nights then to Count Niemis.

Don't get me wrong. I am NOT a Chicago fan. I hate Niemi because his 1st win was against Pittsburgh, my favourite team, and I hate Chicago because they are my fathers favourite team.
I like Phillidalphia more than Chicago, but the odds are with Chicago, and theres no denying that.


1.) An off night is different than a night where you can't play because of injury. It's not like you're actually resting to recharge batteries, you're resting to help your body heal. When you play sports, coming back from injury, you're not refreshed like were if you were just taking a night off. Leighton had maybe 1 game off after he was named the starter when Boucher went down (because if you remember...Emery, Boucher, Leighton...then 4 other guys after Leighton got hurt, and Boucher came back and had nights off because he sucked so Backlund and and 3 others got some games in).

2.) Besides the 3 shutouts, he has the best Save%, probably one of the best statistics for a goalie, period. The best goalies have really high save%'s (hence, Dominic Hasek...the most dominating goalie of probably the past 40 years, maybe even more...is the alltime leader). You also should couple that with shots against per game. Now yes, the one game Leighton faced only 17 (and I credit that shutout to Pronger, the D, and the forwards playing great defensive hockey), but take out that game and the shots against is really really close, and Leighton's save% and GAA is considerably lower. That's called MORE CONSISTANT.

Granted, Neimi had a couple games where he faced 40+ shots.

So when it comes to the shots, you have to really on your defense and your forwards in eliminating passing and shooting lanes, as well as blocking shots. And the Flyers have done a GREAT job at doing that.

So you combine the more consistant play of Leighton and the defensive play of the 5 skaters....well, do the math bud. It just shows how complete the team is.

Yes, it's easier to count Leighton's bad nights than Neimi's, because there was ONE. If you couldn't count that, we need to send you back to Kindergarten.

And Neimi has had a bad game in these playoffs. 5 goals in 20 shots. May 1st.

3.) So each goalie has had a bad game (that's how these teams get to the SCF, duh!). You're a Pittsburgh fan, you should know this more than anybody. Look no further than MAF. He had how many bad games in the playoffs last year? One maybe? And look what they got. A Cup. Same thing the year before, but lost (not rubbing it in for obvious reasons).


4.) I never disagreed with the odds that Chicago was favorited. It's right there in Vegas. And they are *heavy* favorites, to the bookmakers. I'm strictly talking about the matchups though, and still agree, the Blackhawks are "favorites". How much of a favorite? Well, let's just say it's about the difference between two top F1 racecars, and one finishes in 1 hour 3 minutes and 52 seconds and the other finishes in 1 hour 3 minutes and 49 seconds. And yet, their setups are different because one was set for the straigtaways, the other to handle the turns. (that's the best analogy I can come up with, it's been a long day)

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Originally posted by Jeff View Post
This isnt my opinion, Im taking this from TSN...Paid Analysts, so they have to have some sort of knowledge...Where as you 2, I'm thinking these are your opinions.


Well, I'm not paid for my contributions for my writings to sports sites because I volunteer.


Paid analysts are paid to create an analysis, and twist it to create controversy and raise ratings, either for a broadcast, magazine, or a website.

This weekend, have a :beer:, chill to some good :note:, maybe grab your woman (or man...I don't judge or imply) to make some :love: and enjoy the finals in between all that. It's going to be a great series, and a very close one.
05-28-2010, 10:44 PM #24
MintEdition
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Originally posted by Jeff View Post
Im getting the feeling you don't understand what I'm saying. Niemi is a ROOKIE, yes, But his consistancy through the regular season was pretty much solid. He would rarely have a bad game. Im not talking about year to year consistancy, Im talking about game to game.

Niemi hasnt been as shakey in the net this season as Leighton.

This isnt my opinion, Im taking this from TSN...Paid Analysts, so they have to have some sort of knowledge...Where as you 2, I'm thinking these are your opinions.


It is my opinion, however, I'm not just throwing what I'm saying out there with no justification. I provided stats to back what I was saying. You said Niemi hasn't had a bad game in the playoffs and that Leighton has given up 5 goals. Where as, Niemi has given up 5 goals against the Canucks on less shots then when Leighton gave up his 5 against the Habs.

Oh, and to your last comment, you are aware what they are saying is their opinion right? Just because they are paid makes their opinion no more right than mine.
05-28-2010, 11:27 PM #25
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Originally posted by Darksun View Post
1.) An off night is different than a night where you can't play because of injury. It's not like you're actually resting to recharge batteries, you're resting to help your body heal. When you play sports, coming back from injury, you're not refreshed like were if you were just taking a night off. Leighton had maybe 1 game off after he was named the starter when Boucher went down (because if you remember...Emery, Boucher, Leighton...then 4 other guys after Leighton got hurt, and Boucher came back and had nights off because he sucked so Backlund and and 3 others got some games in).

