Post: Can there be morality without a god
11-30-2010, 01:58 AM #1
Cobra-D
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12-01-2010, 02:32 AM #2
Humans are intelligent creatures, we don't need some imaginary higher power to give us our morals.
Each person has unique morals, God didn't give them to everyone. I believe that the first humans on Earth had little to no morals at all, wouldn't God have given them morals, they are still humans correct?
12-01-2010, 06:59 PM #3
dapreacher23
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Who is to say these humans even knew what was right and what was wrong without someone who is perfect telling them these things. How can humans learn through "culture" without knowing what is right and what is wrong?
12-01-2010, 07:09 PM #4
G-Hutch
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Morality is a concept we have invented. You don't need some scriptures, books or another person to tell you what is moral and what isn't. That is a judgement that you yourself have to define. Religion is an attempt to create a perfect society, which has crumbled. Instead of doing so it has caused horrific death toll due to religious wars and hatred. In reality, you decide what is moral or not. To be honest, a perfect society would be quite boring though.

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12-01-2010, 07:11 PM #5
dapreacher23
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So in an evolution standpoint they believe we have no purpose so who is to say Hitler killing jews is wrong? How would we know killing someone is wrong if we all want to be apart of survival of the fittest?
12-01-2010, 08:00 PM #6
G-Hutch
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Originally posted by dapreacher23 View Post
So in an evolution standpoint they believe we have no purpose so who is to say Hitler killing jews is wrong? How would we know killing someone is wrong if we all want to be apart of survival of the fittest?


Seriously dude, have you taken the evolution argument into this thread? I posted my viewpoint, stayed clear of yours and left, this isn't debating its just attacking me and my viewpoint
12-01-2010, 08:27 PM #7
Originally posted by dapreacher23 View Post
So in an evolution standpoint they believe we have no purpose so who is to say Hitler killing jews is wrong? How would we know killing someone is wrong if we all want to be apart of survival of the fittest?

To start, neither God or any other imaginary deity implanted morals into human beings. Humans created morality.

Who is to say Hitler killing Jews was wrong? The entire damn world. We don't need some higher power to tell us that taking another humans life is wrong, we can sure as hell figure that out by ourselves.

"Survival of the fittest"? Where do you live? That phrase is so obsolete and useless nowadays, most humans aren't out to get each other so they can be the 'fittest'.

Take your head out of Bible Land and maybe you can see the truth in some things.
12-02-2010, 10:03 PM #8
dapreacher23
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Are you kidding me for people just to learn whether or not killing is wrong or stealing or cheating on your wife that just came out of thin air.

Let me give you some incite if we are cousins of primates they believe its okay that another male can go to another family and kill the kids and have sex with the wife. Then walk away like nothing happened. Um theres killing and cheating right there but just because we have a tiny bit of variation now its ok for us to say what is right or wrong.

Do some research and take your head out of atheism land bro

Originally posted by iPython View Post
To start, neither God or any other imaginary deity implanted morals into human beings. Humans created morality.

Who is to say Hitler killing Jews was wrong? The entire damn world. We don't need some higher power to tell us that taking another humans life is wrong, we can sure as hell figure that out by ourselves.

"Survival of the fittest"? Where do you live? That phrase is so obsolete and useless nowadays, most humans aren't out to get each other so they can be the 'fittest'.

Take your head out of Bible Land and maybe you can see the truth in some things.
12-02-2010, 10:52 PM #9
Cobra-D
Smells Like Teen Spirit
Originally posted by dapreacher23 View Post
Are you kidding me for people just to learn whether or not killing is wrong or stealing or cheating on your wife that just came out of thin air.

Let me give you some incite if we are cousins of primates they believe its okay that another male can go to another family and kill the kids and have sex with the wife. Then walk away like nothing happened. Um theres killing and cheating right there but just because we have a tiny bit of variation now its ok for us to say what is right or wrong.

Do some research and take your head out of atheism land bro


First off this is way better then the usual debates that happen here. Okay lets get down to business.....

that tiny little variation you mention happens to be a bigger brain then that of our chimp relatives. Second, I'm pretty sure as a species we've done the exact same thing to our own kind back in the primitive age, as well as throughout history, and that's with religion. Not to mention is god really moral himself for letting this shit happen,he has the power to stop it all but instead he just lets it go are on happening, its like giving a kid a knife and watching him stab his brother and friends while you just do nothing and watch. great morality there
12-03-2010, 02:07 AM #10
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