Post: Chrissy Pronger
06-11-2010, 07:12 PM #1
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Chicago Tribune would like you to meet 'Chrissy Pronger'
By Sean Leahy
Before Game 5, Philadelphia Flyers defenseman Chris Pronger(notes) was a thorn in the side of the Chicago Blackhawks. Whether it was helping to shut down Chicago's top line or diverting attention away from his struggling team by stealing pucks at the end of each game, Pronger has been the most-talked about subject in this Stanley Cup Finals.

With the Blackhawks a win away from winning their first Cup since 1961 and Pronger coming off his worst game of the series with a minus-5, the Chicago Tribune decided to bask in the glory of the worst game of his career with a special pullout poster in Tuesday morning's edition.

Meet Chrissy Pronger:

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Looks like Tarzan skates like Jane"

"-4 Plus/Minus in 3 Hawks wins"

"-5 Plus/Minus in Game 5"

"100% chance we'll change our minds if Hawks sign him"

It's a shame the Trib couldn't have released this before Game 5. It would have been fun to see Michael Jordan waive one of these posters from the luxury suite he was in, and count the number of NBC shots of Vince Vaughn and Jeremy Piven plastering one of these against the glass every time Pronger entered the zone.

No word if the Philadelphia Daily News or Inquirer are currently printing up "Patricia Kane" or "Dorothy Byfuglien" posters to be handed out before Game 6 at Wachovia Center.

Pronger was asked about the poster during media availability on Tuesday. His response? "I don't read what you guys write. Good or bad."



LOL And heres Adam Burish calling Pronger out on this topic. Burish, if you watched the Series, missed 3 games, and had 0 points.

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I love the part on the Poster of the "100% Chance we'll change our minds if we sign him."

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06-12-2010, 02:46 PM #11
Darksun
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Originally posted by Jeff View Post
Keith is a shutdown defence - Pronger Pinches = Arguement Invalid
Hawks have 5 defencing rolled - Philly has 4 who play half, of course Pronger will be on for more goals - Argument Invalid
Neutrilized other Star Players? Marleau, Thronton, TOP POINTER Sedins, Burrows, SullivaN. Those arn't stars? = Arguement Invalid.

Pronger may have shut down Towes/Kane, but he Struggled Vigoursly with Bolland, Sharp, Versteeg.
I would say the only player he actually shut down in that series completley was Byfugleon, and thats only because he constantly played dirty with crosschecks, That werent called.

Kovalchuck had what? 10 goals in 20 games with New Jersey? He isnt much of a scorer with them. = Arguement Invalid.
Mike Cammalari, yeah he shut him down, but look at the size diffrence.
1 Stat your forgetting is PIM, Where Pronger also led Keith, as well as the entire Playoff league.
The Bold actually made me laugh. Briere/Giroux/Hartnell were nowhere near the best, or they would have won the cup. The only way they could score was standing in the crease ( Against the rules ) and block Niemi from going anywhere in there. That to wasnt called.

Now Keith, for one, is a Soldier. Lost 4 teeth, still played that game, (Pronger took a stick tapping him on the face and fell like a bitch) Keith out skated Mike Richards to many pucks. Shutdown the Thorton/Marleau/Heatley line (Top scoring line in the Season).
Keith Shut down the Sedin/Sedin/Burrows line (Amazing Skill with top point getter on it), And still went +2, with 17 Points, 1 point behind Pronger....

So yeah, Im pretty sure Keith Played much better...


If you think Pronger just pinches, than you're out of your mind. I don't even have to go into this one to know that your argument is....Invalid.


Argument invalid - Bolland, Versteed, and Sharp were mostly played against the 2nd pairing of Cobourn and Timmonen. While he did see Bolland and Versteeg, they were put against the 2nd pairing more, and Carle was responsible for Sharp more than Pronger was.

Argument Invalid - Sorry about the "crosschecks" against Byfuglien, who could have been called for roughing or charging most of the time as well as crosschecking. It's called physical positioning in front of the net, and Byfuglien was just as guilty as Pronger. It takes two to tango my friend...

Kovalchuck still had 40+ goals this year. Regardless of who he played with, 10 goals in 20 games...that averages to about 40 goals a season. That's a pretty typical average for a goal scorer of Kovalchuck...sorry, your argument (a weak one at best) is...Invalid.

Pronger was tied in PIM with someone from Detroit, who played a lot less games. Bolland had 30 in fewer games than Pronger. What's your point? It's Invalid. Like it really mattered Pronger was in the box, because the PK of the Flyers is just so damn good. What were the Blackhawks for PP on the Flyers in 6 games? 3 for 20? Very weak. Oh...and Invalid.