2.) Besides the 3 shutouts, he has the best Save%, probably one of the best statistics for a goalie, period. The best goalies have really high save%'s (hence, Dominic Hasek...the most dominating goalie of probably the past 40 years, maybe even more...is the alltime leader). You also should couple that with shots against per game. Now yes, the one game Leighton faced only 17 (and I credit that shutout to Pronger, the D, and the forwards playing great defensive hockey), but take out that game and the shots against is really really close, and Leighton's save% and GAA is considerably lower. That's called MORE CONSISTANT.Granted, Neimi had a couple games where he faced 40+ shots.

So when it comes to the shots, you have to really on your defense and your forwards in eliminating passing and shooting lanes, as well as blocking shots. And the Flyers have done a GREAT job at doing that.

So you combine the more consistant play of Leighton and the defensive play of the 5 skaters....well, do the math bud. It just shows how complete the team is.

Yes, it's easier to count Leighton's bad nights than Neimi's, because there was ONE. If you couldn't count that, we need to send you back to Kindergarten.

And Neimi has had a bad game in these playoffs. 5 goals in 20 shots. May 1st.

3.) So each goalie has had a bad game (that's how these teams get to the SCF, duh!). You're a Pittsburgh fan, you should know this more than anybody. Look no further than MAF. He had how many bad games in the playoffs last year? One maybe? And look what they got. A Cup. Same thing the year before, but lost (not rubbing it in for obvious reasons).


4.) I never disagreed with the odds that Chicago was favorited. It's right there in Vegas. And they are *heavy* favorites, to the bookmakers. I'm strictly talking about the matchups though, and still agree, the Blackhawks are "favorites". How much of a favorite? Well, let's just say it's about the difference between two top F1 racecars, and one finishes in 1 hour 3 minutes and 52 seconds and the other finishes in 1 hour 3 minutes and 49 seconds. And yet, their setups are different because one was set for the straigtaways, the other to handle the turns. (that's the best analogy I can come up with, it's been a long day)

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Well, I'm not paid for my contributions for my writings to sports sites because I volunteer.


Paid analysts are paid to create an analysis, and twist it to create controversy and raise ratings, either for a broadcast, magazine, or a website.

This weekend, have a :beer:, chill to some good :note:, maybe grab your woman (or man...I don't judge or imply) to make some :love: and enjoy the finals in between all that. It's going to be a great series, and a very close one.


Bold makes your comment Invalid.
If the defence and offence are elminating shots, which I've been saying since the start of this arguement, then he hasn't been tested. Niemi has defence that are more offencive then defence, and shots don't get blocked as much. Niemi has actually been tested in my opinion. The only game Leighton has impressed me was the game after Boucher got injured. Consistancy has nothing to do with what stats you have, but how often you have them...

Also, this is from TSN Analyst Bob MacKenzie. Not exact words.
Originally posted by another user
"The Blackhawks defence will be the main factor in winning the series. I find the Blackhawk defence 5 deep, where as Phillidalphia has 1 or 2 lines that have excelled this post season"


and Hi micheal
Originally posted by another user
Where as, Niemi has given up 5 goals against the Preds on less shots then when Leighton gave up his 5 against the Habs.

The only game Niemi had 5 goals against, was Game 1 vs the CANUCKS. A Canucks squad revved up, coming off a 2 game win streak vs A great L.A Squad.
Leightons bad game came after Phillidalphia had a 2 game win streak, vs Montreal
Theres a BIG difference.
05-29-2010, 12:32 AM #26
MintEdition
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Originally posted by Jeff View Post

The only game Niemi had 5 goals against, was Game 1 vs the CANUCKS. A Canucks squad revved up, coming off a 2 game win streak vs A great L.A Squad.
Leightons bad game came after Phillidalphia had a 2 game win streak, vs Montreal
Theres a BIG difference.


Yeah it was against the Canucks, I looked before I typed and seen it was the Canucks, I typed the Preds for some reason. You can put whatever type of spin on it that you want, the fact remains the same.
05-29-2010, 10:56 AM #27
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Originally posted by Hi
Yeah it was against the Canucks, I looked before I typed and seen it was the Canucks, I typed the Preds for some reason. You can put whatever type of spin on it that you want, the fact remains the same.


Also, yes they've both had 1 bad game.
But Niemi has had double amount of games.
05-29-2010, 11:00 AM #28
MintEdition
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Originally posted by Jeff View Post
Also, yes they've both had 1 bad game.
But Niemi has had double amount of games.


Something we can both agree on. One thing Niemi does better then Leighton, actually getting on the ice.

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