Originally posted by Darksun
Well, you didn't provide much (actually none) to your statements, so I thought this would be justified.
Bigger?
Ok, let's look at bigger. Who is bigger than Pronger or Cobourn? No one is as tall as Pronger, but Byfugllen (or whatever) has about 20 lbs on him, but Pronger is smaller than Chara and handles him because Pronger is pretty much all muscle. After that, nobody comes close to Pronger on the Hawks. Cobourn? Byfugllen or whatever again, but after that? Nobody. Mike Richards is the same weight as Toews, Toews has an inch on him. Wanna compare small wingers? JVR, Giroux, Briere....take your pick, bigger than Kane (and with the speed department, all could keep up with Kane...JVR isn't as agile though)
So speed and size? You would really have to look at each player objectively and compare...but the two biggest players on the Flyers have the height on the biggest person on the Blackhawks, he just has the weight. I'll take the two guys who do more for their team's offense, and they're defenseman...over a 3/4 line winger. Any day.
Better goaltender?
This is Neimi's first year as a starter. This is Leighton's first year with a good team. They have similar statistics with their teams (Leighton's YEAR averages are higher due to being with the crappy Hurricanes and their defense...which really is no defense at). This postseason though, Leighton has the best averages. In fact, combine Leighton with, who is better than, Boucher and you STILL have the best goaltending in the playoffs. Leighton has 3 shutouts, and part of a combined shutout....in 7.5 games.
Speaking of goaltending....
Before the Flyers got to them, Halak and Rask were the best goalies in the playoffs (well, Boucher was statistically the best in the 1st round...but it's Boucher, lets not kid ourselves here). Flyers beat the best goalies against teams with really good defenses. Now afterwards? After being lit up by the Flyers, Rask is #4ish, Halak still has better numbers than Neimi, and he faced the Penguins and Capitals.
So you want to look at speed? I would think Kane is probably the fastest player on the ice in the finals (though he didn't look at that quick during the Olympics...) Anyways...Carter, Briere, Ricahrds, JVR, Giroux....all of them could keep up with Kane. And Cobourn? One of the fastest defensemen in the NHL. And Pronger? He SEEMS slow, but he's actually rather quick....he just conserves and conserves energy during the game and bursts when he needs to. That's why he played close to 30 minutes a game in the regular season, and averaged 30 minutes a game during the postseason. He locks down on the opposing team's best player, and pretty much eliminates them from the game. Example? ---> Kovalchuk, one of the best players in the game, essentially removed from the Flyers-Devils series. Cammalari who has the most goals in the postseason?----> got ONE goal in the first 3 games during the ECF.
Speed? Flyers got it. So do the Blackhawks. Again, I said Blackhawks might have a slight edge, and with Kane, I honestly believe that's the edge. Then again, "speed" has been beaten 3 series in a row now in the Eastern Conference playoffs.
Better defense? Sorry, the record of the Flyers in the playoffs and the defensemen they have speak for themselves. If you can't see that, well, I feel sorry for you losing your eyesight.
Next time you call someone a fanboy, why don't you bring up the facts first before you get shut down.
LETS GO FLYERS
Lol dude, if you had anymore fanboyisum, I would actually slap you. You exagerrate every thing the Flyers do, and completly ignored everything I pointed out...
1. Noone will move Byfuglen. Pronger looks like a kid compared to him. Coburn is smaller than Pronger. Pronger may be the biggest in Height, but that doesnt even matter. I wouldn't even say hes 75% muscle, and if he is, he hasn't used it all Playoffs.
Flyers defence has an avrage height of 6'2. Chicagos avrage height is is 6'1...
Flyers defence avrage weight is 203.62 Chicagos avrage weight is 200.25,
So yeah, a lot of People come close to Flyers defence.
And Small wingers, you compare 1 player from Chicago to 3 from Phillidalphia?
Versteeg, Bigger than Briere
Bolland, Bigger than Giroux,
and JVR isnt even small... Hes 6'3, 200lbs...
2. Goaltending... Boston, who do they have that goes infront of the net? Milan Lucic and David Krejic? Krecjic got hurt the game Leighton came in, So Boston relied on point shots and breakaways. Ill give it to Leighton he was steller on Breakaways, but there were few. He wasnt tested that series... Montreal, Noone on that team crashs the net + There offence had nothing compared to Flyers defence, who were physically dominate in size compared to a young, small Montreal team, making it impossible to get infront of the net. Not tested there, except in game 3, & What happened there? 5 Goals...
Who has Chicago faced? Nashville, a grudgy, rough team whose only real goals came from Net crashs and bad bounces. Niemi put them away in 6. San Jose, Joe Pavelski lives infront of the net. Marleau only scores on 1 timers... Niemi swept them...
Point is, Niemi has actually been tested. Leighton hasnt...
Also, a Fatigue factor has to be put in. Niemi has played twice as many games as Leighton. Still playing at the same, if not higher Caliber then him...
As for Pronger shutting down the best offences. Kovalchuk, whose on his line? Elias and Zubrus, both are past their primes, and are avrage. Cammalari, Gomez and Gionta, both extremely small.
Kane, Towes and Byfuglien, Towes has the most points this post season, and Byfuglien had 3 Game winning goals vs San Jose.... and is the biggest player on the ice. Point, Your line mates matter of how much your produce, and Towes/Byfuglien/Kane have been the most productive line, Lighting up 3 great goalies of Pekka Rinne (Calder Nominee last year) Roberto Luongo (Olympic Gold medalist) and Evgeni Nabakov (Team Russia starting goalie)
and Yes, Chicago has better defence.
Brent Seabrook - Duncan Keith.
What can I say? Best pair hands down. Agreed by most analyists. Keith = Great Offencive defence, with great speed and hands, and a great slapshot (Ask Sami Salo LOL!) where Seabrook = Great Stay-At-Home defence with a great hitting body.
Whose a better pair on Philly? Turnover McTurnover, I mean Coburn and Pronger?
LOLOLOLOL Get serious bro..