Actually, there are no rules anymore about standing in the crease. Want proof? Go check out some of the goals by Byfuglien, or last year Crosby doing is best baseball slide impression....which btw, did interfere with Biron...but hey, the poster childs get favortism, so whatcha gonna do....the point is, you can stand and score in the crease. However the goalie can push you out and you can't push back. Also, you can't hit the goalie, but there is no rule saying you can't score from there anymore. And sorry, but Briere, who had 12 goals in the playoffs, doesn't score from the crease. Giroux doesn't score from the crease. Hartnell does, but as the power forward of the group, that's his job. He had a spectacular playoff run after game 4 of the 2nd round. Your argument? Invalid.

And yes, they were the best line. Again, the Blackhawks had more than just 1 line though that could, and did score....like the Flyers though, the top line was shutdown, and the Blackhawks top line was healthy, while the Flyers top line was not...making it a bit easier for guess who? Keith. Your argument....Invalid.



This is why I rarely talk sports on a gaming site. Because the people here, know jack about them.
06-12-2010, 04:58 PM #12
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Originally posted by Darksun View Post
If you think Pronger just pinches, than you're out of your mind. I don't even have to go into this one to know that your argument is....Invalid.


Argument invalid - Bolland, Versteed, and Sharp were mostly played against the 2nd pairing of Cobourn and Timmonen. While he did see Bolland and Versteeg, they were put against the 2nd pairing more, and Carle was responsible for Sharp more than Pronger was.

Argument Invalid - Sorry about the "crosschecks" against Byfuglien, who could have been called for roughing or charging most of the time as well as crosschecking. It's called physical positioning in front of the net, and Byfuglien was just as guilty as Pronger. It takes two to tango my friend...

Kovalchuck still had 40+ goals this year. Regardless of who he played with, 10 goals in 20 games...that averages to about 40 goals a season. That's a pretty typical average for a goal scorer of Kovalchuck...sorry, your argument (a weak one at best) is...Invalid.

Pronger was tied in PIM with someone from Detroit, who played a lot less games. Bolland had 30 in fewer games than Pronger. What's your point? It's Invalid. Like it really mattered Pronger was in the box, because the PK of the Flyers is just so damn good. What were the Blackhawks for PP on the Flyers in 6 games? 3 for 20? Very weak. Oh...and Invalid.


Actually, there are no rules anymore about standing in the crease. Want proof? Go check out some of the goals by Byfuglien, or last year Crosby doing is best baseball slide impression....which btw, did interfere with Biron...but hey, the poster childs get favortism, so whatcha gonna do....the point is, you can stand and score in the crease. However the goalie can push you out and you can't push back. Also, you can't hit the goalie, but there is no rule saying you can't score from there anymore. And sorry, but Briere, who had 12 goals in the playoffs, doesn't score from the crease. Giroux doesn't score from the crease. Hartnell does, but as the power forward of the group, that's his job. He had a spectacular playoff run after game 4 of the 2nd round. Your argument? Invalid.

And yes, they were the best line. Again, the Blackhawks had more than just 1 line though that could, and did score....like the Flyers though, the top line was shutdown, and the Blackhawks top line was healthy, while the Flyers top line was not...making it a bit easier for guess who? Keith. Your argument....Invalid.



This is why I rarely talk sports on a gaming site. Because the people here, know jack about them.


You know Jack about it bro. Im sorry to say.

I ref in hockey. 3 Cross checks to the back = Minor penelty, no matter if the feet are moving. Byfugleon would stand infront of the net, while Pronger shoves his stick into his spine. No calls. Your arguement = Invalid
Im pretty sure if a player wins the scoring title in his career with 1 team, then scores only 10 in 20, Im pretty sure he's cooled off. Your arguement = Invalid.
No you can't stand your feet in the crease and block the goalie from making the save...Thats goalie Interferance buddy. I would say 90% of Hartnells goals should have been called back for that reason. And Byfugleon doesnt stand in the crease, he stands on the outside, but with his long reach he can put his stick in, not his feet. Crosby doesnt stand in the crease, if you're skating at the goalie trying to dangle him, or in Crosbys case, on the ground sliding, and you hit the goalie, thats not interfering him from the puck, he had a chance to stop it. If your standing in the crease, blocking the goalie from getting across the crease as the shots taken, thats goalie interferance... Learn the rules dummy. And Giroux/Briere/Hartnell didnt have the most points this Playoffs, Kane/Towes/Byfugleon did, and Briere's line played just as well in the SCF as Kane's except Quennville is a much better coach, and noticed how bad they were doing. Giroux's line played against the Campbell/Hjalmirson defence, not the Keith/Seabrooke, making it easyier as you would say.
And fatigue isnt much of a factor... Flyers played 1 more game than Chicago... & 3 of their players, 1 main guy on the team, came back the series before, Named Jeff Carter, who in turn played against Keith in the series, and How many goals did he score? 1 I think, an Open net goal...
And How bout your Captain eh? How many goals he score? 1 On a Powerplay, when Keith wasnt on.

Keith shut down Richards and Carter like he was supposed to, holding them to 1 goal each, neither when he was on. Byfugleon had 4 goals. Kane had 3....

Im pretty sure Keith did better with his assignment then Pronger


Your just a fanboy. Thats why I hate Phillidalphia fans in any sports, biggest fanboys...
06-13-2010, 01:30 AM #13
Darksun
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Originally posted by Jeff View Post
You know Jack about it bro. Im sorry to say.

I ref in hockey. 3 Cross checks to the back = Minor penelty, no matter if the feet are moving. Byfugleon would stand infront of the net, while Pronger shoves his stick into his spine. No calls. Your arguement = Invalid
Im pretty sure if a player wins the scoring title in his career with 1 team, then scores only 10 in 20, Im pretty sure he's cooled off. Your arguement = Invalid.
No you can't stand your feet in the crease and block the goalie from making the save...Thats goalie Interferance buddy. I would say 90% of Hartnells goals should have been called back for that reason. And Byfugleon doesnt stand in the crease, he stands on the outside, but with his long reach he can put his stick in, not his feet. Crosby doesnt stand in the crease, if you're skating at the goalie trying to dangle him, or in Crosbys case, on the ground sliding, and you hit the goalie, thats not interfering him from the puck, he had a chance to stop it. If your standing in the crease, blocking the goalie from getting across the crease as the shots taken, thats goalie interferance... Learn the rules dummy. And Giroux/Briere/Hartnell didnt have the most points this Playoffs, Kane/Towes/Byfugleon did, and Briere's line played just as well in the SCF as Kane's except Quennville is a much better coach, and noticed how bad they were doing. Giroux's line played against the Campbell/Hjalmirson defence, not the Keith/Seabrooke, making it easyier as you would say.
And fatigue isnt much of a factor... Flyers played 1 more game than Chicago... & 3 of their players, 1 main guy on the team, came back the series before, Named Jeff Carter, who in turn played against Keith in the series, and How many goals did he score? 1 I think, an Open net goal...
And How bout your Captain eh? How many goals he score? 1 On a Powerplay, when Keith wasnt on.

Keith shut down Richards and Carter like he was supposed to, holding them to 1 goal each, neither when he was on. Byfugleon had 4 goals. Kane had 3....

Im pretty sure Keith did better with his assignment then Pronger


Your just a fanboy. Thats why I hate Phillidalphia fans in any sports, biggest fanboys...



You can put your hands on a player and push, and that's still being physical. Sorry, but it happens all the time in hockey. Unless it's a blatant shove to the back with the shaft of the stick, you're not going to get the call in the NHL. Your argument...not matter how much you ref, is Invalid. Refs in the NHL are a BIT smarter than you about it.

He won the goal scoring title with 41 goals in 81 games. He scored 41 goals in 76 games this season. Sorry, your argument - Invalid.

You can move through the crease and knock pucks in, especially rebounds. You can stand in the crease and knock deflections. So long as you're not touching the goalie, it's not interference. And NHL Refs will differentiate an interference penalty, and when you're knocked into the goalie, which Hartnell frequently was knocked into him...AFTER the goal crossed the line. Sorry, your argument again... Invalid.

And speaking of which, Hartnell stands just on the outside as well, and like Byfuglien, if he has to, position himself inside the crease to knock a loose puck in. In fact, any player in that position will do that. So long as you don't interfere before that goal crosses, you're good. And being knocked into the goalie by another player, though they have to be on the goalie's team, will not constitute as interference. Sort of like that BS call against...I forget, some blackhawk player was ridden into Leighton by I think Timmonen. That was a bad call.


And not really with Crosby's case. In that case, Crosby was sliding through the crease before he touched the puck, and had touched the goalie first. By textbook definition, since no Flyer touched him on the way in to make him slide (it was actually a collision with a Penguin), it should have been goalie interference.

I didn't say in the playoffs, dummy. I said in the SCF. And Briere, had the most points in the playoffs. That's all I said.

Carter was coming off two broken feet...not one, but two, and wasn't completely healed. He was the better option though than the next player on the list...either Daniel Carcillo or Andreas Nodl. Carter with two broken feet is better than both those guys. Not an excuse, but it is the reason why he didn't play well. Try having Kane or Toews play after coming back from two broken feet, that weren't completely healed...see how well they do.

And Richards, look who he was put on the line with. I prayed Laviolette would change that, but there wasn't any other real options since the Briere/Hartnell/Giroux line was playing so great (and the best in the SCF).

I'm a fanboy...yeh, ok. Use some more lame internet fad names, see if I care (I don't). You're the worst type of fan. Someone who refs some other league that no one cares about, and thinks they know everything.

Oh, and before I was a Flyers fan...I was a Blackhawks fan. So eat it. I follow a tradition in my family that was passed on since my great-grandfather. You root for the hometeam. So you want to call out the rest of the fanbase, go ahead....though most of them are smarter than you. I can at least say that with an unbiased opinion because I've been part of several, and yes...Flyers fans are one of the most intelligent fanbases I've encountered.
06-13-2010, 01:39 AM #14
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Originally posted by Darksun View Post
You can put your hands on a player and push, and that's still being physical. Sorry, but it happens all the time in hockey. Unless it's a blatant shove to the back with the shaft of the stick, you're not going to get the call in the NHL. Your argument...not matter how much you ref, is Invalid. Refs in the NHL are a BIT smarter than you about it.

He won the goal scoring title with 41 goals in 81 games. He scored 41 goals in 76 games this season. Sorry, your argument - Invalid.

You can move through the crease and knock pucks in, especially rebounds. You can stand in the crease and knock deflections. So long as you're not touching the goalie, it's not interference. And NHL Refs will differentiate an interference penalty, and when you're knocked into the goalie, which Hartnell frequently was knocked into him...AFTER the goal crossed the line. Sorry, your argument again... Invalid.

And speaking of which, Hartnell stands just on the outside as well, and like Byfuglien, if he has to, position himself inside the crease to knock a loose puck in. In fact, any player in that position will do that. So long as you don't interfere before that goal crosses, you're good. And being knocked into the goalie by another player, though they have to be on the goalie's team, will not constitute as interference. Sort of like that BS call against...I forget, some blackhawk player was ridden into Leighton by I think Timmonen. That was a bad call.


And not really with Crosby's case. In that case, Crosby was sliding through the crease before he touched the puck, and had touched the goalie first. By textbook definition, since no Flyer touched him on the way in to make him slide (it was actually a collision with a Penguin), it should have been goalie interference.

I didn't say in the playoffs, dummy. I said in the SCF. And Briere, had the most points in the playoffs. That's all I said.

Carter was coming off two broken feet...not one, but two, and wasn't completely healed. He was the better option though than the next player on the list...either Daniel Carcillo or Andreas Nodl. Carter with two broken feet is better than both those guys. Not an excuse, but it is the reason why he didn't play well. Try having Kane or Toews play after coming back from two broken feet, that weren't completely healed...see how well they do.

And Richards, look who he was put on the line with. I prayed Laviolette would change that, but there wasn't any other real options since the Briere/Hartnell/Giroux line was playing so great (and the best in the SCF).

I'm a fanboy...yeh, ok. Use some more lame internet fad names, see if I care (I don't). You're the worst type of fan. Someone who refs some other league that no one cares about, and thinks they know everything.

Oh, and before I was a Flyers fan...I was a Blackhawks fan. So eat it. I follow a tradition in my family that was passed on since my great-grandfather. You root for the hometeam. So you want to call out the rest of the fanbase, go ahead....though most of them are smarter than you. I can at least say that with an unbiased opinion because I've been part of several, and yes...Flyers fans are one of the most intelligent fanbases I've encountered.


Are you serious....
You listen to no one other than Darksun...
You dont even read what I write, you take it so litteral, and stats are all you know.

You actually one of the worst sports analyts out there, I really hope you never get paid for your opinions, because not one thing you say, can go 2 ways. Everything you say is your own opinion, not fact, and you think you know so much brother. Im sorry to be the messenger but you actually know next to nothing about hockey if you think you're right on this.
06-13-2010, 02:57 AM #15
The guy is a complete idiot.
06-14-2010, 04:23 AM #16
Darksun
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Originally posted by Jeff View Post
Are you serious....
You listen to no one other than Darksun...
You dont even read what I write, you take it so litteral, and stats are all you know.

You actually one of the worst sports analyts out there, I really hope you never get paid for your opinions, because not one thing you say, can go 2 ways. Everything you say is your own opinion, not fact, and you think you know so much brother. Im sorry to be the messenger but you actually know next to nothing about hockey if you think you're right on this.


Whatever helps you sleep at night sweetheart. I responded to you in kind, but if that's what you wanna say, then you're entitled to do so.

Sleep well baby.

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